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As I've predicted for a very long time, the Loyalist (hard-line Unionists from Protestant areas) community have not responded well to "the Border in the Irish Sea".
Graffiti in Loyalist areas stating that Port workers are now targets.
This leaves us with either an unworkable agreement, or the threat of the resumption of acts of terrorism.
A gentle reminder, too, that the DUP (the Loyalist party) campaigned for Brexit. And propped up May's Government rather than work cross-party for a sensible solution.
I'm interested in Paz's solution to this problem.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 14:58 - Feb 2 with 889 views
Tories are already blaming this on the EU, for their unreasonable requirement to protect their own border and interests. It is apparently all the EU's fault for requiring border checks, and nothing to do with our own sovrin (sic) decision to leave the SM and CU.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 15:35 - Feb 2 with 872 views
Brexit was always a disaster for the UK, in every way imaginable.
The most distressing aspect of it has always been Northern Ireland, where the peace that has endured since the GFA has always been a very delicate balance.
NI in the UK as part of the EU just worked. The people of NI were as Irish or British as they wanted to be and it no longer really mattered.
Now, NI is much closer economically to Ireland and has begun its drift ever further from the UK. The DUP and its terrorist affiliates will do whatever they can to cause mischief, which will in turn elicit violence from SF and its dormant, but never fully disbanded crew, too.
If there were pots of gold at the end of the Brexit rainbow, then maybe it would all be worth it.
But there's no gold, no bonus, no benefit, just endless empty promises, flag-waving, soon to be dipped in blood.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 15:56 - Feb 2 with 857 views
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 12:29 - Feb 2 by leitrimblue
Unfortunately Keno, I fear the loyalist community are many years away from accepting a peaceful re-unification. And many this side of the border quite rightly fear what a re-unification with a unhappy loyalist community would bring
You're right there Leitrim. The more the feel like control is slipping from them, the more they will dig in. They have very little interest in sharing power with anyone who thinks differently from them. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40217480.html
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 16:00 - Feb 2 with 850 views
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 11:56 - Feb 2 by Keno
I think that is inching closer to a united Ireland and the loyalists know that.
Unfortunately** they dont seem to realise that behaving like right eejits will only make it happen quicker
**unfortunately for them
I for one think the re-unification is long overdue
England should also be an independent, monarch free state - but not many would like that as we'd be the most right wing state in Europe by some stretch, if not the western world but we should equally let go of the Celtic countries and leave them to their own devices.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 16:00 - Feb 2 by TieDyedIn95
England should also be an independent, monarch free state - but not many would like that as we'd be the most right wing state in Europe by some stretch, if not the western world but we should equally let go of the Celtic countries and leave them to their own devices.
If England goes independent you'll see some of the regions and cities wanting independence too. England is not a unified, homogenous country, it is very deeply divided.
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 13:13 - Feb 2 by chicoazul
The union is over really. There are plenty of countries on our doorstep that have coped with huge boundary changes in the recent past like Germany and Yugoslavia. We should grant Wales Scotland and NI referendums immediately and cope with whatever the results are including hopefully a free prosperous and independent England.
I think the English should get a vote too. Why should we not have the right to decide who we are tied to and who we are not? 5 options on the ballot paper, job done.
I have no problem with countries steering their own destiny. Good luck to them. All they have to do is take their share their proportion of the national debt, people make a decision on what their nationality is based on where they were born or one of their parents were born and it’s job done. A CTA as we have with Eire can be set up if it’s wanted to make life easier.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 19:23 - Feb 2 with 769 views
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 18:35 - Feb 2 by Herbivore
If England goes independent you'll see some of the regions and cities wanting independence too. England is not a unified, homogenous country, it is very deeply divided.
It’s more of a nation state than Germany, Italy and France or any other European country and no more divided, in my view. England as we know it has been around for over 1000 years.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 19:38 - Feb 2 with 736 views
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 19:27 - Feb 2 by Churchman
It’s more of a nation state than Germany, Italy and France or any other European country and no more divided, in my view. England as we know it has been around for over 1000 years.
I don't think any of that really negates anything I've said.
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 19:17 - Feb 2 by Churchman
I think the English should get a vote too. Why should we not have the right to decide who we are tied to and who we are not? 5 options on the ballot paper, job done.
I have no problem with countries steering their own destiny. Good luck to them. All they have to do is take their share their proportion of the national debt, people make a decision on what their nationality is based on where they were born or one of their parents were born and it’s job done. A CTA as we have with Eire can be set up if it’s wanted to make life easier.
Emer de Vattel, Swiss philosopher, said that small nations are just as sovereign as large kingdoms.
Why should England have a right to interfere in the decision of the people of NI, Scotland or Wales? If that logic was applied to Brexit, then the EU would have had a say in whether the U.K. left the EU. That would have been quite the palaver.
England was never tied to anyone. It did however tie others to it.
Even if the U.K. splinters, the ties that bind the people of the islands will need to be preserved, but not forced by the type of bigotry displayed by some members of the loyalist community.
England may elect to stay out of the EU as will be her perogative. But surely a debate on whether being in or out of the EU is good or bad for her will have to take place in years to come?
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 20:18 - Feb 2 with 683 views
Brexit and Northern Ireland on 19:45 - Feb 2 by Moriarty
Emer de Vattel, Swiss philosopher, said that small nations are just as sovereign as large kingdoms.
Why should England have a right to interfere in the decision of the people of NI, Scotland or Wales? If that logic was applied to Brexit, then the EU would have had a say in whether the U.K. left the EU. That would have been quite the palaver.
England was never tied to anyone. It did however tie others to it.
Even if the U.K. splinters, the ties that bind the people of the islands will need to be preserved, but not forced by the type of bigotry displayed by some members of the loyalist community.
England may elect to stay out of the EU as will be her perogative. But surely a debate on whether being in or out of the EU is good or bad for her will have to take place in years to come?
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Others sought to impose their culture on England and succeeded, others didn’t going right back into the mists of time before England as an entity existed, up to the Germans 80 years ago. One of the strangest is the Normans who took England in 1066 and imposed its rule and noblemen on it, but failed to change the Anglo Saxon structure of it (100s etc). Within a short period they were busy re invading what is now France! And failing in the end.
I don’t think England does has the right to interfere with the other nations’ decisions but I think it has the right to assert its independence from them, if the English wish it. As for England tying other countries to it, that was of course the case with Ireland and Wales (wasn’t my fault, by the way) but with Scotland, it was they that approached England after bankrupting themselves in 1707. There had been ‘near misses’ such as James 1st desire to unite the countries in the 1600s and it had been on the agenda for decades.
As for what you say about the ties that bind us, I agree totally and some loose form of federation / federal agreements would be my choice. It’s entirely logical for the reason you give. I believe the people of these beautiful islands should be free to enjoy and get the best from them in every way.
As for the EU, the world will change rapidly and so will the EU. Whether England forms closer links with the EU depends as much on them as it does us. Other forms of economic and political alignment may take precedence, who knows. I could certainly see England rejoining the EU in the future, but not in its current form or at least for a long time now.
Just an opinion.
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Brexit and Northern Ireland on 20:50 - Feb 2 with 659 views
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