| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap 14:39 - Feb 9 with 2919 views | OhDavidMcgoldrick |
Big positive for us! |  |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:10 - Feb 9 with 753 views | ElderGrizzly |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:00 - Feb 9 by itfcjoe |
L1 and L2 - i.e. the SCMP were done in real time. The league wouldn't let you register contracts without proof of evidence that your cup run (as an e.g.) had brought in enough money to increase turnover etc |
Thanks Joe. I hadn't appreciated it was in real time.
So we are back with SMCP for this season aren't we according to Phil's article?
"At the time of the adoption of the Salary Cap Rules, the EFL included a provision to ensure that any decision such as this would have the effect of reinstating the SCMP rules that were in operation during season 2019/20, which links player related expenditure to turnover."
Any breaches, if even possible, needs to deny promotion though. It is the only way to stop clubs breaking the rules. |  | | |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:15 - Feb 9 with 743 views | Radlett_blue |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 14:55 - Feb 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Good to hear, I couldn't recall any cases of clubs being punished for exceeding it in L1 or L2?
Maybe none did. |
Far less incentive to over-spend in those leagues. The real over-spending has been in the Championship, for obvious reasons. |  |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:30 - Feb 9 with 713 views | jayessess |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:03 - Feb 9 by BLUEBEAT |
They weren’t going to fail. The cap was illegal. |
I struggle with the legal stuff here. The Football League is a competition, I would've thought legally they were as entitled to set the rules and regulations of their leagues as they see fit? |  |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:34 - Feb 9 with 705 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:30 - Feb 9 by jayessess |
I struggle with the legal stuff here. The Football League is a competition, I would've thought legally they were as entitled to set the rules and regulations of their leagues as they see fit? |
Not if it messes with employment law (I'm guessing). |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:36 - Feb 9 with 703 views | rickw |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:30 - Feb 9 by jayessess |
I struggle with the legal stuff here. The Football League is a competition, I would've thought legally they were as entitled to set the rules and regulations of their leagues as they see fit? |
Not if it breaks national employment laws...
I think this is a good thing. There were some good things about the salary cap rules, i.e. squad limits on senior players. If we can go back to a percentage of turnover and actually enforce it then that'll be a good thing |  |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:40 - Feb 9 with 692 views | jayessess |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 14:58 - Feb 9 by SomethingBlue |
Sure, doesn't work though when the rest of football (sadly) doesn't operate like that. Need new measures that are applicable to a club's individual position rather than the blanket arrangement that's just been overturned. |
If the entire EFL was run that way, I can't see that it would matter much if the Premier League wasn't? The gap is already so massive. | |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:46 - Feb 9 with 674 views | Radlett_blue |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:36 - Feb 9 by rickw |
Not if it breaks national employment laws...
I think this is a good thing. There were some good things about the salary cap rules, i.e. squad limits on senior players. If we can go back to a percentage of turnover and actually enforce it then that'll be a good thing |
I doubt it would break employment laws but might be considered a restraint of trade. | |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:48 - Feb 9 with 670 views | jayessess |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:34 - Feb 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not if it messes with employment law (I'm guessing). |
By the looks of the EFL statement it sounds more like it's a breach of their collective bargaining agreement with the PFA (as a trade union)?
"The PFA argued that the PFNCC’s remit to consider matters relating to the employment of, and any associated rules and regulations to professional players employed by EFL Clubs, was not properly considered as part of the process to introduce the new rules and as a result served a notice of claim to that effect."
As in, it isn't illegal for a competition to set rules for entrants, even ones that stipulate things about their employment practices, but that under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement that the PFA has with the EFL, the latter has to consult with or agree with the former about changes (and didn't).
Presumably the "arbitrator" would be ACAS? | |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:52 - Feb 9 with 661 views | tractordownsouth |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 14:43 - Feb 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Disappointed to hear that if its true.
I think overall the salary cap is good for lower league football.
Its a shame our management made such a f**k up the the advantage that we did have. |
As others have said, salary caps need to be introduced at the top level first and then implemented further down for them to be effective. If salary caps are only in place for the lower leagues, all it does is reduces inequality between the Premier League and the rest. And while L1 footballers are still paid handsomely relative to most people, it's the excessive greed in the Premier League that needs curbing, not L1. |  |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 16:00 - Feb 9 with 648 views | Radlett_blue |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:52 - Feb 9 by tractordownsouth |
As others have said, salary caps need to be introduced at the top level first and then implemented further down for them to be effective. If salary caps are only in place for the lower leagues, all it does is reduces inequality between the Premier League and the rest. And while L1 footballers are still paid handsomely relative to most people, it's the excessive greed in the Premier League that needs curbing, not L1. |
You're right in principle but the PL isn't going to surrender anything meaningful from its income (beyond chucking the odd bone to the Football League in so-called "solidarity payments"). They see no reason to do so & most of their income is effectively recycled to the players, after the agents have siphoned off their 20% or so. | |
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| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 16:31 - Feb 9 with 625 views | HighgateBlue |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 15:03 - Feb 9 by BLUEBEAT |
They weren’t going to fail. The cap was illegal. |
This in depth legal analysis is really helpful. Thank you.
Is your conclusion the same in respect of rugby union salary cap that has seen Saracens relegated, or do you see a material distinction between the two regimes? |  | | |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 16:44 - Feb 9 with 612 views | HighgateBlue |
Thanks for posting a link to a page which actually tells people what the PFA was arguing. The PFA website also does so:
https://www.thepfa.com/news/2021/2/9/pfa-welcomes-withdrawal-of-salary-cap-rules
Some reports from news outlets also give this basic level of detail.
It staggers me that whenever there is a legal ruling, people base their opinions about what should be the case, and indeed what IS the case, on total speculation about what is being argued.
It's restraint of trade, innit, it's against employment law, innit. No. It's been found at an arbitration to be a breach of the Professional Football Negotiating and Consultative Committee's (PFNCC) constitution. That's the one line summary for those who don't wish to look into it further. I'm not really sure why people feel the need to make stuff up... | | | |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 17:00 - Feb 9 with 603 views | southnorfolkblue |
| PFA win arbitration on salary Cap on 14:49 - Feb 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't mind a more level playing field.
Turnover linked I don't mind though.... although would have been problematic this season. However the cap should really be c.60% of t/o. |
Which is what it was in League 1 before they changed it to this cap. It wasn’t broken so there was really no need to fix it. | |
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