| MM up to 7th in Championship. 17:10 - Feb 13 with 12980 views | cbower |
6 pts off 6th place. It will go Ape in here if he gets them into the Play offs. God help us if they were to go up. |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:08 - Feb 13 with 950 views | Herbivore |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:04 - Feb 13 by braveblue |
So how come he took us to our lowest position in 50 years? |
It was largely down to selling Daryl Murphy on the last day of the transfer window and replacing him with Leon Best. That coupled with continued injuries to Didz and Bishop rather hamstrung us that season. That 16th place finish has since been surpassed as our worst finish twice since he left. |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:09 - Feb 13 with 947 views | PJH |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:04 - Feb 13 by braveblue |
So how come he took us to our lowest position in 50 years? |
Yes, now we need someone to post " we only made the playoffs because Derby...." and someone else to mention Lincoln and we have got a complete set. |  | | |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:15 - Feb 13 with 929 views | PJH |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:08 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
It was largely down to selling Daryl Murphy on the last day of the transfer window and replacing him with Leon Best. That coupled with continued injuries to Didz and Bishop rather hamstrung us that season. That 16th place finish has since been surpassed as our worst finish twice since he left. |
Surpassed three times actually including this season and if we do not go up this season it will be surpassed for a fourth time next season. | | | |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:16 - Feb 13 with 928 views | J2BLUE |
Good luck to him. The only problem if he succeeds is that Evans is deluded enough to think he could have done that here when being starved of resources.
I would like him to bring a team back here one day and for him to get a moment with the fans. The way he left wasn't good. I'd like us to repair that relationship. That might well make me a wet blanket but I don't really care. The personal abuse he got wasn't on and it would be nice if we could have a little moment where the vast majority of the fan base could show some appreciation. |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:16 - Feb 13 with 925 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 17:29 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
No real surprise
Had he took over Ipswich in the same position as Cardiff he'd have done the same, sadly we were way adrift when he came on board and the squad wasn't as good as Cardiff's.
Lets see what happens there over the next 2/3 seasons. |
No where near good enough- and probably with parachute money! |  | | |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:21 - Feb 13 with 912 views | Herbivore |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:08 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
It's not, he was offered the funds, he turned them down. Quite simple
Fair enough, he didn't do what Burley did with Sereni and George and upset the dressing room, however by rejecting it, he ruined his biggest chance of getting us up. |
Again, that's not really true. You think ME went to him and offered him a war chest and he said no? That's really not what happened. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:23 - Feb 13 with 911 views | chrismakin |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:21 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
Again, that's not really true. You think ME went to him and offered him a war chest and he said no? That's really not what happened. |
Yes he did, im not saying it was Millions,but he certainly offered Mick the chance to add quality to the squad for a final push, and it's not true that Mick was not offered support that Window. |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:26 - Feb 13 with 897 views | J2BLUE |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:23 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
Yes he did, im not saying it was Millions,but he certainly offered Mick the chance to add quality to the squad for a final push, and it's not true that Mick was not offered support that Window. |
Source? I know Phil says he didn't want to upset the dressing room but I don't think he was offered any substantial money? | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:33 - Feb 13 with 874 views | jeera |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:26 - Feb 13 by J2BLUE |
Source? I know Phil says he didn't want to upset the dressing room but I don't think he was offered any substantial money? |
Quite.
Not asking for funding isn't the same as being offered a substantial sum.
Let alone point blank refusing it out of stubborness.
But yes, he was reported at the time as saying he had a happy squad and didn't see the point is upsetting the balance it had. Which made perfect sense. |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:33 - Feb 13 with 872 views | Herbivore |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:23 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
Yes he did, im not saying it was Millions,but he certainly offered Mick the chance to add quality to the squad for a final push, and it's not true that Mick was not offered support that Window. |
The issue was he wasn't offered sufficient funds to bring in a player or players of sufficient calibre to improve the squad, so he decided not to spend the small amount of money that might have been on offer on players who probably wouldn't improve us and who might upset the harmony he'd built up in the squad. The way you're spinning it is way off.
Had ME said to him "here's £10m, get us out of this league" I'm sure he'd have been delighted. But being able to maybe spend £1m is a different kettle of fish, you can't really buy proven quality in the Championship for that kind of money in the January window. We really didn't have huge sums to spend, not remotely. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 20:34]
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:38 - Feb 13 with 861 views | textbackup |
His record in playoff games is terrible |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:43 - Feb 13 with 847 views | vapour_trail |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:04 - Feb 13 by braveblue |
So how come he took us to our lowest position in 50 years? |
Perhaps it’s me that’s stupid, but I really don’t get how anyone can be this fcking thick. |  |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:46 - Feb 13 with 845 views | jeera |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:03 - Feb 13 by braveblue |
Don’t care. |
You care enough to post saying you don't care. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:49 - Feb 13 with 845 views | chrismakin |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:33 - Feb 13 by Herbivore |
The issue was he wasn't offered sufficient funds to bring in a player or players of sufficient calibre to improve the squad, so he decided not to spend the small amount of money that might have been on offer on players who probably wouldn't improve us and who might upset the harmony he'd built up in the squad. The way you're spinning it is way off.
Had ME said to him "here's £10m, get us out of this league" I'm sure he'd have been delighted. But being able to maybe spend £1m is a different kettle of fish, you can't really buy proven quality in the Championship for that kind of money in the January window. We really didn't have huge sums to spend, not remotely. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 20:34]
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I did say it wasn't millions, but it would have been substantial, not a measly 1m
The support was there, he chose not to take it, fair play his decision, but one im sure he regretted over the months that followed. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:50 - Feb 13 with 835 views | Herbivore |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:49 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
I did say it wasn't millions, but it would have been substantial, not a measly 1m
The support was there, he chose not to take it, fair play his decision, but one im sure he regretted over the months that followed. |
Righto. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:51 - Feb 13 with 836 views | jeera |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:43 - Feb 13 by vapour_trail |
Perhaps it’s me that’s stupid, but I really don’t get how anyone can be this fcking thick. |
Denial is a hard thing to live with.
There was much made of that stance wasn't there. The "lowest place in 50 years", ignoring all context at the time, the nonsensical attempts to compare today with how things once were, and then to top it all off, where the flying feck we happen to be right now.
Apart from all that, it probably makes perfect sense. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:53 - Feb 13 with 829 views | jeera |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:49 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
I did say it wasn't millions, but it would have been substantial, not a measly 1m
The support was there, he chose not to take it, fair play his decision, but one im sure he regretted over the months that followed. |
You are on the verge of making things up to suit how you want to see things.
Revisionist and all that.
We know the reasoning, there is no further slant to be added. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:53 - Feb 13 with 824 views | vapour_trail |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:51 - Feb 13 by jeera |
Denial is a hard thing to live with.
There was much made of that stance wasn't there. The "lowest place in 50 years", ignoring all context at the time, the nonsensical attempts to compare today with how things once were, and then to top it all off, where the flying feck we happen to be right now.
Apart from all that, it probably makes perfect sense. |
Only by the village idiots.
I thought of you earlier jeera. It was whilst chopping up a chilli to make some guacamole. Funny how the brain works. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:53 - Feb 13 with 830 views | chrismakin |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:51 - Feb 13 by jeera |
Denial is a hard thing to live with.
There was much made of that stance wasn't there. The "lowest place in 50 years", ignoring all context at the time, the nonsensical attempts to compare today with how things once were, and then to top it all off, where the flying feck we happen to be right now.
Apart from all that, it probably makes perfect sense. |
But what is everyones issue in this thread
Where we are now, but where we might have been with Mick?
Or is it agreement Micks time was up, but Evans recruited wrong
Can't work out what the actual general consensus is
At the the time it was the lowest, Based on now it's not, i dont' really see much of a discussion with that, Evans recruited wrongly and we are where we are, it doesn't change where Mick took us at the point of him being sacked. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 20:57]
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:57 - Feb 13 with 826 views | chrismakin |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:53 - Feb 13 by jeera |
You are on the verge of making things up to suit how you want to see things.
Revisionist and all that.
We know the reasoning, there is no further slant to be added. |
What's being revised. Depends what you feel substantial means.
£10mill as you say is a lot of money, but at this club a rediculous amount, and would never happen,
However a few Million for loan fees, wages etc, certainly was available, would have helped, but he chose not to take it, again, that's his choice and at the time he perhaps felt like he did the right thing, however im sure after seeing how the rest of the season went, im sure he wishes he took the offer and went shopping.
There's nothing to make up, it's common knowledge, it's been confirmed. But you seem to want an exact figure, which unless your Evans or Mick themselves, we won't know it. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:58 - Feb 13 with 817 views | jeera |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:53 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
But what is everyones issue in this thread
Where we are now, but where we might have been with Mick?
Or is it agreement Micks time was up, but Evans recruited wrong
Can't work out what the actual general consensus is
At the the time it was the lowest, Based on now it's not, i dont' really see much of a discussion with that, Evans recruited wrongly and we are where we are, it doesn't change where Mick took us at the point of him being sacked. [Post edited 13 Feb 2021 20:57]
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I'll tell you what it is.
When you can see something unfolding in front of your very eyes, be it this or Brexit or whatever, and your fellow man cannot, you try to use logic and reasoning in a vain hope that someone might listen to you.
That's not to say you can, nor should, expect them to abide by your bidding, but to ask them to at least consider their actions and the potential consequences.
When they shout you down and refuse to listen, instead, preferring to go with whatever instincts they are driven by, and then, further down the line, everything you saw coming does actually unfold as you believed...
It's flipping irritating. | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 21:06 - Feb 13 with 808 views | chrismakin |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:58 - Feb 13 by jeera |
I'll tell you what it is.
When you can see something unfolding in front of your very eyes, be it this or Brexit or whatever, and your fellow man cannot, you try to use logic and reasoning in a vain hope that someone might listen to you.
That's not to say you can, nor should, expect them to abide by your bidding, but to ask them to at least consider their actions and the potential consequences.
When they shout you down and refuse to listen, instead, preferring to go with whatever instincts they are driven by, and then, further down the line, everything you saw coming does actually unfold as you believed...
It's flipping irritating. |
I undestand
However, isn't it a simple fact that what has happened since Mick left soley down to Evans and his choice in manager
Had Evans shown a budget to Lampard,or we went with a Pearson, or a Kenny Jackett, etc, we could have been playing Micks Cardiff today. It's just one of those things
IMO, Mick had to go, the attendances showed that it couldn't go on,
Evans fked up after that
I think it's as clear cut as that tbh | |
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| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 21:40 - Feb 13 with 759 views | SamWhiteUK |
It won't go ape here. Stop it. |  | | |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 21:53 - Feb 13 with 750 views | moscow2000 |
Personally I couldn’t give a shirt about that boring man |  | | |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 21:54 - Feb 13 with 751 views | cbower |
| MM up to 7th in Championship. on 20:49 - Feb 13 by chrismakin |
I did say it wasn't millions, but it would have been substantial, not a measly 1m
The support was there, he chose not to take it, fair play his decision, but one im sure he regretted over the months that followed. |
What evidence other than pure conjecture do you have that he was offered "substantial" funds "not a measly 1m"? Please share the source, otherwise you are just making it up. | |
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