| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! 09:50 - Feb 22 with 3100 views | homer_123 |
'The work led by Public Health Scotland found by the fourth week after the first dose hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs respectively.'
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:53 - Feb 22 with 469 views | itfcjoe |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:50 - Feb 22 by m14_blue |
Frustrating on a personal level but entirely understandable and inevitable on a macro one. |
Yeah, think they were getting a bit frustrated as my dad should have been a higher priority......but then Mum got offered one Saturday morning at 9am and had it that day at 5pm, with 2nd one booked in already so they are both well happy now and the end is in sight
They expect to finish all adults in Suffolk by August, seems ambitious |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:55 - Feb 22 with 462 views | m14_blue |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:53 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
Yeah, think they were getting a bit frustrated as my dad should have been a higher priority......but then Mum got offered one Saturday morning at 9am and had it that day at 5pm, with 2nd one booked in already so they are both well happy now and the end is in sight
They expect to finish all adults in Suffolk by August, seems ambitious |
I think it’s realistic for everyone to have had at least one jab by then. Or are they talking about both?
They finally seem to have learned that it’s better to under promise and over deliver. |  | | |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:56 - Feb 22 with 462 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:48 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
On the flip side my Mum is 62 and was offered it on Saturday, whilst friends of hers in their 50s had it a couple of weeks ago.
It's all a bit of a muddle, due to how the system works with smaller GPs, and the big hubs of them - the smaller ones been more nimble and flying through their patients. |
You are only talking a matter of weeks though Joe. I'm talking about the possibility of a couple of months difference. |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:56 - Feb 22 with 458 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:44 - Feb 22 by m14_blue |
Birmingham City?????
Always knew there was something dodgy about you. |
There's so much more than that! |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:26 - Feb 22 with 442 views | BlueBadger |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:28 - Feb 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is what they said about the person who invented thalidomide, a host of insecticides, pesticides etc.... |
Thalidomide, of course, is the main reason why we have all the rounds of testing and research that the covid vaccine has been subjected to prior to release to the general public.
It's also still in use, just in use nowhere near pregnant women.
In fact, most of the dangerous substances you're citing here as your straw chemicals have forced increased safety measures precisely because they weren't subjected to the same level of testing rigour that modern medicines are. |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:27 - Feb 22 with 436 views | BlueBadger |
Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! by BlueBadger 22 Feb 2021 15:26Thalidomide, of course, is the main reason why we have all the rounds of testing and research that the covid vaccine has been subjected to prior to release to the general public.
It's also still in use, just in use nowhere near pregnant women.
In fact, most of the dangerous substances you're citing here as your straw chemicals have forced increased safety measures precisely because they weren't subjected to the same level of testing rigour that modern medicines are.
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:30 - Feb 22 with 434 views | BlueBadger |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:26 - Feb 22 by BlueBadger |
Thalidomide, of course, is the main reason why we have all the rounds of testing and research that the covid vaccine has been subjected to prior to release to the general public.
It's also still in use, just in use nowhere near pregnant women.
In fact, most of the dangerous substances you're citing here as your straw chemicals have forced increased safety measures precisely because they weren't subjected to the same level of testing rigour that modern medicines are. |
Thought you might want to know that, given your oft-voiced concerns about simplistic media scaremongering and the effects on public perceptions of fine upstanding people like George Galloway and the Ruusian president.. [Post edited 22 Feb 2021 15:38]
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:31 - Feb 22 with 431 views | StokieBlue |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 14:28 - Feb 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is what they said about the person who invented thalidomide, a host of insecticides, pesticides etc.... |
Why do you tend to cite things which happened a long time ago (60 years for this) as evidence against something without acknowledging all the changes that have happened between then and now?
There is a point where new evidence and techniques need to be assessed on their own merits rather than seeing a historical equivalence.
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:47 - Feb 22 with 408 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:31 - Feb 22 by StokieBlue |
Why do you tend to cite things which happened a long time ago (60 years for this) as evidence against something without acknowledging all the changes that have happened between then and now?
There is a point where new evidence and techniques need to be assessed on their own merits rather than seeing a historical equivalence.
SB |
You said it much better than me. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:58 - Feb 22 with 395 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:26 - Feb 22 by BlueBadger |
Thalidomide, of course, is the main reason why we have all the rounds of testing and research that the covid vaccine has been subjected to prior to release to the general public.
It's also still in use, just in use nowhere near pregnant women.
In fact, most of the dangerous substances you're citing here as your straw chemicals have forced increased safety measures precisely because they weren't subjected to the same level of testing rigour that modern medicines are. |
Well obviously if we failed to learn from our history we would be complete fools but let us not pretend that we have somehow arrived at a final destination of enlightenment. Just off the top of my head the recent recent example of the mesh related problems for women comes to mind! | |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:01 - Feb 22 with 388 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:31 - Feb 22 by StokieBlue |
Why do you tend to cite things which happened a long time ago (60 years for this) as evidence against something without acknowledging all the changes that have happened between then and now?
There is a point where new evidence and techniques need to be assessed on their own merits rather than seeing a historical equivalence.
SB |
Why do you seem to want to believe that we have reached some utopian final destination of enlightenment? | |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:03 - Feb 22 with 380 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:31 - Feb 22 by StokieBlue |
Why do you tend to cite things which happened a long time ago (60 years for this) as evidence against something without acknowledging all the changes that have happened between then and now?
There is a point where new evidence and techniques need to be assessed on their own merits rather than seeing a historical equivalence.
SB |
Ps... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/31/vaginal-pelvic-mesh-explainer
Luckily this sort of thing could never happen now! [Post edited 22 Feb 2021 16:04]
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:04 - Feb 22 with 377 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 15:31 - Feb 22 by StokieBlue |
Why do you tend to cite things which happened a long time ago (60 years for this) as evidence against something without acknowledging all the changes that have happened between then and now?
There is a point where new evidence and techniques need to be assessed on their own merits rather than seeing a historical equivalence.
SB |
Definitely getting a Brexity, Rule Britannia vibe from this description. That’s a mentality about the present and the future that has infected quite a lot of our society and politics. |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:05 - Feb 22 with 373 views | giant_stow |
If I'm reading that right, the AZ has finally come out top in one set of numbers - correct? |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:06 - Feb 22 with 371 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:01 - Feb 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Why do you seem to want to believe that we have reached some utopian final destination of enlightenment? |
Why do you seem to want to believe that the vaccines are flawed? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:08 - Feb 22 with 364 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:06 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why do you seem to want to believe that the vaccines are flawed? |
Do I?
I want to believe they are not, I am open to the possibility we do not know all possible consequences just yet!
Hope you can see the difference. | |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:09 - Feb 22 with 361 views | StokieBlue |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:01 - Feb 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Why do you seem to want to believe that we have reached some utopian final destination of enlightenment? |
I've not said that we have reached any such state. I could easily respond by asking why you feel things are exactly the same now as they were 50+ years ago? Science has moved on a long way since then.
The issue I have is that you cite things that are over half a century old without taking into account all the thousands of successful medicines and treatments that have helped millions of people in the 50+ years since your example.
It's cherry picking bad things in order to discredit new treatments that are entirely unrelated. I expect it on something like FB which is a one of the many reasons I don't go there but was hoping for more on here.
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:10 - Feb 22 with 359 views | StokieBlue |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:04 - Feb 22 by Darth_Koont |
Definitely getting a Brexity, Rule Britannia vibe from this description. That’s a mentality about the present and the future that has infected quite a lot of our society and politics. |
Sorry DK but I don't understand your post.
Are you referring to my post as Brexity and Rule Britannia?
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:11 - Feb 22 with 348 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:08 - Feb 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Do I?
I want to believe they are not, I am open to the possibility we do not know all possible consequences just yet!
Hope you can see the difference. |
You can say what ifs and buts about anything. What's the point in scaremongering? I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, should I not leave my house?
I'm not really sure what your point is. I presume you're not suggesting people don't have the vaccine, so if that's the case what do you want us to do with your pessimistic view? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:12 - Feb 22 with 348 views | StokieBlue |
Once again though, you're ignoring the thousands of successful medicines and treatments to focus on something which wasn't as hoped and is being dealt with.
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:13 - Feb 22 with 342 views | BlueBadger |
Post-surgical complications, particularly in urology, are not unknown and will never be. the point is, every precaution will have been taken prior to surgery for these particularly unfortunate individuals involved. Complications post surgery of any kind, particularly if if in involves something being implanted are sadly, an ongoing occupational hazard and can be far more difficult to mitigate against, particularly when rolled out on mass in a such a complicated patient group such as those suffering abdominal prolapses.
It certainly doesn't justify your tedious dog-whistle antivaxxing. | |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:14 - Feb 22 with 341 views | Steve_M |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:05 - Feb 22 by giant_stow |
If I'm reading that right, the AZ has finally come out top in one set of numbers - correct? |
Yes, but the exact numbers are unhelpful as the data behind them is still limited. See my earlier post in this thread. |  |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:15 - Feb 22 with 338 views | BlueBadger |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:08 - Feb 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Do I?
I want to believe they are not, I am open to the possibility we do not know all possible consequences just yet!
Hope you can see the difference. |
Oh Banksy, spare us your intellectual cowardice here. We all know you're itching to go 'full Harry' here. | |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:15 - Feb 22 with 336 views | Darth_Koont |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:10 - Feb 22 by StokieBlue |
Sorry DK but I don't understand your post.
Are you referring to my post as Brexity and Rule Britannia?
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Yeah, that wasn’t as clear as it should have been.
I’m responding to the mentality you describe, and I agree with you that it’s flawed thinking. And it’s a regressive type of thinking that’s all too common nowadays in lots of areas. | |
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| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:16 - Feb 22 with 330 views | giant_stow |
| Bloody vaccines....who need 'em! on 16:14 - Feb 22 by Steve_M |
Yes, but the exact numbers are unhelpful as the data behind them is still limited. See my earlier post in this thread. |
Just read that now - cheers. | |
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