| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. 13:06 - Apr 7 with 8627 views | Old_Git |
I’m utterly opposed to this soulless, money-based, takeover by a raft and range of investors and other executives with a minor interest in ‘sports’ and ‘soccer’ and absolutely zero interest in, or respect for, ITFC.
What a contrast with the modest, local Marcus Evans.
90% of the GC20 equity comes from a pension fund that will be looking for instant income and, ultimately, a capital gain and it is possible that, at the top of the agenda of GC20 is an Exit Strategy.
From the pension fund’s point of view, it is important to have the odd Gamble Investment within a portfolio and, boy, they’ve picked a doozy...as Americans might say.
We’ve seen the strategy that they have introduced elsewhere and upon which they have explicitly based their hopes, viz trading players, at the same time as reaching the Prem with months. They think they’ll make a few millions On The Side, by selling AndrÄ— and Flynn, whilst romping up the leagues.
I imagine that they have a Three Year Plan and that they will definitely hold a ‘fire sale’, after five years, if they have not achieved all of their objectives.
Marcus Evans is one of Britain’s most successful entrepreneurs, it is absurd to suggest that he has proven himself to be an incompetent football club owner. He has merely been unlucky.
He has also been a great sportsman, who continued writing out cheques for what turned out to be a doomed project, even when the losses roared past £100m. Without complaint. Despite brain-dead fans remorselessly screaming abuse at him, for ‘failing’ to “invest”...or, as one might also call it, throw away a king’s ransom of over £100m.
I would’ve bailed out long, long ago.
I regard Mr Evans in the same light as the Cobbolds. I can offer him no greater compliment. I certainly offer him my thanks…
… And I look forward to hearing how much money I am going to make, on my shares ! I “invested”... |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 13:48 - Apr 7 with 2284 views | Guthrum |
I agree with a lot of your sentiments about Evans.
However, I'm not sure it's fair to deride the new owners as 'investors and other executives with a minor interest in ‘sports’ and ‘soccer''. O'Leary and some of his bunch have reasonably long-standing involvement in English football - West Brom (of which he was Chief Exec) and Oxford, specifically - with the possibility of a CE being brought in from Bristol City. Not an unreasonable pedigree.
I think you're right in that that this is not an open-ended investment. But hopefully they will have the nous to plot a sensible path to promotion, then promotion again (their best hope of a return). As per Swansea over the last several years. |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:00 - Apr 7 with 2241 views | Darth_Koont |
3/10
You went in hard but signaled the inherent contradiction by the second para.
League One trolling. |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:08 - Apr 7 with 2210 views | nodge_blue |
Thats pretty much what I wrote on here a few weeks back.
I think though that Marcus has failed to implement a football structure at the club. The whole Hirst thing was a fiasco that the owner shouldn't have allowed. He came in too late in the summer. And gobbled up random lower league players at a rate that Evans questioned but let allow happen. This lack of football acumen was symptomatic of a poor football owner. But I don't doubt his integrity and also think he was unlucky. He doesn't deserve to be vilified.
At least we will have a period of a fresh start. But I fear that if success doesn't come quickly that it won't end well. |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:13 - Apr 7 with 2182 views | MattinLondon |
Just imagine if Leicester City and Man City held that view before being taken over.
I’m not for one minute suggesting that this takeover will be anything as successful- I’ll be happy with being back in the PL and playing good football. But the club has been that driver who can’t do hill starts, rolls back and then is too scared to take the handbrake off.
The club has to take this gamble, absolutely has to or it’ll be L2. |  | | |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:14 - Apr 7 with 2176 views | GeoffSentence |
That they want a return on their investment is a good thing in my eyes as the only way they will get is if they bring some measure of success to the club.
There is no doubt that ME is a decent and modest man, and I only wish he had success here because as a character I think he is the right fit for this club. However he doesn't have the wherewithal either in knowledge or finance to bring us success.
If Gamechanger do fancy making a few millions on the side by selling Andre and Flynn, they can fill their boots as far as I am concerned. A couple of years ago, even last year, the prospect of selling off our developing youngsters would have been very displeasing to me, but they haven't developed as much as I'd hoped, they haven't done much to show they are worth keeping, in fact there is not one player at the club who it would bother me to get rid of right now.
So I appreciate your sentiment and understand where you are coming from, but I disagree with you. Right now this is the best thing for the club. |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:17 - Apr 7 with 2161 views | J2BLUE |
Can't believe people are downvoting this or responding to the post.
Irrelevant self-important attention seeking at its finest. |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:18 - Apr 7 with 2160 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Should this not have been titled, "The view from the Roy Keane memorial bourses"? |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:22 - Apr 7 with 2150 views | TieDyedIn95 |
I'd say Evans roughly £7million a year since buying the club wasn't as significant a contribution as you have made it out to be... "continued writing cheques" to who? Most of the debt was paperwork.
As for comparing Evans to the Cobbolds, that's like comparing Keir Starmer to Clement Atlee. |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:23 - Apr 7 with 2137 views | GeoffSentence |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:17 - Apr 7 by J2BLUE |
Can't believe people are downvoting this or responding to the post.
Irrelevant self-important attention seeking at its finest. |
Attention seeking? OG has not posted anything since the end of November, it is a stretch to call that sort of output as 'attention seeking'. | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:23 - Apr 7 with 2136 views | MattinLondon |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:17 - Apr 7 by J2BLUE |
Can't believe people are downvoting this or responding to the post.
Irrelevant self-important attention seeking at its finest. |
I’ve nothing better to do. I’m watching ‘Frozen’ for the hundredth time with my four year old. | | | |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:26 - Apr 7 with 2121 views | Darth_Koont |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:23 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon |
I’ve nothing better to do. I’m watching ‘Frozen’ for the hundredth time with my four year old. |
Let it go. | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:28 - Apr 7 with 2107 views | DarkHorse |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:33 - Apr 7 with 2080 views | istanblue |
Obvious troll is obvious. |  | | |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:36 - Apr 7 with 2062 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:23 - Apr 7 by GeoffSentence |
Attention seeking? OG has not posted anything since the end of November, it is a stretch to call that sort of output as 'attention seeking'. |
I think being proud you voted for Evans is mad enough but to compare the bloke to the Cobbolds ... if that's not trolling....... it's insanity. Absolute insanity. | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:38 - Apr 7 with 2051 views | J2BLUE |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:23 - Apr 7 by GeoffSentence |
Attention seeking? OG has not posted anything since the end of November, it is a stretch to call that sort of output as 'attention seeking'. |
Something big happens and he's back to make it about him.
I'll say no more as he's TWTD's biggest blind spot and i'm upsetting someone... | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:39 - Apr 7 with 2037 views | Ryorry |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:38 - Apr 7 by J2BLUE |
Something big happens and he's back to make it about him.
I'll say no more as he's TWTD's biggest blind spot and i'm upsetting someone... |
He's certainly not "TWTD's biggest blind spot". |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:40 - Apr 7 with 2023 views | J2BLUE |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:39 - Apr 7 by Ryorry |
He's certainly not "TWTD's biggest blind spot". |
Thanks for correcting me. | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:40 - Apr 7 with 2021 views | ghostofescobar |
Can only assume this is a joke post? To compare Evans to the Cobbold's is pretty offensive. Virtually every point in there can be picked apart |  |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:48 - Apr 7 with 1984 views | blueislander |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 14:40 - Apr 7 by ghostofescobar |
Can only assume this is a joke post? To compare Evans to the Cobbold's is pretty offensive. Virtually every point in there can be picked apart |
They are comparable in their very scant knowledge of football. |  | | |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:10 - Apr 7 with 1967 views | BlueBadger |
Evans' reason for buying the club was purely and solely a 'soulless, money based operation....with a minor interest in "sports"' [Post edited 7 Apr 2021 15:23]
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:33 - Apr 7 with 1936 views | Old_Git |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 13:30 - Apr 7 by Daleyitfc |
Whereas I was one of 3(??) shareholders that voted against the Evans Group taking over : but would happily vote in favour of this as being less worse than the current position , except ... no vote is required. |
How interesting. I actually thought that dear old Bryan Knights was the only No voter when the ME takeover was proposed and I respected Bryan's view, of course. I remember he spoke to the motion, at the EGM.
Yes, a vote from we existing shareholders was actually required, when ME bought in but I expect that GC20 will wish to demonstrate some respect towards we 3,000 shareholders by inviting us to some sort of meeting, perhaps with a token, 'indicative' vote.
I shall 'respectfully' vote No, the New Plan doesn't hold water, in my view; where is the provision for Luck, and any recognition of Bad Luck suffered by Evans, in the press releases ?
Each season, 88 English clubs Fail to win their division; is that Failure ? Does it Prove that the manager or owner is a fool ? 'Hasn't gotta clue !" "He's ruined our club ! Evans is a bum." What tosh, he's made reasonable decisions and invested his time and world-class business acumen in our little entity. It hasn't worked out. Nor has my life, in its final phase, but I gave it a crack, early on and had some fun and success, just as Evans has, in other parts of his life, using the same brain.
But of course it is very interesting, to see in a new era and presumably they will splash some cash, at least initially, as I remember poor Evans was forced to do by the profligate Royston (who splurged nearly £100m at Sunderland so Marcus perhaps got off lightly.)
As when Evans took over, the specific quantities of cash changing hands will never be known definitively but, one way or another, GC20 will Spend but from a quite different standpoint to that of ME: every penny 'invested' now will be tracked and filtered thru accountants and committees whereas Evans probably only had his wife to nag him about wasting money...
Within the world of pension funds, Investment is made on the expectation of Return tho I have already conceded that a professional fund portfolio will include some mad punts which is surely how the purchase of ITFC will be categorised. "It's a long shot outta left field," or whatever Financial Americaners say.
The TWTD consensus is that Only 'investing' a million pounds a month over a decade is cheapskatery of the most foul and contemptible cheapness. "If you dare to buy MY football club, in which I have personally invested nowt, you must promise to lose hundreds of millions of pounds or you will deserve a birching on the centre-spot." In the GeeWhizz20 boardroom, have the words HUNDREDS of millions been heard ? Doubt it.
I'm surprised that I have lived long enough to "see in" anything, my health has been poor ever since...well, I have amnesia so I can't remember how long I have been poorly. And, yes, sadly, I'm too old to be suffering Early Onset Dementia... 
COYB, I of course have my fingers crossed and hope that we at least enjoy a New Owner Honeymoon (better than Cookie's) and sufficient to lift us back into Division Two, perhaps even this season.
By sheer coincidental chance, I spoke face-to-face with Lord Norwood last night, unlikely as it sounds, and we made reference to the takeover but I specifically told him that I would not reveal details of our chat  | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:39 - Apr 7 with 1908 views | floridaboy |
You are entitled to your opinion which I respect.
BUT dont ever lump ME in with the Cobbolds. That is a downright insult to them both!
ME is not fit to clean the shoes they wore or drink in the same room as them!! | | | |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:44 - Apr 7 with 1896 views | Old_Git |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:39 - Apr 7 by floridaboy |
You are entitled to your opinion which I respect.
BUT dont ever lump ME in with the Cobbolds. That is a downright insult to them both!
ME is not fit to clean the shoes they wore or drink in the same room as them!! |
Tho, the Cobbolds were Gentlemen and would be appalled to hear such rudeness directed towards ME.
I respect the fact that you disagree with me. But perhaps you have spoiled your case by over-egging it ? | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:54 - Apr 7 with 1875 views | Ryorry |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:33 - Apr 7 by Old_Git |
How interesting. I actually thought that dear old Bryan Knights was the only No voter when the ME takeover was proposed and I respected Bryan's view, of course. I remember he spoke to the motion, at the EGM.
Yes, a vote from we existing shareholders was actually required, when ME bought in but I expect that GC20 will wish to demonstrate some respect towards we 3,000 shareholders by inviting us to some sort of meeting, perhaps with a token, 'indicative' vote.
I shall 'respectfully' vote No, the New Plan doesn't hold water, in my view; where is the provision for Luck, and any recognition of Bad Luck suffered by Evans, in the press releases ?
Each season, 88 English clubs Fail to win their division; is that Failure ? Does it Prove that the manager or owner is a fool ? 'Hasn't gotta clue !" "He's ruined our club ! Evans is a bum." What tosh, he's made reasonable decisions and invested his time and world-class business acumen in our little entity. It hasn't worked out. Nor has my life, in its final phase, but I gave it a crack, early on and had some fun and success, just as Evans has, in other parts of his life, using the same brain.
But of course it is very interesting, to see in a new era and presumably they will splash some cash, at least initially, as I remember poor Evans was forced to do by the profligate Royston (who splurged nearly £100m at Sunderland so Marcus perhaps got off lightly.)
As when Evans took over, the specific quantities of cash changing hands will never be known definitively but, one way or another, GC20 will Spend but from a quite different standpoint to that of ME: every penny 'invested' now will be tracked and filtered thru accountants and committees whereas Evans probably only had his wife to nag him about wasting money...
Within the world of pension funds, Investment is made on the expectation of Return tho I have already conceded that a professional fund portfolio will include some mad punts which is surely how the purchase of ITFC will be categorised. "It's a long shot outta left field," or whatever Financial Americaners say.
The TWTD consensus is that Only 'investing' a million pounds a month over a decade is cheapskatery of the most foul and contemptible cheapness. "If you dare to buy MY football club, in which I have personally invested nowt, you must promise to lose hundreds of millions of pounds or you will deserve a birching on the centre-spot." In the GeeWhizz20 boardroom, have the words HUNDREDS of millions been heard ? Doubt it.
I'm surprised that I have lived long enough to "see in" anything, my health has been poor ever since...well, I have amnesia so I can't remember how long I have been poorly. And, yes, sadly, I'm too old to be suffering Early Onset Dementia...
COYB, I of course have my fingers crossed and hope that we at least enjoy a New Owner Honeymoon (better than Cookie's) and sufficient to lift us back into Division Two, perhaps even this season.
By sheer coincidental chance, I spoke face-to-face with Lord Norwood last night, unlikely as it sounds, and we made reference to the takeover but I specifically told him that I would not reveal details of our chat |
"he's made reasonable decisions and invested his time and world-class business acumen in our little entity"
"Reasonable" decisions? "World-class business acumen"? Seriously?!! | |
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| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 16:19 - Apr 7 with 1824 views | Old_Git |
| As a shareholder, I voted FOR Marcus Evans and will vote AGAINST GC20. on 15:54 - Apr 7 by Ryorry |
"he's made reasonable decisions and invested his time and world-class business acumen in our little entity"
"Reasonable" decisions? "World-class business acumen"? Seriously?!! |
Is he not a world-class businessman ? Has he not applied that same brain to ITFC ? Yes, that's the answer I'm suggesting, to both questions...
...and it sadly and frustratingly hasn't worked out...just as 88 English league clubs Fail each year to win their divisional title.
I think that Evans has - plain and simple - been a scapegoat for a primarily unlucky decline.
You doubt whether he has made Reasonable decisions ? That's pretty extreme, isn't it ? Do you have a list of Unreasonable decisions that he has made ?
I'm afraid that the echo chamber that is TWTD repeatedly becomes a suffocating socialist dictatoriat, in which any view other than that of the Consensus is regarded as Lunatic.
Time and time again, a new manager is welcomed as the messiah but is turned within months into a pariah, his supposedly staggeringly wonderful characteristics reversed into gaping flaws for which he should be flayed.
If Cookie's disastrous first few matches is a clue, he will be reviled before the end of the season, perhaps for Chopping & Changing..."He STILL doesn't know his best eleven!"
How long before The American Bean Counters That Know Nowt About Football are despised ? Christmas ?
I hope that we excel under their leadership tho I don't expect them to have actually written out 'checks' (as they call them) for more than a few pence and I don't expect them to EVER waste £100m as poor Evans has done.
I bet a Top Worst Case Figure of $50m has been mentioned, after which they will sling the club into Receivership.
And, yes, I'm still watching every kick of every ball, on iFollow...tho the laborious Instant Replays cause one to miss some kicks ! | |
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