| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester 07:18 - May 13 with 11916 views | GlasgowBlue |
If they are not sold, although I believe they will be, then how are they ever going to give 100% for Paul Cook knowing that he doesn’t really want them?
Staggered that any of the above players are on his list of unwanted. They should be the future of our club. And what message does it send out to the likes of Baggott and any other promising youths in the under 18’s.
Clear out the the deadwood and the under performers but please don’t rip the heart out if the club. |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:40 - May 13 with 718 views | ITFC_96 |
This is turning into Lambert all over again with mismanagement of players. Except we may have actually scraped into the playoffs with Lambert.
Edit: also hilarious that Drinan got a contract extended? [Post edited 13 May 2021 8:41]
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:40 - May 13 with 716 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:06 - May 13 by Guthrum |
Is there a new, upcoming generation of our youth players who are being blocked by those currently at the top of the pile? Some of the U23s and last night's team may get a crack at breaking through instead. |
I doubt we will se a significant amount of last night's team breaking through next season. Baggott and Gibbs will be around the squad having already tasted first team action. |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:41 - May 13 with 711 views | SaigonTractor |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:35 - May 13 by portmanking |
On your last point, isn't that the right approach? For too long we've accepted mediocrity from our homegrown players, simply because they are 'one of our own'. |
Oh it's absolutely the right approach, I didn't mean to make it sound like a negative. |  | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:44 - May 13 with 690 views | portmanking |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:40 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I doubt we will se a significant amount of last night's team breaking through next season. Baggott and Gibbs will be around the squad having already tasted first team action. |
It's not all about next season though. Clearing the decks now gives the U18s a clearer pathway to make their mark in the next 2-4 years. | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:45 - May 13 with 687 views | Guthrum |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:40 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I doubt we will se a significant amount of last night's team breaking through next season. Baggott and Gibbs will be around the squad having already tasted first team action. |
Certainly. But two or three 17- to 23-year-old Youth team members will be a similar leavening to what we've had up to now, but with a fresh set of personnel. |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:45 - May 13 with 688 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:34 - May 13 by ITFCBlues |
Of the three players you've mentioned, Downes wants to go, Wolfy hasn't played large chunks of the season - is there an attitude problem there or application problem there? Lambert seemed to think so as well.... Dozzell has had his chances. Its clear you have a soft spot for him but playing one nice looking pass a game then not really doing alot else isn't going to cut it.
I'm really not bothered about them leaving and who knows what happens on the training ground every week.
Cooks proven at this level and even above. These players aren't. |
Personally I find that the club should be representative of the area as well as just pining for success at all costs on the field - there are 7 academy players in the first team who are reportedly been told they can leave (Dozz, Downes, Woolf, Bish, Dobra, Kenlock and Lankester).
That takes a lot of expereince at the club - a lot of those have been here since they were 8-9, it takes those players for academy boys to look up to in the squad, it takes those who understand their journey out of the squad and it's just a big part of the club that won't be there. It's not unlikely if they all go that we have no academy representation in the team next season.
Personally I don't like that, and I don't think it is necessary - people obviously have different opinions to me - but as a proud Ipswich boy I like to see the team having some local influence on it.
Players like Chambers and Skuse gave that in the end with how they 'got' the club, but it takes time to build that relationship up. |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:49 - May 13 with 664 views | LankHenners |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:01 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
It's Roy Keane all over again - I lapped it up when I was younger and less understanding about the club - he was going to turn us into winners, he could rip the club up from the bottom up because I knew he was going to get it right.....
He didn't, Cook won't, and as fans we will have to suffer as we've been out back as a club.
We can all accept Chambers and Skuse's time was up (or nearly up), but to remove the heart from the club in this respect as well is too much for me.
Can anyway really say they are excited to sell Dozzell, Downes and Woolfie to bring in Lee Evans, Callum Connolly and Owen Dale? |
A lot of the reaction to this news very much reminds me of Hurst’s summer when people were heartily cheering the sales of all our good players because they’d convinced themselves it was the right thing to do and believed more in the abilities of some complete unknowns coming in to replace them.
Wonder how the owners and chairman square the circle of making positive noises about utilising the youth players then having their manager/CEO gut out all the promising graduates in one go. |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:50 - May 13 with 656 views | portmanking |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:45 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Personally I find that the club should be representative of the area as well as just pining for success at all costs on the field - there are 7 academy players in the first team who are reportedly been told they can leave (Dozz, Downes, Woolf, Bish, Dobra, Kenlock and Lankester).
That takes a lot of expereince at the club - a lot of those have been here since they were 8-9, it takes those players for academy boys to look up to in the squad, it takes those who understand their journey out of the squad and it's just a big part of the club that won't be there. It's not unlikely if they all go that we have no academy representation in the team next season.
Personally I don't like that, and I don't think it is necessary - people obviously have different opinions to me - but as a proud Ipswich boy I like to see the team having some local influence on it.
Players like Chambers and Skuse gave that in the end with how they 'got' the club, but it takes time to build that relationship up. |
I really feel like you're moaning for moaning's sake here. You're the first one to say that we are underachieving and should be doing better, yet most of these 7 academy players have been part of the issue!
Furthermore, only 2 of that 7 are genuine "Ipswich boys". Where was the local influence in our promotion winning XI in 2000 apart from Richard Wright? Cook's not discounting the Academy full stop. It's simply time to create a new pathway for the current U18s that have demonstrated such promise in this year's Cup. | | | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:52 - May 13 with 651 views | Steve_M |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:49 - May 13 by LankHenners |
A lot of the reaction to this news very much reminds me of Hurst’s summer when people were heartily cheering the sales of all our good players because they’d convinced themselves it was the right thing to do and believed more in the abilities of some complete unknowns coming in to replace them.
Wonder how the owners and chairman square the circle of making positive noises about utilising the youth players then having their manager/CEO gut out all the promising graduates in one go. |
Well, quite. It's exactly the same and, as Joe pointed out, also when Keane did the same.
The entire point about having a footballing structure for me is that it stops the first team manager making decisions that are detrimental to the long-term good of he club for his own short-term interest. Is this Cook trying to shore up his position before Ashton starts? |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:53 - May 13 with 630 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:50 - May 13 by portmanking |
I really feel like you're moaning for moaning's sake here. You're the first one to say that we are underachieving and should be doing better, yet most of these 7 academy players have been part of the issue!
Furthermore, only 2 of that 7 are genuine "Ipswich boys". Where was the local influence in our promotion winning XI in 2000 apart from Richard Wright? Cook's not discounting the Academy full stop. It's simply time to create a new pathway for the current U18s that have demonstrated such promise in this year's Cup. |
James Scowcroft.
And while not 'local' Naylor was an Academy product.
The sale of Dyer funded that promotion push. | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:56 - May 13 with 598 views | SomethingBlue |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:45 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Personally I find that the club should be representative of the area as well as just pining for success at all costs on the field - there are 7 academy players in the first team who are reportedly been told they can leave (Dozz, Downes, Woolf, Bish, Dobra, Kenlock and Lankester).
That takes a lot of expereince at the club - a lot of those have been here since they were 8-9, it takes those players for academy boys to look up to in the squad, it takes those who understand their journey out of the squad and it's just a big part of the club that won't be there. It's not unlikely if they all go that we have no academy representation in the team next season.
Personally I don't like that, and I don't think it is necessary - people obviously have different opinions to me - but as a proud Ipswich boy I like to see the team having some local influence on it.
Players like Chambers and Skuse gave that in the end with how they 'got' the club, but it takes time to build that relationship up. |
One thing I guess is that we *do* have a talented flock coming through at U18 and below — perhaps Cook would like to blood the best of them and thinks the current bunch are too downtrodden/tainted by past disappointments.
It'd be a shame and a waste that many people can be held responsible for — but I'd understand that to some extent even though I, like you, am worried that he is trying something that needs to come together perfectly in no time. As I said on another thread, Conor McEleny isn't going to help a lot with that ... | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:56 - May 13 with 600 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:50 - May 13 by portmanking |
I really feel like you're moaning for moaning's sake here. You're the first one to say that we are underachieving and should be doing better, yet most of these 7 academy players have been part of the issue!
Furthermore, only 2 of that 7 are genuine "Ipswich boys". Where was the local influence in our promotion winning XI in 2000 apart from Richard Wright? Cook's not discounting the Academy full stop. It's simply time to create a new pathway for the current U18s that have demonstrated such promise in this year's Cup. |
What about Scowy who was our player of the season as well as Richard Wright? Dyer before him, and then Titus in the PL.
Whether they are from Cambridge or Brentwood, the fact they've been here since Age 9 makes them Ipswich boys for me. | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:56 - May 13 with 595 views | LankHenners |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:52 - May 13 by Steve_M |
Well, quite. It's exactly the same and, as Joe pointed out, also when Keane did the same.
The entire point about having a footballing structure for me is that it stops the first team manager making decisions that are detrimental to the long-term good of he club for his own short-term interest. Is this Cook trying to shore up his position before Ashton starts? |
Yep, I appreciate there’s appetite all round for something of a reset but this feels a step too far.
Hopefully Watson’s right and this is some ‘kick up the @rse’ strategy but would appear to be a very high risk one. | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:56 - May 13 with 594 views | BrightonBlue |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:52 - May 13 by Steve_M |
Well, quite. It's exactly the same and, as Joe pointed out, also when Keane did the same.
The entire point about having a footballing structure for me is that it stops the first team manager making decisions that are detrimental to the long-term good of he club for his own short-term interest. Is this Cook trying to shore up his position before Ashton starts? |
Ashton has started. Maybe not formally but he’s not got his head in the sand until June 1st. |  | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:57 - May 13 with 590 views | portmanking |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:53 - May 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
James Scowcroft.
And while not 'local' Naylor was an Academy product.
The sale of Dyer funded that promotion push. |
Yeah, so that's 2, (3 at a push) in a squad of 22-23. Hardly oozing Suffolk charm.
As for the sale of Dyer, one could argue the sale of Downes & Dozzell could provide a similar catalyst for 2021/22 and onward. | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:58 - May 13 with 582 views | SaigonTractor |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:49 - May 13 by LankHenners |
A lot of the reaction to this news very much reminds me of Hurst’s summer when people were heartily cheering the sales of all our good players because they’d convinced themselves it was the right thing to do and believed more in the abilities of some complete unknowns coming in to replace them.
Wonder how the owners and chairman square the circle of making positive noises about utilising the youth players then having their manager/CEO gut out all the promising graduates in one go. |
While there's rightfully concern after last time, Blackpool and Lincoln basically changed their entire teams last season and they both made the playoffs. It's not guaranteed to fail. | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:59 - May 13 with 574 views | ITFC_96 |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:56 - May 13 by LankHenners |
Yep, I appreciate there’s appetite all round for something of a reset but this feels a step too far.
Hopefully Watson’s right and this is some ‘kick up the @rse’ strategy but would appear to be a very high risk one. |
Dobra's been subject to multiple "kick up the @rse" strategies at this point from different managers and he's barely played. I think this is for real, and if it is a strategy to get them play, it is an incredibly naive and stupid one. | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:59 - May 13 with 574 views | portmanking |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:58 - May 13 by SaigonTractor |
While there's rightfully concern after last time, Blackpool and Lincoln basically changed their entire teams last season and they both made the playoffs. It's not guaranteed to fail. |
In Leagues 1 and 2, most teams rip up their squads every summer!
I saw yesterday, Port Vale had released 14 of its squad of 24. I wonder if their fans are panicking as much as ours? | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:00 - May 13 with 561 views | Keno |
Or maybe he is giving they a kick up arse? |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:01 - May 13 with 548 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:57 - May 13 by portmanking |
Yeah, so that's 2, (3 at a push) in a squad of 22-23. Hardly oozing Suffolk charm.
As for the sale of Dyer, one could argue the sale of Downes & Dozzell could provide a similar catalyst for 2021/22 and onward. |
IF they stay.
That's the crux of the argument.
I'd be surprised if Downes stays, which makes it important to see the likes of Dobra, Dozzell and Woolf kick on. | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:01 - May 13 with 548 views | SaigonTractor |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:59 - May 13 by ITFC_96 |
Dobra's been subject to multiple "kick up the @rse" strategies at this point from different managers and he's barely played. I think this is for real, and if it is a strategy to get them play, it is an incredibly naive and stupid one. |
If Dobra has had multiple "kick up the @rse" strategies that haven't worked then that would suggest the problem lies with him and he should be allowed to leave. | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:05 - May 13 with 528 views | itfcjoe |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:56 - May 13 by SomethingBlue |
One thing I guess is that we *do* have a talented flock coming through at U18 and below — perhaps Cook would like to blood the best of them and thinks the current bunch are too downtrodden/tainted by past disappointments.
It'd be a shame and a waste that many people can be held responsible for — but I'd understand that to some extent even though I, like you, am worried that he is trying something that needs to come together perfectly in no time. As I said on another thread, Conor McEleny isn't going to help a lot with that ... |
I was just posting elsewhere about recruitment....I just can't see the recruitment being of a sufficient standard to excite the fans, by virtue of being a L1 club. When Keane did it and we could sign PL players for 7 figure fees was a bit different.
Ultimately signing McAleney, Dale, Connolly, Evans, etcisn't going to get the pulses racing - and just so little margin for error - especially when the wider fan base returns | |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:05 - May 13 with 518 views | ITFC_96 |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:01 - May 13 by SaigonTractor |
If Dobra has had multiple "kick up the @rse" strategies that haven't worked then that would suggest the problem lies with him and he should be allowed to leave. |
Except he's been one of our more promising players the past couple of seasons? The point is he's not been allowed to play in favour of players like Edwards. And if Edwards is still here next season then Cook's judgement is crazy. This is clearly a final decision, and to be honest, I wouldn't want to stay at the club any longer if the new manager's come in and told me to "find another club" over a quick 30 second talk. | | | |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:07 - May 13 with 503 views | ITFCBlues |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 08:45 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Personally I find that the club should be representative of the area as well as just pining for success at all costs on the field - there are 7 academy players in the first team who are reportedly been told they can leave (Dozz, Downes, Woolf, Bish, Dobra, Kenlock and Lankester).
That takes a lot of expereince at the club - a lot of those have been here since they were 8-9, it takes those players for academy boys to look up to in the squad, it takes those who understand their journey out of the squad and it's just a big part of the club that won't be there. It's not unlikely if they all go that we have no academy representation in the team next season.
Personally I don't like that, and I don't think it is necessary - people obviously have different opinions to me - but as a proud Ipswich boy I like to see the team having some local influence on it.
Players like Chambers and Skuse gave that in the end with how they 'got' the club, but it takes time to build that relationship up. |
Who's to say some of those in the fa youth cup side don't step up?
There seems to be alot of blubbing going on for players that just haven't done it here for some time now. You can't just have players from the youth team in the squad if they're not good enough... And on thay list, Downes wants out, Lankester injury prone and just not done it when given a chance, Kenlock again doesn't really have the quality, Bish has had chances this season and hasn't shown us anything - how long do we wait? Dozzell just doesn't do enough and is a pure luxury player, not sure you can have that at this level without the defensive work. Wolf played 2nd fiddle this season - you have to ask yourself why?
Dobra is the only one I'm bothered about. He's looked decent. |  |
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| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:07 - May 13 with 503 views | DanTheMan |
| Downes, Dozzell, Dobra, Woolfenden & Lankester on 09:01 - May 13 by SaigonTractor |
If Dobra has had multiple "kick up the @rse" strategies that haven't worked then that would suggest the problem lies with him and he should be allowed to leave. |
I'm not sure what more Dobra could have done. He puts in a massive amount of effort when he plays.
Obviously not there for training but if you're already trying your hardest and someone tells you they need more from you, I'd be miffed too. |  |
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