| This shames us all in Britain 21:32 - Jun 30 with 5683 views | Mullet |
Even if you allow for hyperbole, emoting and any margin for error this account and the context is dreadful. |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 20:54 - Jul 1 with 776 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This shames us all in Britain on 20:05 - Jul 1 by jeera |
There really does need to be the option where people can say on a voting slip that they have no confidence in anyone standing so they can still exercise their right to be heard through the same process.
There has been times I have voted in protest but without conviction and it doesn't feel right when what I really want to say isn't an option available to me. |
There is that option - to deliberately spoil your ballot paper. I have exercised that before. |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 21:01 - Jul 1 with 772 views | jeera |
| This shames us all in Britain on 20:54 - Jul 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There is that option - to deliberately spoil your ballot paper. I have exercised that before. |
Well yes, as have I.
But there should be a legitimate option.
Otherwise it can feel like it's just being petulant rather than a considered opinion. |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 21:08 - Jul 1 with 763 views | chicoazul |
| This shames us all in Britain on 20:07 - Jul 1 by ArnoldMoorhen |
We're talking about a yes/no Referendum, not people.
Obviously you have the right to not vote, but that doesn't exempt you from responsibility for the outcome. |
I’m afraid it does. |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 21:11 - Jul 1 with 757 views | chicoazul |
| This shames us all in Britain on 20:05 - Jul 1 by jeera |
There really does need to be the option where people can say on a voting slip that they have no confidence in anyone standing so they can still exercise their right to be heard through the same process.
There has been times I have voted in protest but without conviction and it doesn't feel right when what I really want to say isn't an option available to me. |
I agree but I also think not voting is just about the only way to get through to the ruling class that they don’t represent me. This idea that somehow I owe the chaps that died at Omaha Beach my vote even if I give it to people I don’t agree with is insane and I think they would agree with me. | |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 21:11 - Jul 1 with 758 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This shames us all in Britain on 21:08 - Jul 1 by chicoazul |
I’m afraid it does. |
Exactly. This is why people died in the wars.
Freedom to have a choice
Not a directive to vote (although strangely I can see the benefits in that) |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 21:54 - Jul 1 with 719 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This shames us all in Britain on 16:12 - Jul 1 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Are you seriously proudly boasting of the fact that you have neglected your democratic rights, that other people have paid for with their lives to protect?
What if everybody did that? |
Living the dream! |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 10:03 - Jul 2 with 665 views | loftboy |
| This shames us all in Britain on 23:18 - Jun 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You'll be supporting Ukraine on Saturday then. |
My mother in law moved to the UK from Berlin in 1963, my Mrs was born here, she also had to fill a form out even though she worked and paid taxes well into her 70’s , she’s 86 now.
She did get a reply in minutes which is the only good thing as it saved her from anymore stress. |  | | |
| This shames us all in Britain on 10:49 - Jul 2 with 644 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| This shames us all in Britain on 21:11 - Jul 1 by chicoazul |
I agree but I also think not voting is just about the only way to get through to the ruling class that they don’t represent me. This idea that somehow I owe the chaps that died at Omaha Beach my vote even if I give it to people I don’t agree with is insane and I think they would agree with me. |
Would you vote if PR was used for GEs? |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 10:51 - Jul 2 with 642 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This shames us all in Britain on 10:49 - Jul 2 by Ewan_Oozami |
Would you vote if PR was used for GEs? |
On a matchday you mean? | |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 13:53 - Jul 2 with 589 views | EdwardStone |
| This shames us all in Britain on 19:33 - Jul 1 by Clapham_Junction |
Personally I think referendums are largely a bad idea.
Many issues are far too complex to be understood by the general public and decisions on them should be reserved for politicians who are elected to exercise their judgement and are guided by experts in the civil service.
Part of the role of politicians is to lead public opinion in a progressive direction and enact reforms that are the right thing to do, even if there is not necessarily public support for it at the time. A country reliant on referendums for public decision making often ends up being quite backwards - the reason Switzerland did not grant the women the right to vote until the 1970s and Liechtenstein until the 1980s was because women's suffrage could only be granted by a referendum. Two-thirds of (male) voters rejected women's suffrage in a 1959 referendum in Switzerland, and it was rejected three times in Liechtenstein
IMO the only things referendums should be used for are decisions that have no real political implications - perhaps stuff like choosing a new national anthem or flag. |
And not forgetting the all-important issue of choosing the name for the new Antarctic Supply ship
Exactly the kind of level the great unwashed should be required to furrow their collective brows
And come up with a really cr@p decision
" Just 'aving a larf" |  | | |
| This shames us all in Britain on 14:08 - Jul 2 with 575 views | chicoazul |
| This shames us all in Britain on 10:49 - Jul 2 by Ewan_Oozami |
Would you vote if PR was used for GEs? |
I would/will only vote for people who I think represent my politics. | |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 14:20 - Jul 2 with 564 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| This shames us all in Britain on 10:51 - Jul 2 by Lord_Lucan |
On a matchday you mean? |
GEs are on Thursdays so shouldn't clash with any fixtures...
Unless we get to the Prem and finish high enough to enter the Europa whatever it's called.. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 14:21]
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| This shames us all in Britain on 14:23 - Jul 2 with 556 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| This shames us all in Britain on 14:08 - Jul 2 by chicoazul |
I would/will only vote for people who I think represent my politics. |
The problem is, the only person who will ever fully represent your politics...is you... | |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 14:31 - Jul 2 with 549 views | jeera |
| This shames us all in Britain on 20:38 - Jul 1 by Lord_Lucan |
I didn't vote in the last GE
Nobody represented me
So shoot me! |
If those are your sentiments, J2 has often said if he came to power he would line up anyone against the wall who disagreed with him.
He could be your man if you're looking for a candidate. | |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 14:33 - Jul 2 with 550 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| This shames us all in Britain on 21:48 - Jun 30 by Tonytown |
To make it hard for non English speakers innit.
I’m sure the RW nutters will be on defending it soon |
A pointless and purely inflammatory post.
What right wing nutters do you have in mind? | | | |
| This shames us all in Britain on 14:43 - Jul 2 with 541 views | chicoazul |
| This shames us all in Britain on 14:23 - Jul 2 by Ewan_Oozami |
The problem is, the only person who will ever fully represent your politics...is you... |
Well….yes. I didn’t say fully. Voting almost always involves compromises | |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 09:23 - Jul 3 with 497 views | WeWereZombies |
| This shames us all in Britain on 19:58 - Jul 1 by chicoazul |
Ah the old paid with their lives gambit. Tell me, did they pay with their lives so I could NOT vote for people I didn’t like? Or does it not work that way? |
It doesn't have to be 'paid with their lives'? And why just mention Omaha Beach?
The massive queues to vote in the first democratic elections (after the fall of apartheid) in South Africa were a testament to the opportunity to join in the process that had been previously denied, and they took courage too as some intimidating tactics were happening. |  |
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| This shames us all in Britain on 11:38 - Jul 20 with 364 views | loftboy |
| This shames us all in Britain on 23:18 - Jun 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You'll be supporting Ukraine on Saturday then. |
Edited as I didn’t realise this was an old thread a did already posted â˜ºï¸ [Post edited 20 Jul 2021 11:40]
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