| Amidst all this joy... on 22:02 - Jul 4 with 706 views | vapour_trail |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:00 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
Are you suggesting I have somehow been brainwashed? |
We’ve all been brainwashed, paz.
Or are you suggesting you’re a radical free thinker? |  |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 22:03 - Jul 4 with 705 views | eireblue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 21:57 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
I wasn’t arguing that at all. I don’t care if players take the knee or not. I was just explaining what the MP had said |
No. You just repeated his ignorant position. The MP, also, had clearly not listened to the players or the manager.
I can see why you like this bunch of Tories. |  | | |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:05 - Jul 4 with 675 views | gtsb1966 |
| Amidst all this joy... on 21:56 - Jul 4 by eireblue |
So you mentioned anti-semitism earlier. Which has a clear definition.
There is also established that it is an abused minority that gets to define what is abusive.
E.g. White supremacists don’t get to tell Jewish people what is and isn’t anti-Semitic. Jewish people get to do that.
I don’t see how you can disagree with that, given that you yourself have referenced anti-semitism.
So let’s extrapolate, why, as a white older guy, do get to decide whether, how an abused minority, and supporters, get to act, is right or wrong.
Your evidence is that a minority in the crowd boo’ed?
A majority clapped.
Why do you think the minority opinion is more valid?
What harm is it actually doing, and too whom? |
I mentioned antisemitism as people on here were continually mentioning the Tory party in racist post but not mentioning Labour . Secondly as a protest , when an "abused minority" protest and members of that minority say it isn't working its time for a change. Surely you listen to the people it effects most. |  | | |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:07 - Jul 4 with 662 views | 26_Paz |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:02 - Jul 4 by vapour_trail |
We’ve all been brainwashed, paz.
Or are you suggesting you’re a radical free thinker? |
I would never describe myself as radical! I am a free thinker though. |  |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 22:14 - Jul 4 with 649 views | eireblue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:05 - Jul 4 by gtsb1966 |
I mentioned antisemitism as people on here were continually mentioning the Tory party in racist post but not mentioning Labour . Secondly as a protest , when an "abused minority" protest and members of that minority say it isn't working its time for a change. Surely you listen to the people it effects most. |
Zaha is one person, and to be precise he said on him not taking the knee “ for me personally”
On others taking the knee
“ I also fully respect my teammates and players at other clubs who continue to take the knee. ”
Zaha respects people taking the knee.
Why are you siding with a minority of people that boo, especially when they are booing people Zaha respects for taking the knee.
Who does it harm and how? | | | |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:19 - Jul 4 with 636 views | eireblue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:07 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
I would never describe myself as radical! I am a free thinker though. |
Snigger.
Freethinker: “ The term first came into use in the 17th century in order to refer to people who inquired into the basis of traditional beliefs which were often accepted unquestioningly. Today, freethinking is most closely linked with secularism, atheism, agnosticism, humanism, anti-clericalism, and religious critique.”
free-think-er frē′thÄng′kÉ™râ–º
n. One who has rejected authority and dogma, especially in religious thinking, in favor of rational inquiry and speculation.
n. One who is not guided in the formation of his beliefs by obedience to authority, but submits the claims of authority to reason as the ultimate arbiter.
Paz: I am socially conservative.
Comedy Gold Paz Man. | | | |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:24 - Jul 4 with 604 views | 26_Paz |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:19 - Jul 4 by eireblue |
Snigger.
Freethinker: “ The term first came into use in the 17th century in order to refer to people who inquired into the basis of traditional beliefs which were often accepted unquestioningly. Today, freethinking is most closely linked with secularism, atheism, agnosticism, humanism, anti-clericalism, and religious critique.”
free-think-er frē′thÄng′kÉ™râ–º
n. One who has rejected authority and dogma, especially in religious thinking, in favor of rational inquiry and speculation.
n. One who is not guided in the formation of his beliefs by obedience to authority, but submits the claims of authority to reason as the ultimate arbiter.
Paz: I am socially conservative.
Comedy Gold Paz Man. |
I obviously meant my thoughts are my own and are not influenced by external factors | |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 22:26 - Jul 4 with 599 views | gtsb1966 |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:14 - Jul 4 by eireblue |
Zaha is one person, and to be precise he said on him not taking the knee “ for me personally”
On others taking the knee
“ I also fully respect my teammates and players at other clubs who continue to take the knee. ”
Zaha respects people taking the knee.
Why are you siding with a minority of people that boo, especially when they are booing people Zaha respects for taking the knee.
Who does it harm and how? |
I'm not siding with the people who boo , I'm merely saying I think taking the knee is pointless now. I would like to see the governing bodies in football kick any side out of any competition regardless if it is players or fans who commit racism . Clubs should actively withdraw from competitions en masse and this problem in football would go very quickly. Whilst National teams and clubs make gestures Uefa/FIFA will do nothing. It would only take one or two clubs/ national teams to down tools and the rest would follow. Yes I know this is more than football but it would be a start. Football has a massive voice if used properly. | | | |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 22:27 - Jul 4 with 612 views | eireblue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:24 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
I obviously meant my thoughts are my own and are not influenced by external factors |
..no please stop, this is too funny, I’ll get the hiccups. | | | |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:42 - Jul 4 with 590 views | eireblue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:26 - Jul 4 by gtsb1966 |
I'm not siding with the people who boo , I'm merely saying I think taking the knee is pointless now. I would like to see the governing bodies in football kick any side out of any competition regardless if it is players or fans who commit racism . Clubs should actively withdraw from competitions en masse and this problem in football would go very quickly. Whilst National teams and clubs make gestures Uefa/FIFA will do nothing. It would only take one or two clubs/ national teams to down tools and the rest would follow. Yes I know this is more than football but it would be a start. Football has a massive voice if used properly. |
You also said it does more harm than good? Rather than it just being pointless.
We are taking about players that have grown up playing professional football with campaigns like “Kick It Out”, still receiving abuse, and as a group decided, to do more.
Rather than waiting around for people in power to do something, they have acted and taken action.
They didn’t have to, they choose to, and they are the ones getting abuse, not you.
Why can’t you simply respect them if they take the knee, if they choose, even if it makes you personally cringe, so what?
Why don’t you have pride in a younger generation taking some action?
I see a set of independent free thinkers taking a knee in front of an opposition team that don’t take a knee, and getting boo’s, then doing it again, and still delivering on the field.
I really don’t understand why you don’t feel pride for those guys.
All those other things you mention, sure do those as well. | | | |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:47 - Jul 4 with 580 views | footers |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:42 - Jul 4 by eireblue |
You also said it does more harm than good? Rather than it just being pointless.
We are taking about players that have grown up playing professional football with campaigns like “Kick It Out”, still receiving abuse, and as a group decided, to do more.
Rather than waiting around for people in power to do something, they have acted and taken action.
They didn’t have to, they choose to, and they are the ones getting abuse, not you.
Why can’t you simply respect them if they take the knee, if they choose, even if it makes you personally cringe, so what?
Why don’t you have pride in a younger generation taking some action?
I see a set of independent free thinkers taking a knee in front of an opposition team that don’t take a knee, and getting boo’s, then doing it again, and still delivering on the field.
I really don’t understand why you don’t feel pride for those guys.
All those other things you mention, sure do those as well. |
Please do not question him, he's from Sudbury - it's basically like Suffolk's Harlem. |  |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 23:00 - Jul 4 with 555 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:07 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
I would never describe myself as radical! I am a free thinker though. |
If you're a free thinker, why do you keep repeating the common arguments that are seen online? I'm seeing nothing unique from you. So in answer to your earlier question, yes I think you've been influenced (as we all have; it's the source of the influence that's important). |  |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 23:01 - Jul 4 with 554 views | jeera |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:42 - Jul 4 by eireblue |
You also said it does more harm than good? Rather than it just being pointless.
We are taking about players that have grown up playing professional football with campaigns like “Kick It Out”, still receiving abuse, and as a group decided, to do more.
Rather than waiting around for people in power to do something, they have acted and taken action.
They didn’t have to, they choose to, and they are the ones getting abuse, not you.
Why can’t you simply respect them if they take the knee, if they choose, even if it makes you personally cringe, so what?
Why don’t you have pride in a younger generation taking some action?
I see a set of independent free thinkers taking a knee in front of an opposition team that don’t take a knee, and getting boo’s, then doing it again, and still delivering on the field.
I really don’t understand why you don’t feel pride for those guys.
All those other things you mention, sure do those as well. |
Because when all is said and done, there cannot be many reasons left why someone, anyone, would spend hours arguing against an anti-racism gesture.
It's not possible to deduce anything other than the obvious. |  |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 08:35 - Jul 5 with 439 views | noggin |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 11:21 - Jul 5 with 399 views | Darth_Koont |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:07 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
I would never describe myself as radical! I am a free thinker though. |
In the “free from thought” sense of the words maybe ...
You come across as a bog-standard reactionary who tries and fails to justify your knee-jerk reactions. |  |
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| Amidst all this joy... on 11:22 - Jul 5 with 397 views | leitrimblue |
| Amidst all this joy... on 22:24 - Jul 4 by 26_Paz |
I obviously meant my thoughts are my own and are not influenced by external factors |
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