| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive 22:17 - Jul 16 with 7997 views | XYZ |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 12:44 - Jul 17 with 2092 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 10:02 - Jul 17 by BlueBadger |
Herd immunity level vaccination. It varies from disease to disease but around 52% of the population(as it is at present), isn't sufficient.
The current lifting of our current, very minimal, restrictions is utter, utter madness. Doubly so when you consider that cases, hospitalisations and the subsequent risk of the development of vaccine resistant strains are on the rise.
Quoting The Medical Registrar on Facebook:
'If you wanted to create a COVID variant which could escape the immune protection generated by the vaccines currently available and run riot all over again, how would you do it?
Well, firstly you need a decent proportion of your population vaccinated, but not too many. You don’t want to be at the point of herd immunity but a decent number vaccinated means a lot of contacts between infections and vaccinated individuals means the virus is being tested many times a day and eventually a mutation may cause a variant to arise which passes those tests and is therefore ‘selected for’ as it has a whole new population to infect (the vaccinated but no longer protected)
Then you make sure you have a number of different variants circling to ensure a varied playing field from the start.
Then you allow/encourage as high a rate of new infections as possible to generate all the new mutations you need.
What you’d really like is for some people with weaker immune systems who have been vaccinated to catch it, because then the virus can really mutate against selective pressures and find a way past the defence generated by the vaccine.
But no Government would be so stupid to do this would they. I mean. You’d have to be the stupidest, most irresponsible government in the world. A Government of None of the talents. It couldn’t happen. It would be a criminal dereliction of responsibility.' [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 10:17]
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I'm honestly getting bored and sick of people banging on and complaining about the same thing all the time. I think some just need to get over it and trust the government's decisions.
The way I see it, in the worst case scenario, only four things are likely to happen:
1) Thousands die or are left with lasting health problems unnecessarily.
2) Cases remain so high in the UK that foreign countries ban us from entry, and we are stuck on our backwards, sinking ship of an island, while the rest of the world eventually begins to get back on with it.
3) Mutations which resist vaccinations develop here.
4) We are forced to live, what I will begin to call the 'Because of Covid' lifestyle, indefinitely.
Like I say, worst case scenario(s), and hard to really see any of this happening because I trust the government to do whatever it takes to avoid the above.
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 12:49 - Jul 17 with 2077 views | BlueBadger |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 11:11 - Jul 17 by positivity |
has anyone developed an injection of common sense yet? that would help immensely with the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.
that and properly funding the nhs and developing better therapeutic drugs... |
And not voting Tory.
Or does that come under 'common sense'? |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:16 - Jul 17 with 2012 views | jas0999 |
This is going to be around for years. The vaccine will hopefully ensure anyone who catches it will have mild symptoms and not require hospital treatment, thus ensuring the NHS isn’t overloaded. | | | |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:20 - Jul 17 with 2006 views | Trequartista |
Nearer 12 per cent i think (88% effective), unless we are talking about different figures - and then something like another 95% chance if you get it you won't get seriously ill.
These are average figures, if you are fit and healthy your percentages rise, if you have co-morbidities / immune deficiencies, your percentages fall. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:21]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:49 - Jul 17 with 1976 views | catch74 |
Personal situation.
Four friends currently have Covid having been double jabbed . All four have felt incredibly ill, one has currently got dangerously low levels of oxygen and being called daily by a nurse.
Daughter (13) sent home from school Friday 2nd July, no symptoms, positive test on Tuesday 13th, after son’s positive test every lateral flow test (she does every day) negative. Now has to isolate until Friday 23rd. Son sent home Thursday, symptoms - tested positive Sunday. Every friend he has been talking to has tested positive - that’s 10+, 1 negative.
Very hard to find a right answer - my poor daughter, 3 weeks of isolation at such an age. My wife and I stopped the spread from our kids to our staff and then customers by isolating but reduced some hours and obviously spent a lot of extra on staff. We’ve both felt fine, all lateral flow negative and 1 PCR test negative.
We’re doing the right thing but at a cost to livelihood and well-being.
Just a question, as it doesn’t seem news worthy any more, how are countries like NZ doing now, we’ve clearly done more or less everything, other than the vaccination program incredibly badly. Now, from what Bluebadger says - we’re wrecking that too.
From a very depressed household. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 14:03 - Jul 17 with 1951 views | Trequartista |
The Health Secretary has just tested positive with very mild symptoms having been double vaccinated. He's spinning the news to emphasise that the jabs are responsible for his symptoms being very mild, which is a good spin in my view. | |
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| [Redacted] on 14:27 - Jul 17 with 1902 views | victorywilhappen |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:49 - Jul 17 by catch74 |
Personal situation.
Four friends currently have Covid having been double jabbed . All four have felt incredibly ill, one has currently got dangerously low levels of oxygen and being called daily by a nurse.
Daughter (13) sent home from school Friday 2nd July, no symptoms, positive test on Tuesday 13th, after son’s positive test every lateral flow test (she does every day) negative. Now has to isolate until Friday 23rd. Son sent home Thursday, symptoms - tested positive Sunday. Every friend he has been talking to has tested positive - that’s 10+, 1 negative.
Very hard to find a right answer - my poor daughter, 3 weeks of isolation at such an age. My wife and I stopped the spread from our kids to our staff and then customers by isolating but reduced some hours and obviously spent a lot of extra on staff. We’ve both felt fine, all lateral flow negative and 1 PCR test negative.
We’re doing the right thing but at a cost to livelihood and well-being.
Just a question, as it doesn’t seem news worthy any more, how are countries like NZ doing now, we’ve clearly done more or less everything, other than the vaccination program incredibly badly. Now, from what Bluebadger says - we’re wrecking that too.
From a very depressed household. |
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| [Redacted] on 14:33 - Jul 17 with 1882 views | victorywilhappen |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:20 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Nearer 12 per cent i think (88% effective), unless we are talking about different figures - and then something like another 95% chance if you get it you won't get seriously ill.
These are average figures, if you are fit and healthy your percentages rise, if you have co-morbidities / immune deficiencies, your percentages fall. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 13:21]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 14:38 - Jul 17 with 1869 views | Trequartista |
Yes that's a different figure, that's including the whole cohort of vaccinated people whether they are exposed to covid or not. The 88% i refer to is if you are exposed to covid, what are the chances you will become infected. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 14:39]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 15:13 - Jul 17 with 1816 views | catch74 |
Thanks VWH - it’s clearly not ideal there but we’ll see how our mess unravels. | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 15:32 - Jul 17 with 1794 views | vapour_trail |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:49 - Jul 17 by catch74 |
Personal situation.
Four friends currently have Covid having been double jabbed . All four have felt incredibly ill, one has currently got dangerously low levels of oxygen and being called daily by a nurse.
Daughter (13) sent home from school Friday 2nd July, no symptoms, positive test on Tuesday 13th, after son’s positive test every lateral flow test (she does every day) negative. Now has to isolate until Friday 23rd. Son sent home Thursday, symptoms - tested positive Sunday. Every friend he has been talking to has tested positive - that’s 10+, 1 negative.
Very hard to find a right answer - my poor daughter, 3 weeks of isolation at such an age. My wife and I stopped the spread from our kids to our staff and then customers by isolating but reduced some hours and obviously spent a lot of extra on staff. We’ve both felt fine, all lateral flow negative and 1 PCR test negative.
We’re doing the right thing but at a cost to livelihood and well-being.
Just a question, as it doesn’t seem news worthy any more, how are countries like NZ doing now, we’ve clearly done more or less everything, other than the vaccination program incredibly badly. Now, from what Bluebadger says - we’re wrecking that too.
From a very depressed household. |
You have my sympathies catch.
Three of the four of us are positive at the moment, two of us double jabbed a month or so ago. My daughter is the only one who doesn’t have it and she has locked herself away as she’s supposed to be bridesmaid in about 12 days time for a wedding taking place a year late. I have visions of her testing positive as the rest of us come out of it and being in the same sorry place as your little one.
All the best. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 15:50 - Jul 17 with 1765 views | catch74 |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 15:32 - Jul 17 by vapour_trail |
You have my sympathies catch.
Three of the four of us are positive at the moment, two of us double jabbed a month or so ago. My daughter is the only one who doesn’t have it and she has locked herself away as she’s supposed to be bridesmaid in about 12 days time for a wedding taking place a year late. I have visions of her testing positive as the rest of us come out of it and being in the same sorry place as your little one.
All the best. |
Oh man - hope all goes as well as it can. | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 16:59 - Jul 17 with 1709 views | BlueBadger |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 14:03 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
The Health Secretary has just tested positive with very mild symptoms having been double vaccinated. He's spinning the news to emphasise that the jabs are responsible for his symptoms being very mild, which is a good spin in my view. |
He'd also been making a big thing about how he's not intending on wearing a mask after Monday until it was pointed our what a f**king stupid thing that was for a health secretary to be saying during a pandemic, which is frankly, irresponsible spin. [Post edited 18 Jul 2021 0:16]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 17:04 - Jul 17 with 1692 views | jeera |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 15:32 - Jul 17 by vapour_trail |
You have my sympathies catch.
Three of the four of us are positive at the moment, two of us double jabbed a month or so ago. My daughter is the only one who doesn’t have it and she has locked herself away as she’s supposed to be bridesmaid in about 12 days time for a wedding taking place a year late. I have visions of her testing positive as the rest of us come out of it and being in the same sorry place as your little one.
All the best. |
Crikey mate, hope you all keep well and that your girl gets to be bridesmaid as planned. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 17:06 - Jul 17 with 1683 views | jeera |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 15:50 - Jul 17 by catch74 |
Oh man - hope all goes as well as it can. |
Doesn't sound like you're having it easy either at all.
Sorry to read all that. Really hope you all keep safe and things improve all round. | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 17:12 - Jul 17 with 1669 views | catch74 |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 17:06 - Jul 17 by jeera |
Doesn't sound like you're having it easy either at all.
Sorry to read all that. Really hope you all keep safe and things improve all round. |
Thanks Jeera, hopefully get through this and somehow the country does too. | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 20:36 - Jul 17 with 1580 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 14:38 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Yes that's a different figure, that's including the whole cohort of vaccinated people whether they are exposed to covid or not. The 88% i refer to is if you are exposed to covid, what are the chances you will become infected. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 14:39]
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Indeed, it has been pointed out this is a figure irrelevant of exposure from Denmark. Not an efficacy test of the vaccine at all. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 20:46 - Jul 17 with 1563 views | Plums |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 11:24 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
You have to incentivise them and that would have been via C19 passports to do things (with specific exemptions for people who require them). However the libertarians have ensured that won't happen (see also the complaints on here) so we are now conducting an experiment in genetic optimisation.
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If the blonde chancer had agreed a figure with the experts and told the country “if we get to xx% of the adult population double jabbed we’ll get cracking with removing restrictions”. We’d have been on a very different path. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 21:12 - Jul 17 with 1524 views | victorywilhappen |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 20:36 - Jul 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed, it has been pointed out this is a figure irrelevant of exposure from Denmark. Not an efficacy test of the vaccine at all. |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 21:17 - Jul 17 with 1511 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
But the article you quote from Denmark does not appear to be from a scientific study at all. It appears to be an analysis of data of those who have tested positive having received 2 vaccines - without any reference to timescale or rate of testing or exposure.
As I say, I am not a statistician and the article is very lacking on detail but it does not appear to fit with published data from actual scientific studies on vaccine efficacy.
Feel free to point out the scientific study that the article is actually based on.
EDIT: For the Danish article take, for example, the following:
"The figures released by SSI cover the period up to the end of June." alongside ...
"The 1,233 infections occurred amongst 1.6 million people who completed vaccination between December 27th, 2020 and June 30th, 2021."
So the latest vaccinated people in the cohort considered have been studied for 0 days. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 21:20]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 21:21 - Jul 17 with 1500 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:36 - Jul 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Yep, the very high % efficacy is just against serious illness and hospitalisation.
It doesn’t necessarily stop you catching it.
Hope he is ok, but as you say it is madness to do what we are on the 19th |
And even with the reasonably high protection from vaccines, when you’ve got so many new cases each day (50k plus) it still means that potentially thousands of people a day can get seriously ill. People don’t seem to understand this - they think they’re completely protected and unable to transmit it once double jabbed. Which simply isn’t the case.
We’ve had 18 months to learn this stuff. So fkn depressing. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 21:41 - Jul 17 with 1471 views | victorywilhappen |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 21:17 - Jul 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
But the article you quote from Denmark does not appear to be from a scientific study at all. It appears to be an analysis of data of those who have tested positive having received 2 vaccines - without any reference to timescale or rate of testing or exposure.
As I say, I am not a statistician and the article is very lacking on detail but it does not appear to fit with published data from actual scientific studies on vaccine efficacy.
Feel free to point out the scientific study that the article is actually based on.
EDIT: For the Danish article take, for example, the following:
"The figures released by SSI cover the period up to the end of June." alongside ...
"The 1,233 infections occurred amongst 1.6 million people who completed vaccination between December 27th, 2020 and June 30th, 2021."
So the latest vaccinated people in the cohort considered have been studied for 0 days. [Post edited 17 Jul 2021 21:20]
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 21:50 - Jul 17 with 1449 views | Vic |
We really do need to get some sort of peer pressure onto those who refuse to be vaccinated. It’s easy to blame the government for getting things wrong (as they have) but if it became socially unacceptable not to be vaccinated that be a start. Same with masks. Let’s turn some fire onto the idiots who flout the freedom and insist on going maskless. |  |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:10 - Jul 17 with 1415 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 13:49 - Jul 17 by catch74 |
Personal situation.
Four friends currently have Covid having been double jabbed . All four have felt incredibly ill, one has currently got dangerously low levels of oxygen and being called daily by a nurse.
Daughter (13) sent home from school Friday 2nd July, no symptoms, positive test on Tuesday 13th, after son’s positive test every lateral flow test (she does every day) negative. Now has to isolate until Friday 23rd. Son sent home Thursday, symptoms - tested positive Sunday. Every friend he has been talking to has tested positive - that’s 10+, 1 negative.
Very hard to find a right answer - my poor daughter, 3 weeks of isolation at such an age. My wife and I stopped the spread from our kids to our staff and then customers by isolating but reduced some hours and obviously spent a lot of extra on staff. We’ve both felt fine, all lateral flow negative and 1 PCR test negative.
We’re doing the right thing but at a cost to livelihood and well-being.
Just a question, as it doesn’t seem news worthy any more, how are countries like NZ doing now, we’ve clearly done more or less everything, other than the vaccination program incredibly badly. Now, from what Bluebadger says - we’re wrecking that too.
From a very depressed household. |
Fingers crossed your family don’t get anything too bad and your friends make a full recovery.
NZ are doing fine. They had the first wave, but their zero covid approach has kept it in check ever since. Consistently only having up to about 10 or 12 cases a day since last spring and they seem to be able to isolate those and stop further spread:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/ | |
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| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 22:39 - Jul 17 with 1382 views | jeera |
| Nephew double vacced with pfizer (months ago) tests positive on 21:50 - Jul 17 by Vic |
We really do need to get some sort of peer pressure onto those who refuse to be vaccinated. It’s easy to blame the government for getting things wrong (as they have) but if it became socially unacceptable not to be vaccinated that be a start. Same with masks. Let’s turn some fire onto the idiots who flout the freedom and insist on going maskless. |
Whatever happened to public information films?
I know we went through a short spell last year of a few 'wash hands, keep distance etc' but since then, not a great deal on that front.
Surely the way to communicate at times of crisis is through people's living rooms.
"Want a girlfriend? Learn to swim young man, learn to swim."
"Don't want to kill your nan? Don't be a selfish dick. Go out, enjoy your freedom, just take a bit of responsibility for yourself whilst you're at it."
Maybe an old boy with a mask; "This is how I managed to live so long."
That and signalling at junctions on his bike. | |
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