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Fair or unfair 10:51 - Aug 2 with 3558 viewsgtsb1966

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/57989022.amp
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Fair or unfair on 15:18 - Aug 2 with 769 viewschicoazul

Fair or unfair on 15:13 - Aug 2 by JakeITFC

Feels like that would literally be othering.


Why do we have a Paralympics then.

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Fair or unfair on 15:19 - Aug 2 with 766 viewsWD19

Fair or unfair on 15:18 - Aug 2 by chicoazul

Why do we have a Paralympics then.


If you are doing requests, can we have an Olympics for shortish lazy people, with poor balance and coordination please?
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Fair or unfair on 15:27 - Aug 2 with 748 viewsJakeITFC

Fair or unfair on 15:18 - Aug 2 by chicoazul

Why do we have a Paralympics then.


So that people with disabilities can compete with fellow sportspeople on a level playing field? Paralympians are of course not banned from the Olympics.
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Fair or unfair on 15:31 - Aug 2 with 742 viewsbluelagos

Fair or unfair on 15:27 - Aug 2 by JakeITFC

So that people with disabilities can compete with fellow sportspeople on a level playing field? Paralympians are of course not banned from the Olympics.


They are, though there was some debate over whether Oscar Pistorius should be allowed to compete given the advantage his blades gave him.

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Fair or unfair on 15:33 - Aug 2 with 736 viewschicoazul

Fair or unfair on 15:27 - Aug 2 by JakeITFC

So that people with disabilities can compete with fellow sportspeople on a level playing field? Paralympians are of course not banned from the Olympics.


Is someone who has benefitted from being born male & then competes with females on a level playing field? I dunno mane.

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Fair or unfair on 15:39 - Aug 2 with 711 viewsRyorry

Fair or unfair on 15:19 - Aug 2 by WD19

If you are doing requests, can we have an Olympics for shortish lazy people, with poor balance and coordination please?


And over 70s females. Ta.

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Fair or unfair on 15:44 - Aug 2 with 700 viewsbluelagos

Nice article on the topic in hand

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/first-trans-olympian-laurel-hubbard-given-standing-ov

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Fair or unfair on 15:45 - Aug 2 with 699 viewsRyorry

Fair or unfair on 14:07 - Aug 2 by Durovigutum

I can't believe this debate takes up so much airtime when we're talking about 0.3% of the population. Hundreds of millions of displaced refugees, people so desperate they get in a dingy to cross the Med or Channel, people relying on Foodbanks, but we have this debate instead.

It's the ultimate first world problem, change the competition rules to indicate categories as sex at birth and accept that if you wish to continue competing you have to sacrifice something.

It's also notable how, again, it is biological women getting undermined in this "debate". 49% of the population being ignored or called names if they dare have an opinion.


There aren't any regulations (yet, tho with the current bunch of 'corrumpere potestate civilibus ad insaniam convertunt' entrenched in Westminster, who knows ...) - to stop anyone discussing both - as you'd see on this forum, if you scroll back a bit.

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Fair or unfair on 15:54 - Aug 2 with 689 viewsitfcjoe

Fair or unfair on 15:44 - Aug 2 by bluelagos

Nice article on the topic in hand

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/first-trans-olympian-laurel-hubbard-given-standing-ov


Just a puff piece really, not looking at the actual issues at hand - much easier to do when she has gone out in the first round.

I think it would have been better for the IOC had she medalled and the conversation is had properly now before certain countires begin to use this ruling to their advantage (when you see what the Eastern bloc did in the 70s and 80s it will happen.....) but that was never likely to happen.

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Fair or unfair on 15:58 - Aug 2 with 685 viewsbluelagos

Fair or unfair on 15:54 - Aug 2 by itfcjoe

Just a puff piece really, not looking at the actual issues at hand - much easier to do when she has gone out in the first round.

I think it would have been better for the IOC had she medalled and the conversation is had properly now before certain countires begin to use this ruling to their advantage (when you see what the Eastern bloc did in the 70s and 80s it will happen.....) but that was never likely to happen.


It is, but maybe we take one step at a time I guess. And it is a positive step, no question imho. Can you imagine how the same discussion would have gone say just 5 years ago on here?

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Fair or unfair on 16:16 - Aug 2 with 661 viewsJakeITFC

Fair or unfair on 15:33 - Aug 2 by chicoazul

Is someone who has benefitted from being born male & then competes with females on a level playing field? I dunno mane.


I guess my point is that the Paralympics are about increasing inclusivity and what you suggest does the opposite.
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Fair or unfair on 18:42 - Aug 2 with 602 viewsronnyd

Fair or unfair on 14:47 - Aug 2 by WD19

And she now knows where to find a jerk if she needs one….


Keep it clean. Gets coat and leaves.
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Fair or unfair on 19:51 - Aug 2 with 575 viewsfactual_blue

Yes.

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Fair or unfair on 21:05 - Aug 2 with 537 viewsBlueandTruesince82

I think South Park hit the nail on the head with this already



People are free to Identify however they wish, that's fine, but from a sporting POV there is surely an advantage

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Fair or unfair on 21:20 - Aug 2 with 515 viewslowhouseblue

Fair or unfair on 11:30 - Aug 2 by itfcjoe

Unfair - there's a reason why those born male and those born female do not compete together and it's because those who have gone through male puberty and all that brings will always have an advantage.

No female has ever come within 10% of the top 1000 males in the world in athletic events.

The fact that the average age for a weightlifter is 23, and Hubbard is 43 tells you enough. Some poor Kiwi woman misses out because the IOC take the ludicrous line that transwomen are women in every circumstance and fail to apply either science or common sense in this case.

Women's sport is a protected category, and the reason is because simply they are not able to compete with men - in the same way children don't compete with adults


if biology was irrelevant we'd be discussing trans-men competing in male events. but of course we aren't.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Fair or unfair on 21:41 - Aug 2 with 482 viewsFelstow1978

Fair or unfair on 11:28 - Aug 2 by mrshallisfit

With my beer googles on..........


Even through the lens of an empty Newky Brown bottle it would require a gold medal standard of onanistic endeavour

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Fair or unfair on 23:37 - Aug 2 with 419 viewsRyorry

Fair or unfair on 21:20 - Aug 2 by lowhouseblue

if biology was irrelevant we'd be discussing trans-men competing in male events. but of course we aren't.



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