| Record GCSE results after record A Level results 09:48 - Aug 12 with 4692 views | chicoazul |
Wow, kids really must be so much cleverer these days. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:27 - Aug 12 with 1293 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:02 - Aug 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Results always go up year-on-year. It is partly due to better teaching. Partly it is due to an increase in practice material from the syllabus and a better understanding of where examiners are focussing. It is partly down to an increase in knowledge overall. As I say, I can guarantee you would not achieve the same grade now unless you are in a career that enables you to keep abreast of the most recent developments in the syllabus.
EDIT: It is part of the reason why the syllabus changes regularly and partly behind Gove's complete reset to have numbers instead of letters.
SECOND EDIT: Knowledge and ability to pass exams is different from "cleverness" too. [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:04]
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So what are so many people in the profession and out of it moaning about? We hear all the time about lack of resources and poor infrastructure and wicked Tories and here we are, record results yet again. Like I say kids must simply be much cleverer these days, as in fact you allude to with your comments about me doing a GCSE now. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:27 - Aug 12 with 1290 views | eireblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:23 - Aug 12 by Cotty |
You are correct, in that the reporting, and your understanding, are both lacking. |
What, Chico is posting from a position of ignorance?
Could it really be so!
As an aside, I recall reading an article on whether humans have become more intelligent.
Part of the article was pointing out that brains act a bit like muscles, given them some loading and they get stronger, hence why London Cabbies have a bigger part of the brain.
The children going through these times, and having to do exams are dealing with so much more, at an age where they are still developing. Just like developing muscles doing one thing, helps with another, the brain is very possibly similar. E.g. dealing with more cognitive load and stress, makes your brain better.
A child getting through this and doing very well at school under these circumstances, I tip my hat to them, yea they probably will come through this and end up “cleverer” for it. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:41 - Aug 12 with 1265 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:27 - Aug 12 by eireblue |
What, Chico is posting from a position of ignorance?
Could it really be so!
As an aside, I recall reading an article on whether humans have become more intelligent.
Part of the article was pointing out that brains act a bit like muscles, given them some loading and they get stronger, hence why London Cabbies have a bigger part of the brain.
The children going through these times, and having to do exams are dealing with so much more, at an age where they are still developing. Just like developing muscles doing one thing, helps with another, the brain is very possibly similar. E.g. dealing with more cognitive load and stress, makes your brain better.
A child getting through this and doing very well at school under these circumstances, I tip my hat to them, yea they probably will come through this and end up “cleverer” for it. |
As I tried to point out to Chico without success clearly, there is a difference between knowledge and intelligence.
Definitely, there is an increase in knowledge. The amount of knowledge in the current GCSE and A level syllabuses compared with 15 years ago is insane.
That said, the current system examines a combination of knowledge and intelligence with no small amount of exam technique too. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:52 - Aug 12 with 1245 views | RadioOrwell |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:04 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Nobody is mocking kids mate. I’ve specifically said who I’m referring to.
I’m still confused about the exams. You and others have said the children have taken exams. The bbc says “record year of GCSE results after second year of no exams”. I agree education is dysfunctional though. |
The exams where they sat in large halls, in rows, exam conditions, no talking, "turn you papers", put your hand up if you want to go to the loo, "you have 1 hour and 30 minutes", with invigilators ( like me ).
Those exams. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 18:22 - Aug 12 with 1209 views | Tonytown |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:27 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
So what are so many people in the profession and out of it moaning about? We hear all the time about lack of resources and poor infrastructure and wicked Tories and here we are, record results yet again. Like I say kids must simply be much cleverer these days, as in fact you allude to with your comments about me doing a GCSE now. |
As Blackadder once said, please please please. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 18:28 - Aug 12 with 1197 views | RadioOrwell |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:27 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
So what are so many people in the profession and out of it moaning about? We hear all the time about lack of resources and poor infrastructure and wicked Tories and here we are, record results yet again. Like I say kids must simply be much cleverer these days, as in fact you allude to with your comments about me doing a GCSE now. |
Please stop. Find a teacher and talk to them. | | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 21:13 - Aug 12 with 1130 views | TractorFrog |
The way it worked is that there were three sets of exams for each subject, instead of the usual one. These exams were the same difficulty as normal GCSEs, but the difference was that we were given more specific detail as to what topics to revise. Rather than just having to revise everything done the last few years, we were told exactly which topics would come up for each of the three exams, which of course made revision easier. The teachers then took the best two of the three exams, as well as a sum of the work done up to that point, as the three pieces of evidence and used those to get the final grades. So the system was beneficial as we had more of an idea as to what would come up in the exam, and we were also given more chances to do well, so I understand your annoyance and agree with you that it was a little unfair. But the actual exams were no more difficult to normal so it wasn't as much of an advantage as it may look at first glance. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 21:39 - Aug 12 with 1099 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 21:13 - Aug 12 by TractorFrog |
The way it worked is that there were three sets of exams for each subject, instead of the usual one. These exams were the same difficulty as normal GCSEs, but the difference was that we were given more specific detail as to what topics to revise. Rather than just having to revise everything done the last few years, we were told exactly which topics would come up for each of the three exams, which of course made revision easier. The teachers then took the best two of the three exams, as well as a sum of the work done up to that point, as the three pieces of evidence and used those to get the final grades. So the system was beneficial as we had more of an idea as to what would come up in the exam, and we were also given more chances to do well, so I understand your annoyance and agree with you that it was a little unfair. But the actual exams were no more difficult to normal so it wasn't as much of an advantage as it may look at first glance. |
I hope you did well.
And ignore the haters. In ten years time everyone will have forgotten this argument and you will be applying for jobs, and getting them, on merit. | | | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 21:57 - Aug 12 with 1080 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 21:13 - Aug 12 by TractorFrog |
The way it worked is that there were three sets of exams for each subject, instead of the usual one. These exams were the same difficulty as normal GCSEs, but the difference was that we were given more specific detail as to what topics to revise. Rather than just having to revise everything done the last few years, we were told exactly which topics would come up for each of the three exams, which of course made revision easier. The teachers then took the best two of the three exams, as well as a sum of the work done up to that point, as the three pieces of evidence and used those to get the final grades. So the system was beneficial as we had more of an idea as to what would come up in the exam, and we were also given more chances to do well, so I understand your annoyance and agree with you that it was a little unfair. But the actual exams were no more difficult to normal so it wasn't as much of an advantage as it may look at first glance. |
It was completely different to normal here in Wales. Exams were held as they went along in a classroom setting and I think there was a fair amount of continuous assessment too. My niece was done and finished for the year long before when exams would normally have been taken.
I'm not making any judgements about it all though. It is what it is. The exam boards were happy and pupils have had a sh*t 18 months. Good luck to all of them. Anyone trying to infer too much from this very different year or make political points about it is a bit too obsessive imo. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 22:51 - Aug 12 with 1044 views | Tonytown |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:27 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
So what are so many people in the profession and out of it moaning about? We hear all the time about lack of resources and poor infrastructure and wicked Tories and here we are, record results yet again. Like I say kids must simply be much cleverer these days, as in fact you allude to with your comments about me doing a GCSE now. |
Just admit you got it wrong rather than try to wriggle | | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:19 - Aug 13 with 977 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 21:13 - Aug 12 by TractorFrog |
The way it worked is that there were three sets of exams for each subject, instead of the usual one. These exams were the same difficulty as normal GCSEs, but the difference was that we were given more specific detail as to what topics to revise. Rather than just having to revise everything done the last few years, we were told exactly which topics would come up for each of the three exams, which of course made revision easier. The teachers then took the best two of the three exams, as well as a sum of the work done up to that point, as the three pieces of evidence and used those to get the final grades. So the system was beneficial as we had more of an idea as to what would come up in the exam, and we were also given more chances to do well, so I understand your annoyance and agree with you that it was a little unfair. But the actual exams were no more difficult to normal so it wasn't as much of an advantage as it may look at first glance. |
Wow.
Thank you for this, very interesting. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:19 - Aug 13 with 976 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 22:51 - Aug 12 by Tonytown |
Just admit you got it wrong rather than try to wriggle |
Got what wrong? | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:50 - Aug 13 with 957 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:19 - Aug 13 by chicoazul |
Wow.
Thank you for this, very interesting. |
What was an issue was that not all pupils sat tests on the same day or even week and pupils definitely wouldn't share details of what past paper was being sat now would they.
To Junior's credit she refused to partake and wanted an honest assessment of her abilities.
Edit..distancing rules also meant that teachers were not seeing calculators used in non calculator exams or various cheat sheets. [Post edited 13 Aug 2021 9:13]
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 09:06 - Aug 13 with 937 views | bluelagos |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:50 - Aug 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What was an issue was that not all pupils sat tests on the same day or even week and pupils definitely wouldn't share details of what past paper was being sat now would they.
To Junior's credit she refused to partake and wanted an honest assessment of her abilities.
Edit..distancing rules also meant that teachers were not seeing calculators used in non calculator exams or various cheat sheets. [Post edited 13 Aug 2021 9:13]
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There are a couple of issues around the overall grades being so much higher than previous years.
Chico is trolling / looking to wind people up - but leaving him aside, the fact that grades (particularly) A levels have risen so much is undeniable.
And assuming that the standards of teaching & studying hasn't risen (Seems unlikely at a time when teaching & learning has been more difficult) then it's fair to assume the rigorous assessments have been subject to subconscious bias by many teachers assessing the many pupils.
Where it kind of does matter is that across the board that pupils have been assessed in this way yet private schools seem to have risen more than state schools. Some of that will be down to better access to learning and maybe more parental engagement, but be in no doubt, the educational gaps have risen.
Post University A Level grades will count for less and less as careers develop, so the fact we have a year (or 2) with higher grades than past or future pupils won't matter so much.
And I'll say this without hesitation to any younguns reading this, sounds like you and your teachers have done an amazing job to keep on learning and to get decent assessments done. They may not be perfect but given the circumstances it seems pretty good all things considered.
As for the growing attainment gap ref disadvantaged kids, lets not forget the govt advisor on this resigned after the govt only committed to around 10% of the funding he reported as being needed so manage this. This government refused to address this issue adequately and we now see the consequences in privately educated kids doing proportionately better than state school pupils.
Leveling up my arse. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 09:09 - Aug 13 with 933 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 09:06 - Aug 13 by bluelagos |
There are a couple of issues around the overall grades being so much higher than previous years.
Chico is trolling / looking to wind people up - but leaving him aside, the fact that grades (particularly) A levels have risen so much is undeniable.
And assuming that the standards of teaching & studying hasn't risen (Seems unlikely at a time when teaching & learning has been more difficult) then it's fair to assume the rigorous assessments have been subject to subconscious bias by many teachers assessing the many pupils.
Where it kind of does matter is that across the board that pupils have been assessed in this way yet private schools seem to have risen more than state schools. Some of that will be down to better access to learning and maybe more parental engagement, but be in no doubt, the educational gaps have risen.
Post University A Level grades will count for less and less as careers develop, so the fact we have a year (or 2) with higher grades than past or future pupils won't matter so much.
And I'll say this without hesitation to any younguns reading this, sounds like you and your teachers have done an amazing job to keep on learning and to get decent assessments done. They may not be perfect but given the circumstances it seems pretty good all things considered.
As for the growing attainment gap ref disadvantaged kids, lets not forget the govt advisor on this resigned after the govt only committed to around 10% of the funding he reported as being needed so manage this. This government refused to address this issue adequately and we now see the consequences in privately educated kids doing proportionately better than state school pupils.
Leveling up my arse. |
“private schools seem to have risen more than state schools. Some of that will be down to better access to learning and maybe more parental engagement”
Everybody knows why that REALLY is though. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 10:02 - Aug 13 with 908 views | N2_Blue |
Not saying anyone doesn't deserve their results in a tough year but i think there is a fair point being made here.
Not all students are the same standard. Surely the losers are the top percentage of students who would always achieve a top mark. Now they are grouped together and not distinguished from thousands of other students with the same grade.
It's lovely to think that all these students are suddenly the same level of A grade ability, but that's just not the case is it. Will some top level students now potentially miss out on places due to over demand because nothing distinguishes between the caliber of candidate any more. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 10:43 - Aug 13 with 870 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:50 - Aug 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What was an issue was that not all pupils sat tests on the same day or even week and pupils definitely wouldn't share details of what past paper was being sat now would they.
To Junior's credit she refused to partake and wanted an honest assessment of her abilities.
Edit..distancing rules also meant that teachers were not seeing calculators used in non calculator exams or various cheat sheets. [Post edited 13 Aug 2021 9:13]
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That isn't actually true.
Any school/centre that had more than one cohort doing the same paper had to do them on the same day. However, due to the organisation of it, they did not necessarily have to do it in the same sitting. I am not convinced rigorous measures to prevent passing on information were then in place everywhere. However, since exams are very much a competition against each other, sharing with others at the same centre would be counter-productive. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 10:55 - Aug 13 with 846 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 10:43 - Aug 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That isn't actually true.
Any school/centre that had more than one cohort doing the same paper had to do them on the same day. However, due to the organisation of it, they did not necessarily have to do it in the same sitting. I am not convinced rigorous measures to prevent passing on information were then in place everywhere. However, since exams are very much a competition against each other, sharing with others at the same centre would be counter-productive. |
Do you honestly think children decided to engage in some John Nash- style Fck You Buddy gameification during the exam cycle? Or the teachers? | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 11:23 - Aug 13 with 821 views | RadioOrwell |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 08:50 - Aug 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What was an issue was that not all pupils sat tests on the same day or even week and pupils definitely wouldn't share details of what past paper was being sat now would they.
To Junior's credit she refused to partake and wanted an honest assessment of her abilities.
Edit..distancing rules also meant that teachers were not seeing calculators used in non calculator exams or various cheat sheets. [Post edited 13 Aug 2021 9:13]
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Our exams were held in exactly the same way as normal. So exactly the same chance of cheating - ie. very little. | | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:38 - Aug 13 with 764 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 11:23 - Aug 13 by RadioOrwell |
Our exams were held in exactly the same way as normal. So exactly the same chance of cheating - ie. very little. |
To be fair, that did vary somewhat from school to school. Which is one of the reasons why proper exams would have been better. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:40 - Aug 13 with 732 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 10:43 - Aug 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That isn't actually true.
Any school/centre that had more than one cohort doing the same paper had to do them on the same day. However, due to the organisation of it, they did not necessarily have to do it in the same sitting. I am not convinced rigorous measures to prevent passing on information were then in place everywhere. However, since exams are very much a competition against each other, sharing with others at the same centre would be counter-productive. |
I can promise you it is entirely true. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:42 - Aug 13 with 725 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:40 - Aug 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I can promise you it is entirely true. |
Please report any school that sat the same assessment on a different day. They broke the rules and the exam board will take a very dim view of it. The rules were very clear. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:42 - Aug 13 with 725 views | RadioOrwell |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:38 - Aug 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair, that did vary somewhat from school to school. Which is one of the reasons why proper exams would have been better. |
I don't see what point you are making.
You're saying some schools are better at stopping cheats than others.
How does that change anything when comparing these exams to "proper" exams ? | | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:58 - Aug 13 with 698 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:42 - Aug 13 by RadioOrwell |
I don't see what point you are making.
You're saying some schools are better at stopping cheats than others.
How does that change anything when comparing these exams to "proper" exams ? |
I mean the way these assessments were administered was not the same as the way exams are. For a start, there were not invigilators but the classroom teachers instead. Not all exams were in exam halls either. Most that I am aware of took place in classrooms and there were far more allegations of malpractice than I have ever known before. It even led to one assessment being totally disregarded and having a different one set on a different date instead at one place I am aware of. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 15:20 - Aug 13 with 693 views | BlueNomad |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:58 - Aug 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I mean the way these assessments were administered was not the same as the way exams are. For a start, there were not invigilators but the classroom teachers instead. Not all exams were in exam halls either. Most that I am aware of took place in classrooms and there were far more allegations of malpractice than I have ever known before. It even led to one assessment being totally disregarded and having a different one set on a different date instead at one place I am aware of. |
In many schools exams WERE held under exactly the same conditions as other years. Invigilators were used and teachers were not allowed in the hall / gym. |  | | |
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