| Record GCSE results after record A Level results 09:48 - Aug 12 with 4694 views | chicoazul |
Wow, kids really must be so much cleverer these days. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:28 - Aug 12 with 1049 views | Vaughan8 |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:25 - Aug 12 by DinDjarin |
Gonna be a problem when everyone expects their first choice university and there are not enough places. |
I was thinking this after the A Level results. Uni's aren't going to have spaces for all these people.
ALso, what I found strange was the news saying "They deserve these (better) grades after the year they've had".
Seems like every generation thinks the next lot are "easier" exams/grades. I suppose only time will tell. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:33 - Aug 12 with 1027 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 11:59 - Aug 12 by Wallingford_Boy |
Please stop posting. |
You all think it but only Chico is brave enough to say it. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:34 - Aug 12 with 1019 views | Chondzoresk |
The kids have done remarkably well. Resilient through the Covid. Well done students and teachers.
The op must have an issue with our great education system that's massively under funded, under staffed. Under huge amounts of pressure. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:34 - Aug 12 with 1017 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:25 - Aug 12 by DinDjarin |
Gonna be a problem when everyone expects their first choice university and there are not enough places. |
Leeds are paying prospective students in some subjects 10k to defer for a year, and will pay their first years’ rent when they start. Haha! What a world. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:35 - Aug 12 with 1012 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:33 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
You all think it but only Chico is brave enough to say it. |
My lad got his results today and you are belittling his success.
So yeah, appreciate it if you engaged your one brain cell before posting in future. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:39 - Aug 12 with 990 views | lowhouseblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:28 - Aug 12 by Vaughan8 |
I was thinking this after the A Level results. Uni's aren't going to have spaces for all these people.
ALso, what I found strange was the news saying "They deserve these (better) grades after the year they've had".
Seems like every generation thinks the next lot are "easier" exams/grades. I suppose only time will tell. |
it's not that because of covid they 'deserve' better grades, but because of covid and the hugely different impact it has had across schools and individuals there just isn't a safe and fair way of separating people. anything else would be perceived as unfair and wouldn't have public confidence. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:40 - Aug 12 with 987 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:35 - Aug 12 by Wallingford_Boy |
My lad got his results today and you are belittling his success.
So yeah, appreciate it if you engaged your one brain cell before posting in future. |
What I am belittling, to be super clear for the hard of thinking, is the system and some of the people that work in it, not yours or anyone else’s child. This is the usual straw man argument whenever this topic comes up, “won’t someone think of the (my) children”. It can’t have escaped anyone’s attention that these record results have happened after they have been assessed by teachers and mocks, not exams. So if anything covid may have done these kids a huge favour. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:55 - Aug 12 with 960 views | RadioOrwell |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:40 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
What I am belittling, to be super clear for the hard of thinking, is the system and some of the people that work in it, not yours or anyone else’s child. This is the usual straw man argument whenever this topic comes up, “won’t someone think of the (my) children”. It can’t have escaped anyone’s attention that these record results have happened after they have been assessed by teachers and mocks, not exams. So if anything covid may have done these kids a huge favour. |
They did take exams you plank. |  | | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:07 - Aug 12 with 941 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 12:40 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
What I am belittling, to be super clear for the hard of thinking, is the system and some of the people that work in it, not yours or anyone else’s child. This is the usual straw man argument whenever this topic comes up, “won’t someone think of the (my) children”. It can’t have escaped anyone’s attention that these record results have happened after they have been assessed by teachers and mocks, not exams. So if anything covid may have done these kids a huge favour. |
Seriously, you are still posting?!
btw they took exams. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:11 - Aug 12 with 934 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:07 - Aug 12 by Wallingford_Boy |
Seriously, you are still posting?!
btw they took exams. |
Yes Wallers sadly for you I am.
What exams? | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:21 - Aug 12 with 918 views | SitfcB |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:15 - Aug 12 with 861 views | BlueNomad |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 13:11 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Yes Wallers sadly for you I am.
What exams? |
You are now compounding your position by being deliberately offensive. You know what Wallers was referring to and I commend his child for battling through uncertainty, online learning, exams, moving goalposts and doubtless concerns about covid. You aren’t looking too good on this thread. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:24 - Aug 12 with 846 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:15 - Aug 12 by BlueNomad |
You are now compounding your position by being deliberately offensive. You know what Wallers was referring to and I commend his child for battling through uncertainty, online learning, exams, moving goalposts and doubtless concerns about covid. You aren’t looking too good on this thread. |
Cry more. What exams? | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 15:59 - Aug 12 with 793 views | Mullet |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:24 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Cry more. What exams? |
I get you're trolling and whatnot but this sort of sub Clarkson attitude towards exams at any time, let alone now is particularly callous. It's also one of the main reasons education in this country is dysfunctional.
If you want a personal perspective, my kids sat 4 exams when asked. They were spaced on consecutive days over two weeks. The exam board essentially didn't give us any real help when I arranged a meeting (possibly for fear of any culpability). The government the same.
Some subjects had bits taken out and were told in advance, others like mine weren't. We had no idea if we had to teach the whole course, selected parts etc. until very late. Some schools will have used this to game the system - the fact that the gap and inflation is overwhelmingly at the "white privileged" end of the educational spectrum is something which people don't seem to be exploring very keenly. But it plays into wider trends in education.
However, not only did mine take these 4 exams, they were shorter, with me supervising from the front. Could I have cheated? Definitely, would I? Never. Can all staff across the country say the same? I suspect not.
Likewise, I could have just selected the best scores from the 4 and not taken an average. I could have ignored their mock results done properly early in year 11. I added them to the average and even the ones they did in year 10 so each kid have a long path of results. Averaged out. That way I can in good conscience show where they came from, how they improved and didn't etc.
Many got 7-9's in the final one or two but not overall, some still failed either because the fear of failure, lack of support, special needs etc was just too much to overcome. They didn't have the 2 weeks of exam stress, burnout and long days like usual. They didn't have the reasons and excuses to give up or panic or get demoralised like many of our kids do in traditional exam settings. Parents could give them more space / help / time as could we.
This probably speaks to why the system Gove introduced doesn't work unless you're a kid like Gove (and Thatcher et al) and go to grammar schools or live in an environment similar to those and above. Because that's who this country's education system is designed to benefit and often it does.
We can only talk about trends and stereotypes and exceptions, there are plenty of those. But in the last 2 years, with at least another one of uncertainty and monumental ineptitude from Williamson, his predecessor and likely his successor, the kids are always the wrong targets.
With little to no guidance, support or communication once again the can is placed back in our hands at school level. We've done the job of the exam boards for free, yet they have the final say and the power to hold us to account, not the other way around. Same as the government.
It's a mess. It's unfair. It's going to lead to a generation of kids having to justify themselves unnecessarily for a long time to come. So in the nicest possible way, kindly knock this sh1t on the head. You're better than mocking kids doing what they could and trusting those doing the same. |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:04 - Aug 12 with 788 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 15:59 - Aug 12 by Mullet |
I get you're trolling and whatnot but this sort of sub Clarkson attitude towards exams at any time, let alone now is particularly callous. It's also one of the main reasons education in this country is dysfunctional.
If you want a personal perspective, my kids sat 4 exams when asked. They were spaced on consecutive days over two weeks. The exam board essentially didn't give us any real help when I arranged a meeting (possibly for fear of any culpability). The government the same.
Some subjects had bits taken out and were told in advance, others like mine weren't. We had no idea if we had to teach the whole course, selected parts etc. until very late. Some schools will have used this to game the system - the fact that the gap and inflation is overwhelmingly at the "white privileged" end of the educational spectrum is something which people don't seem to be exploring very keenly. But it plays into wider trends in education.
However, not only did mine take these 4 exams, they were shorter, with me supervising from the front. Could I have cheated? Definitely, would I? Never. Can all staff across the country say the same? I suspect not.
Likewise, I could have just selected the best scores from the 4 and not taken an average. I could have ignored their mock results done properly early in year 11. I added them to the average and even the ones they did in year 10 so each kid have a long path of results. Averaged out. That way I can in good conscience show where they came from, how they improved and didn't etc.
Many got 7-9's in the final one or two but not overall, some still failed either because the fear of failure, lack of support, special needs etc was just too much to overcome. They didn't have the 2 weeks of exam stress, burnout and long days like usual. They didn't have the reasons and excuses to give up or panic or get demoralised like many of our kids do in traditional exam settings. Parents could give them more space / help / time as could we.
This probably speaks to why the system Gove introduced doesn't work unless you're a kid like Gove (and Thatcher et al) and go to grammar schools or live in an environment similar to those and above. Because that's who this country's education system is designed to benefit and often it does.
We can only talk about trends and stereotypes and exceptions, there are plenty of those. But in the last 2 years, with at least another one of uncertainty and monumental ineptitude from Williamson, his predecessor and likely his successor, the kids are always the wrong targets.
With little to no guidance, support or communication once again the can is placed back in our hands at school level. We've done the job of the exam boards for free, yet they have the final say and the power to hold us to account, not the other way around. Same as the government.
It's a mess. It's unfair. It's going to lead to a generation of kids having to justify themselves unnecessarily for a long time to come. So in the nicest possible way, kindly knock this sh1t on the head. You're better than mocking kids doing what they could and trusting those doing the same. |
Nobody is mocking kids mate. I’ve specifically said who I’m referring to.
I’m still confused about the exams. You and others have said the children have taken exams. The bbc says “record year of GCSE results after second year of no exams”. I agree education is dysfunctional though. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:05 - Aug 12 with 787 views | Tonytown |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:24 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Cry more. What exams? |
Stop being such a massive fanny | | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:05 - Aug 12 with 786 views | BlueNomad |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:24 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Cry more. What exams? |
Pathetic. If you are not trolling stop emphasising your ignorance. | | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:07 - Aug 12 with 776 views | Mullet |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:04 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Nobody is mocking kids mate. I’ve specifically said who I’m referring to.
I’m still confused about the exams. You and others have said the children have taken exams. The bbc says “record year of GCSE results after second year of no exams”. I agree education is dysfunctional though. |
There have been no universal exams as people expect. The exam boards provided sets of exam questions for each topic - you could use as many of them as you wanted. I used all of them in sequence so there could be no argument.
some were past exam questions, some were new / unused exam questions.
My kids did better than ever and I tend to get a very good 7-9 rate, a decent pass rate nationally and a lot of kids just fall short which given the make up of my school is decent.
The fact that people who haven't set foot in a school for 20/30/40+ years think they understand a system that has changed so much is part of the problem. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:11 - Aug 12 with 762 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
As matter of interest, just in case you aren't trolling, what A levels and O level/GCSEs did you take and what results did you get? I would be very keen to arrange for you to sit a recent paper and get it marked by an examiner (I am sure it could be fairly easily arranged).
I bet you wouldn't get anything like as good a grade this time around! |  |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:15 - Aug 12 with 746 views | Mookamoo |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 14:24 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Cry more. What exams? |
They were called 'Controlled Assessments' in Child#3's college. After each module they would do an assessment, under exam conditions, on that module. What they avoided was the huge end of year exam season. Apparently they didn't want to call them 'exams' or 'mini-exams' because of the pressure the word 'exam' exerts. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:19 - Aug 12 with 728 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:07 - Aug 12 by Mullet |
There have been no universal exams as people expect. The exam boards provided sets of exam questions for each topic - you could use as many of them as you wanted. I used all of them in sequence so there could be no argument.
some were past exam questions, some were new / unused exam questions.
My kids did better than ever and I tend to get a very good 7-9 rate, a decent pass rate nationally and a lot of kids just fall short which given the make up of my school is decent.
The fact that people who haven't set foot in a school for 20/30/40+ years think they understand a system that has changed so much is part of the problem. |
There has also been rigorous exam board moderation and the evidence has to be available for inspection.
I am sure you would agree, though, it would have been better if they had simply done exams as there will be many more ignorant people (and many in positions of responsibility for employment) who will share the ridiculous views of the OP (whether they are simply trolling or not). | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:23 - Aug 12 with 713 views | Cotty |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:04 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
Nobody is mocking kids mate. I’ve specifically said who I’m referring to.
I’m still confused about the exams. You and others have said the children have taken exams. The bbc says “record year of GCSE results after second year of no exams”. I agree education is dysfunctional though. |
You are correct, in that the reporting, and your understanding, are both lacking. |  | | |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:28 - Aug 12 with 697 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:23 - Aug 12 by Cotty |
You are correct, in that the reporting, and your understanding, are both lacking. |
To be absolutely clear. The official line is that there were no exams.
Instead there have been centre-administered-assessments.
These are exams in all but name. They were run by the school, marked and moderated within school (by teachers all for no extra pay and with no time allowance) and then moderated by exam boards (presumably for exam fees although I do not know about that side of things). Still there are politicians who are lamenting the lazy state sector teachers who are responsible for the continuing gap between them and the much higher-invested private sector. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:40 - Aug 12 with 671 views | chicoazul |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:07 - Aug 12 by Mullet |
There have been no universal exams as people expect. The exam boards provided sets of exam questions for each topic - you could use as many of them as you wanted. I used all of them in sequence so there could be no argument.
some were past exam questions, some were new / unused exam questions.
My kids did better than ever and I tend to get a very good 7-9 rate, a decent pass rate nationally and a lot of kids just fall short which given the make up of my school is decent.
The fact that people who haven't set foot in a school for 20/30/40+ years think they understand a system that has changed so much is part of the problem. |
I’ll bow to your better knowledge on the subject but there is something I don’t understand. The system is screwed it’s bad for teachers bad for kids it’s under funded COVID made it very hard etc etc and………..the kids got record results. Something doesn’t add up. | |
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| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 17:02 - Aug 12 with 638 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Record GCSE results after record A Level results on 16:40 - Aug 12 by chicoazul |
I’ll bow to your better knowledge on the subject but there is something I don’t understand. The system is screwed it’s bad for teachers bad for kids it’s under funded COVID made it very hard etc etc and………..the kids got record results. Something doesn’t add up. |
Results always go up year-on-year. It is partly due to better teaching. Partly it is due to an increase in practice material from the syllabus and a better understanding of where examiners are focussing. It is partly down to an increase in knowledge overall. As I say, I can guarantee you would not achieve the same grade now unless you are in a career that enables you to keep abreast of the most recent developments in the syllabus.
EDIT: It is part of the reason why the syllabus changes regularly and partly behind Gove's complete reset to have numbers instead of letters.
SECOND EDIT: Knowledge and ability to pass exams is different from "cleverness" too. [Post edited 12 Aug 2021 17:04]
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