| When Cook employed his mates as coaches 21:48 - Aug 17 with 5100 views | gtsb1966 |
I was slightly concerned. I'm even more concerned now. |  | | |  |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:41 - Aug 17 with 1487 views | Ryorry |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:32 - Aug 17 by pointofblue |
I wonder if a quick fix might be to ask Butcher to return as second in command. He's someone who has been a manager so therefore has been through the ups and downs, has defensive knowledge and might be able to lend an ear to Cook and perhaps proffer some advice?
Of course, the risk is undermining Cook so it really needs to be with his agreement but his reaction to Cheltenham's dominance tonight was little short of baffling. |
If only ...
I'd find it admirable if the "new regime" were big enough to admit they got the decision re Butcher wrong, but suspect they'd see it as losing face & be unlikely to do a U-turn. |  |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:45 - Aug 17 with 1465 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:30 - Aug 17 by Suffolktractor |
Whilst I agree with what you say. We lost tonight due to lack of fight and desire compared to the opposition.
This is not down to coaching, but is totally inexcusable from the team and management. |
Sounds familiar... |  | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:47 - Aug 17 with 1454 views | Sharkey |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:39 - Aug 17 by Churchman |
I agree with this. The coaches thing is a red herring. Nobody knows what these people do. For many managers these people are just cone carriers and yes men. For every Taylor to Clough there is a Robson or Ferguson to a it doesn’t matter They’ve been in the professional game for years so should know it.
Picking on peoples qualifications when you don’t know what they actually mean is just a way of putting the boot in. I don’t care if he employs Sooty and Sweep to do the coaching. His business as is owning the performances and results, which are a mile short of what they should be. He is accountable for them now.
Lack of fight and desire compared to the opposition is unacceptable and if it continues for any length of time, Cook will be gone very quickly. [Post edited 17 Aug 2021 23:42]
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Weren’t Ferguson’s assistants extremely influential? My impression is that ‘proper ‘ Man U fabs would be able to tell you who the number 2 was in any given season , and how it showed. Part of Ferguson’s skill was in freshening up that role every few years . [Post edited 18 Aug 2021 0:04]
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:47 - Aug 17 with 1452 views | nshearman1 |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:32 - Aug 17 by pointofblue |
I wonder if a quick fix might be to ask Butcher to return as second in command. He's someone who has been a manager so therefore has been through the ups and downs, has defensive knowledge and might be able to lend an ear to Cook and perhaps proffer some advice?
Of course, the risk is undermining Cook so it really needs to be with his agreement but his reaction to Cheltenham's dominance tonight was little short of baffling. |
I don't think Butcher, great player that he was, is that great a coach, to be honest.
Has Jeffers ever coached a first team?
Something I've wondered about for a while is whether Leam Richardson was the real brains behind Paul Cook's previous successes. Cook is undoubtedly a great motivator, which increasingly puts into question the roles of Kitman Carney and ex-player Roberts, but today made him look tactically adrift. The substitutions came too late to wrest back control of the match, and were odd to say the least. Jackson for Pigott? Then removing Bonne meant we lost a main target man and the 'fresh legs' did nothing to get the ball to Edwards. A Dobra might have done.
I have no doubt the team is now formed of better quality players and will GEL eventually - and it's too soon to expect miracles - but the coaching staff, as others have said here, is incredibly weak and leaves much to be desired. |  | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:47 - Aug 17 with 1449 views | Churchman |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:41 - Aug 17 by Ryorry |
If only ...
I'd find it admirable if the "new regime" were big enough to admit they got the decision re Butcher wrong, but suspect they'd see it as losing face & be unlikely to do a U-turn. |
I’m not sure they did get the decision wrong re Butcher, much as I loved watching him play. His managerial record is pretty average so what would he bring over and above passion?
I’m contradicting myself slightly here, but I wish he’d got Kieron to be assistant. KD is a good student of the game, has a lot of experience and at his age needs to be stepping up if he wants a managerial career. |  | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:48 - Aug 17 with 1446 views | Suffolktractor |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:45 - Aug 17 by King_ding_a_lin_g |
Sounds familiar... |
Unfortunately, yes | | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:49 - Aug 17 with 1440 views | pointofblue |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:47 - Aug 17 by Churchman |
I’m not sure they did get the decision wrong re Butcher, much as I loved watching him play. His managerial record is pretty average so what would he bring over and above passion?
I’m contradicting myself slightly here, but I wish he’d got Kieron to be assistant. KD is a good student of the game, has a lot of experience and at his age needs to be stepping up if he wants a managerial career. |
I'd have preferred to see KD promoted to coach ahead of any of those brought in but I don't think he's ready to be sole second in command - we need someone with knowledge and experience for the role to help Cook out. | |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:56 - Aug 17 with 1417 views | HARRY10 |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:25 - Aug 17 by N2_Blue |
Does Roberts really have no badges? That’s inexcusable. |
He was paying with Accrington when he resigned and joined us as a coach. He is supposedly taking coaching badges this summer
"err ang about lads, I've just got to pop off for a couple more days, to learn the job ..................... I am supposed to be teaching you "
Most players when coming to the end of their career and are looking to be moving into coaching have already qualified before they hang up their boots. They also start at a lower level (youth) before progressing upward.
They do not stop playing one week, then start coaching the first team the next. How the hell is he supposed to know what to do ? Copy Mr Crane the Baker ?
There seems to be a rather too cosy group of ex Accrington, Wigan players and mates of PC.
As to this 'players need to gel' stuff, how come we never heard any of this before the season started ? Burton, Morecambe and Cheltenham looked an easy start to the season. Chuck in a cup game against L2 Newport and many would have been thinking of four straight wins - not 3 defeats and a fortuitous draw.
However, it was the way Cheltenham were able to rip us apart in the 2nd half that gives serious grounds for concern - as it suggests a lack of tactical nous on the part of PC. If good players alone won games, there would be no need of a manager and coaches. They don't, that's why the latter are important.
I wonder now if PC and his mates are up to it. | | | |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:59 - Aug 17 with 1412 views | Churchman |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:49 - Aug 17 by pointofblue |
I'd have preferred to see KD promoted to coach ahead of any of those brought in but I don't think he's ready to be sole second in command - we need someone with knowledge and experience for the role to help Cook out. |
No we don’t. If you are the manager you are the manager. The assistant is just that. He should do the manager’s bidding. If Cook needs helping out, I.e he can’t do the job on his own in the way 100s of managers have done before him, he should be got rid of tomorrow. | | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:00 - Aug 18 with 1409 views | Ryorry |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:47 - Aug 17 by Churchman |
I’m not sure they did get the decision wrong re Butcher, much as I loved watching him play. His managerial record is pretty average so what would he bring over and above passion?
I’m contradicting myself slightly here, but I wish he’d got Kieron to be assistant. KD is a good student of the game, has a lot of experience and at his age needs to be stepping up if he wants a managerial career. |
Someone (can't remember who) said he was happier with our defence tonight due to Burgess coming in & forming a good partnership with Woolfy, but our defence, going on previous match reports was poor, hence thoughts of Butcher.
KD would have been my first choice! but given what he said about following Dyer Jnr to support him & his career, he was never going to stay in Suffolk. | |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:02 - Aug 18 with 1404 views | pointofblue |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:00 - Aug 18 by Ryorry |
Someone (can't remember who) said he was happier with our defence tonight due to Burgess coming in & forming a good partnership with Woolfy, but our defence, going on previous match reports was poor, hence thoughts of Butcher.
KD would have been my first choice! but given what he said about following Dyer Jnr to support him & his career, he was never going to stay in Suffolk. |
We were ok at centre back but struggled at full back. | |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:05 - Aug 18 with 1393 views | Churchman |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:00 - Aug 18 by Ryorry |
Someone (can't remember who) said he was happier with our defence tonight due to Burgess coming in & forming a good partnership with Woolfy, but our defence, going on previous match reports was poor, hence thoughts of Butcher.
KD would have been my first choice! but given what he said about following Dyer Jnr to support him & his career, he was never going to stay in Suffolk. |
Errr, that’s JD not KD isn’t it?😃 Kieron is still with us doing the U23s | | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:09 - Aug 18 with 1381 views | timothyeo |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:30 - Aug 17 by Suffolktractor |
Whilst I agree with what you say. We lost tonight due to lack of fight and desire compared to the opposition.
This is not down to coaching, but is totally inexcusable from the team and management. |
Impossible
I was assured by loads on here that the only reason Cook failed last season was because it was all the mean nasty players faults and we had to get rid of them all instantly and then everything would be amazing. | | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:21 - Aug 18 with 1349 views | Ryorry |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:05 - Aug 18 by Churchman |
Errr, that’s JD not KD isn’t it?😃 Kieron is still with us doing the U23s |
Doh - my brain's completely gone over the past hour  Course you're right - think I'm dehydrated & need to go get my pint of tea fairly urgently! | |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:25 - Aug 18 with 1341 views | pointofblue |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:59 - Aug 17 by Churchman |
No we don’t. If you are the manager you are the manager. The assistant is just that. He should do the manager’s bidding. If Cook needs helping out, I.e he can’t do the job on his own in the way 100s of managers have done before him, he should be got rid of tomorrow. |
Any manager, in any walk of life, needs someone to bounce off - someone to exchange ideas with and, if it feels like the team is failing, give a little support and no be afraid of questioning the approach if needed. In a good relationship barely anyone but the manager and the assistance will recognise this happening but it does. It’s like I said elsewhere, if Cook wants to exchange ideas with someone, who does he have? No one with any reasonable knowledge or experience whatsoever. | |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:26 - Aug 18 with 1340 views | Churchman |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:21 - Aug 18 by Ryorry |
Doh - my brain's completely gone over the past hour Course you're right - think I'm dehydrated & need to go get my pint of tea fairly urgently! |
Ha! I need a pint of scotch after that rubbish result tonight! | | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 07:09 - Aug 18 with 1221 views | flyingdutchman |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 22:16 - Aug 17 by LankHenners |
Since he said it I haven’t been able to get the clip of Cook saying ‘he loves his football’ in response to a question about what Craney brings to the staff out of my brain. |
He shows them how to ware there shirts on the rightway round |  | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 07:21 - Aug 18 with 1207 views | Vic |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 22:44 - Aug 17 by timothyeo |
Thing is people pointed this out very fairly at the time and were abused on here for doing so. |
‘Abused’? Hardly! Since when has dIsagreeing with someone been abusing them? Actually don’t answer that!
That said, the way things have started is concerning. I’ve given Cook the benefit of the doubt, though not particularly agreeing with his approach. Each game this goes on the more concerned I am. Not yet sure at what point my support stops, but stating the obvious - he has a lot less time than he had a few weeks ago!
My only consolation is that I’m sure his employers feel exactly the same. They will not sit back and let things drift like ME did. |  |
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| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 08:08 - Aug 18 with 1159 views | Churchman |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 00:25 - Aug 18 by pointofblue |
Any manager, in any walk of life, needs someone to bounce off - someone to exchange ideas with and, if it feels like the team is failing, give a little support and no be afraid of questioning the approach if needed. In a good relationship barely anyone but the manager and the assistance will recognise this happening but it does. It’s like I said elsewhere, if Cook wants to exchange ideas with someone, who does he have? No one with any reasonable knowledge or experience whatsoever. |
He’s got people to bounce ideas off and challenge. These people have played the game professionally for decades. If they don’t know the game inside out now, they never will. They’re putting out a football team for goodness sake. Paul Hurst and Paul Lambert have a UEFA coaching licence, years of experience (PL played at Dortmund - not sure he mentioned it….) and didn’t know a team from a teapot.
What exactly do these qualifications bring to the table? I’d love to know. As it is, management is about bringing in people you can work with and getting them to do what you want. Suggestions and challenge are important, but ultimately you are accountable; it’s not a democracy. It’s about getting the right blend and this is far more important than any paper qualification.
Cook is very experienced. To suggest he needs experience to help out (and doesn’t realise it) is to suggest he is not up to the job. He may not be, but the worlds greatest coach won’t change that. | | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 08:50 - Aug 18 with 1114 views | Seablu |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 07:09 - Aug 18 by flyingdutchman |
He shows them how to ware there shirts on the rightway round |
Wear their.
Ffs. |  | | |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 08:58 - Aug 18 with 1098 views | Steve_M |
| Yep, it's been my biggest concern..... on 23:49 - Aug 17 by pointofblue |
I'd have preferred to see KD promoted to coach ahead of any of those brought in but I don't think he's ready to be sole second in command - we need someone with knowledge and experience for the role to help Cook out. |
I'm quite glad Kieron is a step removed from this managerial team, it means he'll be at the club longer. |  |
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