| 4231 is clearly a system that works 07:33 - Sep 17 with 3364 views | muccletonjoe |
Too many teams , in higher places, play it regularly, so the next thing to look at is , how does it work ?
Because that must be a question most, if not all itfc supporters must be asking themselves regularly this season.
Without mentioning specific teams and systems, 4231 relies heavily on getting the ball from defence to attack very quickly, ( witness a few of the goals we have scored this season)
The remit of this system does not include leaving gaping holes down either flank for the opposition to expose as soon as the ball is lost.
To a large extent , this is resolved by a high press from the "3" or 2 of those 3 dropping into midfield to make a 442.
I have seen little of either under Paul Cook's supervision.
We have conceded by leaving enormous gaps around the flanks , and over-lapping wing backs scampering back into a stretched defence, who have been receiving little or no cover from the "2" in front of them.
In short , suicidal, no matter how many opportunities you create. When the opposition, starts to press, ( ie. After we score a goal) , we carry on as if its still 0-0, no extra cover to protect a lead, no tactics to revert to.
What is the need to have over- lapping wing backs when you are already leading. They need to be full backs. The midfield should be now be a 4 and the no. 10 utilised to link play. Not remain anonymous for the entire 90 minutes.
So, I hope that has gone some way to explaining how it can work.
But I won't guarantee we will be seeing anything like it tomorrow. |  | | |  |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 10:57 - Sep 17 with 530 views | Metal_Hacker |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 10:49 - Sep 17 by Bluefields |
Has Wolf ever played in midfield at any level?
Big difference having all of the play in front you when defending to having the ability to scan 360degrees in midfield. |
As we saw with TAA for England - quality player when the games if ALL in front of him but when he's got to learn and scan 360 degrees it's a different ball game
From the midfielders we have surely we can either get the right two in there or the two it happens to be ( this weekend for sure ,which'll be two of Harper/Evans or Carroll ) cover either FB that pushes on |  |
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| The full backs, deep CM, and no 10 are not working in the system on 11:53 - Sep 17 with 492 views | chicoazul |
| The full backs, deep CM, and no 10 are not working in the system on 10:29 - Sep 17 by unstableblue |
"showing their ignorance"
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See above, I await an apology |
You’ve already realised your mistake and apologised. |  |
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| The full backs, deep CM, and no 10 are not working in the system on 12:23 - Sep 17 with 468 views | NthQldITFC |
| The full backs, deep CM, and no 10 are not working in the system on 09:22 - Sep 17 by Bluefish |
It is a horrendous new Americanism that people seem to try and crowbar into every conversation |
That does seem to be the narrative at the moment. |  |
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| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 14:55 - Sep 17 with 421 views | Pinewoodblue |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 09:21 - Sep 17 by itfcjoe |
https://theathletic.com/1538724/2020/01/17/tactics-front-five-liverpool-manchest
An interesting piece in The Athletic from last year basically saying how when the top sides attack it is effectively in a 2-3-5 formation....where we seem to get the balance wrong is the covering when we go.....as an example if Coulson pushes on you should end up with something like this
-------------------Walton------------------
---------Edmundson----Burgess--------
---KVY-----------Harper----------Evans---
Burns--Chaplin--Bonne--Fraser--Coulson
One full back has to go, then the other one tucks in, and the midfielder on that side covers things.
We see both going - and rather than having 5 in attack, with 5 covering the rest of the pitch, we end up with 6 in attack and 4 covering the rest of the pitch
If you are to play a 433 like Liverpool do, and then both full backs can go and the 2 CBs and 3 CMs leave you with the 5 and 5.... |
No formation should be ridged, all the best teams that play 4-2-3-1 are very flexible defending , and attacking, in numbers. |  |
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| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 15:38 - Sep 17 with 392 views | pointofblue |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 14:55 - Sep 17 by Pinewoodblue |
No formation should be ridged, all the best teams that play 4-2-3-1 are very flexible defending , and attacking, in numbers. |
True but we don't have a clue what we're doing at the moment, we have players all moving in one direction (forward) and leaving us exposed. It might be best to get people into rigid roles to build understanding. |  |
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| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 15:53 - Sep 17 with 381 views | strikalite |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 09:24 - Sep 17 by HighgateBlue |
I agree with that apart from the last paragraph. Our principal problems are in defence. Yet discussions of our system always obsess about bombing forward and never appear to analyse why the system (which I'm going to keep obstinately referring to as 2-7-1) lets us down so badly in defence. |
It really highlights that right now we're just not a "team", we can all see that, if you watched the Liverpool game the other night you'd have seen Salah slotting into the right back position as TAA was doing his stuff further up the pitch, is this coached? Most probably, although top players have also made it to the top for a reason.. |  | | |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 16:49 - Sep 17 with 350 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 4231 is clearly a system that works on 10:49 - Sep 17 by Bluefields |
Has Wolf ever played in midfield at any level?
Big difference having all of the play in front you when defending to having the ability to scan 360degrees in midfield. |
It'd be a disaster. And besides, we've got a surplus of Cms apparently all good enough or too good for this league, apparently. Carroll can sit and keep the ball ticking over all day long in his sleep. I saw him do it plenty of times down here anyway. He's never going to become a bully type in there, but in terms of mopping up and keeping things ticking over he should be more than good enough. It all depends on their instructions and roles they've been given. |  |
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