| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:40 - Sep 30 with 673 views | chicoazul |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:25 - Sep 30 by Herbivore |
Maybe knock this one on the head, lads? A young woman lost her life in the most awful of circumstances and the tone of the thread has gone rather disrespectful. |
A good point well made. |  |
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:40 - Sep 30 with 669 views | Pendejo |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:04 - Sep 30 by Fixed_It |
I assume you show a lack of respect and trust to your GP on the basis that Harold Shipman was a murderer. Hopefully you don't as that would be equally ridiculous... |
That was one of the points on which I was ruminating during my journey home.
GPs - Shipman
Nurses - Beverley Allitt
Lorry Drivers - Peter Sutcliffe
Take your pick
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/hojo.12142?af=R |  |
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:42 - Sep 30 with 653 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:12 - Sep 30 by MattinLondon |
You’re not really in a position to lecture anyone on trying to sound clever. Not just on this thread but in general. |
Fair point though is isn't it, the comparison doesn't stack up.
A GP advises
A PC orders
There are far more examples of police absuibgbtjeir position than GPs. No one is advocating beating up coppers, merely that you should know your rights and their procedures so that you can be sure you are affored the rights to which you are entitled.
Not fitted up.
Not led into a sexual relationship by undercover officers that think they're James Bond
Not racially profiled
Not dragged across a custody suite by your hair (yet somehow keep your job)
Not get shot whilst being restrained on the tube having been misidentified as a terroist
Not kidnapped of the street, sexually assaulted and murdered.
There are many excellent police officers and I would hope they would be fully appreciative of why we have those rights and respectful of our entitlement to invoke them however in my experience choosing to so in interpreted as insolence.
Of course that respect should go both ways, it's a hard job. [Post edited 1 Oct 2021 7:40]
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:47 - Sep 30 with 646 views | Pendejo |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:07 - Sep 30 by chicoazul |
I expect that sounded clever in your head. I can change my GP, get a second opinion, go private, if I suspect they are trying to murder me.
Geez some real dummies in here tonight. |
The thing is... I'm sure all of Shipman's victims would have done all of those things you have suggested had they the least suspicion he was a murderous serial killer. | |
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:48 - Sep 30 with 645 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 14:28 - Sep 30 by chicoazul |
“The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has today released their annual statistics on deaths during or following police contact in England and Wales.
In the financial year 2019/20, there were 18 deaths in or following police custody, three police shootings, 24 deaths related to road traffic incidents, and 54 apparent suicides following custody. The IOPC also investigated 107 'other' deaths following contact with the police in a wide range of circumstances.”
But it’s only extremely rare, so who cares right? |
I’ve made comment on this topic before in relation to the mechanism of recording such things. But that is not a conversation for today.
What I will say I’d that this is an incredibly tragic incident and very dark times for policing in this country.. obviously against the backdrop of paranoia of policing in general.
What I do expect to see is a handful of low level dismissals to try to show some form of official review, but the top brass will most likely remain unscathed.
The Met are rightly taking a huge amount of heat over this, but his previous forces need to take some accountability. Given that (I assume) he gained his firearms authority in the Civil Nuclear Police.
Also, in answer to a previous post. When transporting someone to custody. There should always be 2 police officers in the vehicle as well.. this is for obvious reasons given the risks |  | | |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:55 - Sep 30 with 631 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Just to throw this into the mix.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/30/activist-duped-into-sexual-relat
In their 158-page ruling, they said the senior officers appeared to have a policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell” towards their spies who were deceiving women into sexual relationships. They said the managers probably had “a lack of interest” in protecting women’s human rights.
After the ruling, Wilson said: “The events in my case happened years ago. However, the failure of the police to protect women from sexual predators within their own ranks, and police attempts to criminalise protesters are both still very live issues today. The tribunal has gone some way towards recognising how deep the abuses run.” |  |
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 20:23 - Sep 30 with 585 views | bluelagos |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 19:48 - Sep 30 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I’ve made comment on this topic before in relation to the mechanism of recording such things. But that is not a conversation for today.
What I will say I’d that this is an incredibly tragic incident and very dark times for policing in this country.. obviously against the backdrop of paranoia of policing in general.
What I do expect to see is a handful of low level dismissals to try to show some form of official review, but the top brass will most likely remain unscathed.
The Met are rightly taking a huge amount of heat over this, but his previous forces need to take some accountability. Given that (I assume) he gained his firearms authority in the Civil Nuclear Police.
Also, in answer to a previous post. When transporting someone to custody. There should always be 2 police officers in the vehicle as well.. this is for obvious reasons given the risks |
Fair comments and am guessing today is pretty hard for you and all your colleagues. Would have been easy to avoid this place knowing the likely criticism the Met will facing.
What are your thoughts on who should be leading the Met as they seek to repair public confidence, make whatever reforms are required and address the cultural issues on police accountability that again raise their head today?
Do you have confidence in CD to do that?
(I won't pretend I do but that won't come as a surprise) |  |
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 21:10 - Sep 30 with 522 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 20:23 - Sep 30 by bluelagos |
Fair comments and am guessing today is pretty hard for you and all your colleagues. Would have been easy to avoid this place knowing the likely criticism the Met will facing.
What are your thoughts on who should be leading the Met as they seek to repair public confidence, make whatever reforms are required and address the cultural issues on police accountability that again raise their head today?
Do you have confidence in CD to do that?
(I won't pretend I do but that won't come as a surprise) |
I cannot really speak for the Met (or it’s officers) but I will say that (in simple terms) judging all police forces because of the actions of the Met is at times like judging all football league teams due to the behaviour of Derby County.
In short the Met is a monster of a police force and naturally it has the greatest budget and resourcing and sees the most severe and most consistent threat of imminent harm to life. With that it has an almost impossible line to tread given the dynamics and add into that the force itself has been used to trial new legislation/tactics etc, so the very nature of it leads to criticism.
As for Cressida, I have to say I do sway towards the questioning of how she is still there, however some instances of criticism are perhaps a bit too easy to just throw her way.. but on the flip side of that comment she is the public facing front of that organisation and part of that role (annoyingly) seems to be more of that of a politician/spokesperson .. and if you view her performance through that lens it only makes you question it further
I appreciate this has delved info a wider more general chat about policing, which I am happy to have with anyone, but perhaps this thread on this day is not the best arena for it | | | |
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| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 07:06 - Oct 2 with 386 views | chicoazul |
| Sarah Everard: full-life term for her killer. on 13:39 - Sep 30 by chicoazul |
Don’t ever talk to the police ever unless you absolutely have to. Don’t accept being “arrested” when there is just one of them. Film all your interactions with them where you can. Ask them for their collar and police station if they are persistent. We must all learn to protect ourselves from this corrupt paramilitary organisation.
May this latest victim rest in peace. |
Edit; actually Herbs is right and I should shut up. I’ve deleted my original post. [Post edited 2 Oct 2021 7:11]
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