| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:05 - Oct 6 with 3004 views | N2_Blue |
without wanting to stereotype, they're not the brightest are they!
Education most likely, i.e. lack of it |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:14 - Oct 6 with 2971 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Suspect that he doesnt want to own up to being a full on anti vaxxer. |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:19 - Oct 6 with 2941 views | MeenoITFC |
It's personal preference to have the vaccine or not? Why are you bewildered that some people do not want it. |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:21 - Oct 6 with 2938 views | itfcjoe |
I think the argument is along the lines of that they are extremely fit and healthy young sportspeople, and they are more likely to be adversely affected by the vaccine than they are by covid.
There is also the fact that young men with too much time on their hands and social media presences are more likely to go down the wormhole of online conspiracy theories |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:22 - Oct 6 with 2918 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:19 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
It's personal preference to have the vaccine or not? Why are you bewildered that some people do not want it. |
Its a perfectly fair question to ask why the proportion of professional footballers getting vaccinated does not match that of the wider population. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:26 - Oct 6 with 2883 views | jayessess |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:05 - Oct 6 by N2_Blue |
without wanting to stereotype, they're not the brightest are they!
Education most likely, i.e. lack of it |
Don't think footballers are any more/less intelligent than the majority of people really. It's more likely that lots of footballers just sit at the intersection of various groups who are more vaccine hesitant.
So :
- Young people 18-30 are more vaccine hesitant than average (feel less threatened by Covid)
- Black Britons more hesitant than average (less community trust for the state and health authorities in general)
- English as a second language (less engaged with public health efforts in another language)
- Transient and migrant workers (less likely to be registered for health services etc.)
- Some from countries with greater vaccine hesitancy (Germany, France, Italy all have higher rates than UK) |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:30 - Oct 6 with 2866 views | MeenoITFC |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:21 - Oct 6 by itfcjoe |
I think the argument is along the lines of that they are extremely fit and healthy young sportspeople, and they are more likely to be adversely affected by the vaccine than they are by covid.
There is also the fact that young men with too much time on their hands and social media presences are more likely to go down the wormhole of online conspiracy theories |
Exactly this.
One thing I would state is it seems that people who are vaccinated feel threatened by people that haven't? Yet its proven you pass the virus on with or without the vaccine.
Morale of the story is that it protects yourself that's it. If someone does not want the vaccine that is their personal choice. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:31 - Oct 6 with 2860 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:30 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
Exactly this.
One thing I would state is it seems that people who are vaccinated feel threatened by people that haven't? Yet its proven you pass the virus on with or without the vaccine.
Morale of the story is that it protects yourself that's it. If someone does not want the vaccine that is their personal choice. |
Transmission is reduced for those who have the vaccine. That has been proven.
Agree it's personal choice, but with the personal choice come consequences of not doing everything you might want to do as easily. Such as travel.
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:34 - Oct 6 with 2825 views | Guthrum |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:19 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
It's personal preference to have the vaccine or not? Why are you bewildered that some people do not want it. |
It's also a matter of public health. Putting at risk not only yourself, but also team mates, opposition players, officials, back-room staff and anyone else you may come into contact with.
A manager would be entirely justified in excluding non-vaccinated players. If nothing else, it puts every game at risk of being called off if there is an outbreak. |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:38 - Oct 6 with 2803 views | MeenoITFC |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:34 - Oct 6 by Guthrum |
It's also a matter of public health. Putting at risk not only yourself, but also team mates, opposition players, officials, back-room staff and anyone else you may come into contact with.
A manager would be entirely justified in excluding non-vaccinated players. If nothing else, it puts every game at risk of being called off if there is an outbreak. |
That makes no sense. How are you putting other people at risk for not having the vaccine? As stated above, if vaccinated you still receive and transmit the virus. Once again going back to personal preference for your own health. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:44 - Oct 6 with 2742 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:38 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
That makes no sense. How are you putting other people at risk for not having the vaccine? As stated above, if vaccinated you still receive and transmit the virus. Once again going back to personal preference for your own health. |
As also stated above, the vaccine reduces transmission.
So it reduces the risk to the wider population.
It's not difficult. | | | |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:50 - Oct 6 with 2704 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Another reason to all those listed is of course, elite athletes have been trained to be careful about what they put in their body and have really strict regimes etc which will undoubtedly be contributing to it. It would be interesting to see what other sports are doing or the take up, or whether this is the Government/Media hanging footballers out again. |  |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:50 - Oct 6 with 2702 views | BlueBadger |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:38 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
That makes no sense. How are you putting other people at risk for not having the vaccine? As stated above, if vaccinated you still receive and transmit the virus. Once again going back to personal preference for your own health. |
Vaccination reduces transmission rate.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211001/The-extent-to-which-COVID-19-vaccinat
When you live in a bubble like sportspeople do as well, bugs are much more likely to go round a lot quicker as well.
On top of that, whilst death rates are lower amongst the younger population, the long COVID rate is pretty consistently 1 in 10 to 1 in 20. In a playing and coaching staff that's potentially 2-4 players/coaches that could see their careers seriously derailed.
Catching covid also puts you at a far greater risk of other such fun things like clots.
As a 'personal preference' the numbers don't add up.
But then again, footballers aren't paid to be good at maths. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 10:21]
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:52 - Oct 6 with 2694 views | MeenoITFC |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:44 - Oct 6 by ElderGrizzly |
As also stated above, the vaccine reduces transmission.
So it reduces the risk to the wider population.
It's not difficult. |
Reduces transmission.. But can still be passed on?
So if the "wider public" are vaccinated why are they worried about someone who isn't. They are 'Protected'.
I've had my jabs, I'm not here to be an Anti-Vaxxer I just understand why people take it as personal choice to not get it. People are too quick to judge. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:54 - Oct 6 with 2674 views | ElderGrizzly |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:52 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
Reduces transmission.. But can still be passed on?
So if the "wider public" are vaccinated why are they worried about someone who isn't. They are 'Protected'.
I've had my jabs, I'm not here to be an Anti-Vaxxer I just understand why people take it as personal choice to not get it. People are too quick to judge. |
Yes, reduces transmission not eradicates it.
Which is of great benefit to the wider population if the virus is less transmissible.
And reducing the amount of virus in circulation helps prevent variant too
All doing our bit etc, especially while a significant proportion of the population is still unvaccinated.
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:56 - Oct 6 with 2671 views | BlueBadger |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:52 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
Reduces transmission.. But can still be passed on?
So if the "wider public" are vaccinated why are they worried about someone who isn't. They are 'Protected'.
I've had my jabs, I'm not here to be an Anti-Vaxxer I just understand why people take it as personal choice to not get it. People are too quick to judge. |
You're still at risk, but your risk is considerably lower. Just as it is with pretty much every other vaccine ever.
And, It's Not Always About You.
Footballers still work with people who are far more at risk than they are. I'd imagine that Alun Armstrong's players are being very strongly encouraged to get jabbed, right now, for example. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:01 - Oct 6 with 2624 views | jayessess |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:52 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
Reduces transmission.. But can still be passed on?
So if the "wider public" are vaccinated why are they worried about someone who isn't. They are 'Protected'.
I've had my jabs, I'm not here to be an Anti-Vaxxer I just understand why people take it as personal choice to not get it. People are too quick to judge. |
The vaccine reduces the risk of serious illness and death, it doesn't eliminate it entirely.
The vaccine reduces the chance of transmitting the virus, but doesn't entirely prevent its transmission.
The first thing improves your chance of surviving C19 if you get it. Good for you.
The second thing improves everybody's chance of not getting C19. Good for everyone. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:20 - Oct 6 with 2544 views | BlueBadger |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:54 - Oct 6 by ElderGrizzly |
Yes, reduces transmission not eradicates it.
Which is of great benefit to the wider population if the virus is less transmissible.
And reducing the amount of virus in circulation helps prevent variant too
All doing our bit etc, especially while a significant proportion of the population is still unvaccinated.
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And a small but sigificant minority CAN'T be vaccinated - those with severe immunocompromise or severe allergies, for example. These people are generally very vulnerable to any kind of opportunistic infection. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:28 - Oct 6 with 2520 views | BlueBadger |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:52 - Oct 6 by MeenoITFC |
Reduces transmission.. But can still be passed on?
So if the "wider public" are vaccinated why are they worried about someone who isn't. They are 'Protected'.
I've had my jabs, I'm not here to be an Anti-Vaxxer I just understand why people take it as personal choice to not get it. People are too quick to judge. |
Oh mate, look who's agreeing with you here. | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:31 - Oct 6 with 2505 views | Cotty |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:21 - Oct 6 by itfcjoe |
I think the argument is along the lines of that they are extremely fit and healthy young sportspeople, and they are more likely to be adversely affected by the vaccine than they are by covid.
There is also the fact that young men with too much time on their hands and social media presences are more likely to go down the wormhole of online conspiracy theories |
Your first assertion is definitely BS! |  | | |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:39 - Oct 6 with 2470 views | itfcjoe |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:31 - Oct 6 by Cotty |
Your first assertion is definitely BS! |
This isn't my argument, just what I've read as to why they may be more hesitant | |
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:56 - Oct 6 with 2427 views | Lightworker |
As with most things, it is never quite as black & white as people like to make out. For example I find it rather strange that the article doesn't mention the natural immunity that Robinson will now have acquired. With Robinson having had Covid twice ( or at least tested positive twice ) and assuming at least one of those infections was the real deal, he will very likely now have a strong level of natural immunity.
This article highlights a study out of Israel which suggests that prior Covid infection provides up to 13 time more protection than having two doses of Pfizer vaccine (without a previous infection).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210830/Does-SARS-CoV-2-natural-infection-imm
So in actual fact Robinson may well be more protected and less of a risk to others than some of his double jabbed team mates.
For balance the study also suggests that vaccination on top of prior infection may offer even stronger protection still, however with the players also being regularly tested the position Robinson has taken is quite reasonable and not nearly as controversial as the media would like to make out. There really isn't much of a story here, or at least there shouldn't be. |  | | |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:59 - Oct 6 with 2403 views | Lightworker |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 13:34 - Oct 6 by Guthrum |
It's also a matter of public health. Putting at risk not only yourself, but also team mates, opposition players, officials, back-room staff and anyone else you may come into contact with.
A manager would be entirely justified in excluding non-vaccinated players. If nothing else, it puts every game at risk of being called off if there is an outbreak. |
That is simply not true in this case, please see my other post in response to the OP. [Post edited 6 Oct 2021 15:08]
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| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 15:25 - Oct 6 with 2315 views | Digger77 |
| What is it with footballers and the Covid-19 vaccine? on 14:56 - Oct 6 by Lightworker |
As with most things, it is never quite as black & white as people like to make out. For example I find it rather strange that the article doesn't mention the natural immunity that Robinson will now have acquired. With Robinson having had Covid twice ( or at least tested positive twice ) and assuming at least one of those infections was the real deal, he will very likely now have a strong level of natural immunity.
This article highlights a study out of Israel which suggests that prior Covid infection provides up to 13 time more protection than having two doses of Pfizer vaccine (without a previous infection).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210830/Does-SARS-CoV-2-natural-infection-imm
So in actual fact Robinson may well be more protected and less of a risk to others than some of his double jabbed team mates.
For balance the study also suggests that vaccination on top of prior infection may offer even stronger protection still, however with the players also being regularly tested the position Robinson has taken is quite reasonable and not nearly as controversial as the media would like to make out. There really isn't much of a story here, or at least there shouldn't be. |
2021. When natural immunity is a conspiracy theory. |  | | |
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