| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 08:46 - Nov 6 with 1123 views | Lightworker |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 21:27 - Nov 5 by StokieBlue |
That is good information for the masses with regards to entry.
However, in general, nobody takes any notice whatsoever of many of those rules with regards to inside the ground because it's too difficult for them to do things to help other people.
"Face coverings are mandatory in indoor areas such as the concourses and toilets etc."
I rest my case.
SB
Edit: Changed for precision. [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 21:42]
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I say this with compassion and not judgement but don't you think you might just be getting a little obsessive over this issue? I doubt there is a single poster on this board that isn't aware of your position on masks now, perhaps its time to let it go.
I have stated previously that I don't think there is conclusive science around mask efficacy in terms of non medical masks being worn ( mostly incorrectly ) by the general public, however for what its worth I am going to the game today and will follow the rules and wear one because I don't happen to think it is a big sacrifice and if there is even a small chance it will help then it is worth it.
I know that I will be in a tiny minority of people that do wear a mask though, because the club simply don't enforce their own rule. If you feel so strongly about this issue perhaps your energy would be better spent writing to the club and challenging them over why they are not more robust in policing their own policies? I'm pretty sure if they were to announce 'no mask, no entry' there would be a quite significant increase in people wearing them. [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 9:32]
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 08:59 - Nov 6 with 1104 views | noggin |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 22:11 - Nov 5 by Fixed_It |
It comes across as being obsessive, which isn't healthy. If you, or your family, have had negative personal experience of covid, then I fully understand and sympathise. If not, then please don't allow it to consume you. I am one of the many, many lucky ones to have had covid with no serious or lasting effects. We do need to get back to 'normal' as much as possible, whilst still being vigilant and taking necessary precautions. |
"We do need to get back to 'normal' as much as possible, whilst still being vigilant and taking necessary precautions."
Isn't that what Stokie is advocating? While "taking necessary precautions" |  |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:25 - Nov 6 with 1067 views | footers |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 21:48 - Nov 5 by GlasgowBlue |
You can take this whichever way you decide, and I say this with the best will in the world, but as somebody who has nothing but the utmost respect for you as a poster I think that COVID is consuming you.
I let the antisemitism issue do the same to me. It wasn't healthy and I took myself away from the board because of it. I'm not suggesting you do the same but I'm familiar with the signals you are giving out. |
Incredible lack of self-awareness there. Arf! Only the other day you had to mention Corbyn on two completely unrelated threads. And let's not forget your one-man 'campaign' against the Labour party lasted nigh on two years!
All Stokie has done is attempt to highlight the dangers of covid while other posters, you included, have just decided to follow your own 'common sense'. That worked out well, didn't it?
He's kept most informed about the real science behind the pandemic and done a great job at debunking the misinformation posted on here, even as far back as countering some people's 'voice of reason', the charlatan Dr Karol Sikora.
To see everyone pile on to him here is terrible when all he's doing is trying to help. Not surprising though since it reminds many posters of how utterly selfish and stupid the justification for their actions are. [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 9:36]
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:27 - Nov 6 with 1065 views | footers |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 08:59 - Nov 6 by noggin |
"We do need to get back to 'normal' as much as possible, whilst still being vigilant and taking necessary precautions."
Isn't that what Stokie is advocating? While "taking necessary precautions" |
Yes. But pubs and football or something. | |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:30 - Nov 6 with 1066 views | StokieBlue |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 08:46 - Nov 6 by Lightworker |
I say this with compassion and not judgement but don't you think you might just be getting a little obsessive over this issue? I doubt there is a single poster on this board that isn't aware of your position on masks now, perhaps its time to let it go.
I have stated previously that I don't think there is conclusive science around mask efficacy in terms of non medical masks being worn ( mostly incorrectly ) by the general public, however for what its worth I am going to the game today and will follow the rules and wear one because I don't happen to think it is a big sacrifice and if there is even a small chance it will help then it is worth it.
I know that I will be in a tiny minority of people that do wear a mask though, because the club simply don't enforce their own rule. If you feel so strongly about this issue perhaps your energy would be better spent writing to the club and challenging them over why they are not more robust in policing their own policies? I'm pretty sure if they were to announce 'no mask, no entry' there would be a quite significant increase in people wearing them. [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 9:32]
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The issue here is you are another one who has posted quite a bit of misinformation on the issues. I replied in depth citing studies to one of your posts around two weeks ago and you totally ignored it.
Pointing at others when you're unwilling to take on board the current science because you don't agree with it isn't a particularly good look to be honest.
I do love how because GB said it there is a mini pile-on (with compassion of course) with regards to myself. It's remarkably disingenuous. There is no worry for me, it's simply people don't want their views challenged.
I've been asked to take a break by 3 posters I've the last few weeks as well as being called a soyboy and a d*ckhead. I thought he board was supposed to be much better now after the summer cull? That's what everyone who agrees with each other keep saying but the reality is that it's not better in the slightest, it's just there are fewer people to challenge them.
The thing that has really annoyed me about covid is how it's shone a spotlight on how the UK public are reluctant to do much to help others even when it's mandated. Compare and contrast that to mainland Europe and it doesn't make good viewing in my opinion.
SB [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 9:55]
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:39 - Nov 6 with 1024 views | footers |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 21:49 - Nov 5 by gtsb1966 |
200 people a day ARE NOT dying OF covid. Let's get that straight. That's my last word on this thread because you will go on and on. |
How many people don't die OF AIDS?
I know you're pretty thick but that's quite special. | |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:29 - Nov 6 with 968 views | Lightworker |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:30 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
The issue here is you are another one who has posted quite a bit of misinformation on the issues. I replied in depth citing studies to one of your posts around two weeks ago and you totally ignored it.
Pointing at others when you're unwilling to take on board the current science because you don't agree with it isn't a particularly good look to be honest.
I do love how because GB said it there is a mini pile-on (with compassion of course) with regards to myself. It's remarkably disingenuous. There is no worry for me, it's simply people don't want their views challenged.
I've been asked to take a break by 3 posters I've the last few weeks as well as being called a soyboy and a d*ckhead. I thought he board was supposed to be much better now after the summer cull? That's what everyone who agrees with each other keep saying but the reality is that it's not better in the slightest, it's just there are fewer people to challenge them.
The thing that has really annoyed me about covid is how it's shone a spotlight on how the UK public are reluctant to do much to help others even when it's mandated. Compare and contrast that to mainland Europe and it doesn't make good viewing in my opinion.
SB [Post edited 6 Nov 2021 9:55]
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It's not a 'pile-on' its just people pointing out that you have been beating the same drum repeatedly for a while now and perhaps it is time to back off a little. If a number of posters are saying similar things maybe there is something in it?
If I have posted misinformation then I would ask you to kindly point out where, because I am not aware of any. Calling everything you don't agree with misinformation is not a great look either, to be honest.
The reason I didn't reply to your previous post was because I did not feel the need to endlessly argue that particular point. I have seen numerous studies and articles suggesting masks don't work particularly well in the conditions I outlined, we can trade studies until the cows come home but ultimately it is probably best if we agree to disagree.
What I would say on masks is can you show me the real World data that demonstrates definitively that where mask policies have been introduced it has resulted consistently in a clear reduction in transmission and cases? I don't think you can because I have looked and I mostly see the opposite to be honest.
Germany has stricter mask rules and vaccine passports ( which I have also seen you advocating ) and yet they are now seeing a steep rise in cases .
I saw a similar example a week or so back regarding Lithuania which has also introduced vaccine passports and very tight restrictions but seen a steep rise in cases. How do you explain such outcomes? how do you explain cases currently falling in England despite very relaxed rules? I don't have a particular axe to grind regarding masks, like I said I will wear one today but I'm not going to pretend they are a high impact intervention when the evidence doesn't really support that conclusion. | | | |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:34 - Nov 6 with 955 views | footers |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:29 - Nov 6 by Lightworker |
It's not a 'pile-on' its just people pointing out that you have been beating the same drum repeatedly for a while now and perhaps it is time to back off a little. If a number of posters are saying similar things maybe there is something in it?
If I have posted misinformation then I would ask you to kindly point out where, because I am not aware of any. Calling everything you don't agree with misinformation is not a great look either, to be honest.
The reason I didn't reply to your previous post was because I did not feel the need to endlessly argue that particular point. I have seen numerous studies and articles suggesting masks don't work particularly well in the conditions I outlined, we can trade studies until the cows come home but ultimately it is probably best if we agree to disagree.
What I would say on masks is can you show me the real World data that demonstrates definitively that where mask policies have been introduced it has resulted consistently in a clear reduction in transmission and cases? I don't think you can because I have looked and I mostly see the opposite to be honest.
Germany has stricter mask rules and vaccine passports ( which I have also seen you advocating ) and yet they are now seeing a steep rise in cases .
I saw a similar example a week or so back regarding Lithuania which has also introduced vaccine passports and very tight restrictions but seen a steep rise in cases. How do you explain such outcomes? how do you explain cases currently falling in England despite very relaxed rules? I don't have a particular axe to grind regarding masks, like I said I will wear one today but I'm not going to pretend they are a high impact intervention when the evidence doesn't really support that conclusion. |
Many people are selfish idiots who don't like their irresponsible behaviour challenged. Stokie's quite right to call it out.
Especially when most arguments to the contrary appear to be childish 'I don't want to lol' and 'other people aren't so I won't either'. It's unbelievably stupid.
If you and others don't like that being pointed out to you, how about you put him (and for me that matter) on ignore instead of waving yellow cards about and calling for Stokie to take a break? | |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:44 - Nov 6 with 938 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:30 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
The issue here is you are another one who has posted quite a bit of misinformation on the issues. I replied in depth citing studies to one of your posts around two weeks ago and you totally ignored it.
Pointing at others when you're unwilling to take on board the current science because you don't agree with it isn't a particularly good look to be honest.
I do love how because GB said it there is a mini pile-on (with compassion of course) with regards to myself. It's remarkably disingenuous. There is no worry for me, it's simply people don't want their views challenged.
I've been asked to take a break by 3 posters I've the last few weeks as well as being called a soyboy and a d*ckhead. I thought he board was supposed to be much better now after the summer cull? That's what everyone who agrees with each other keep saying but the reality is that it's not better in the slightest, it's just there are fewer people to challenge them.
The thing that has really annoyed me about covid is how it's shone a spotlight on how the UK public are reluctant to do much to help others even when it's mandated. Compare and contrast that to mainland Europe and it doesn't make good viewing in my opinion.
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I haven't asked others to join in this thread Stokie. I gave an honest opinion. I'm always happy to have my views challenged, as per the future of mask wearing to prevent future flu cases when the pandemic is over.
I don't want any part of a pile on. Especially one against you. I won't comment any further on this thread. |  |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:59 - Nov 6 with 931 views | Lightworker |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:34 - Nov 6 by footers |
Many people are selfish idiots who don't like their irresponsible behaviour challenged. Stokie's quite right to call it out.
Especially when most arguments to the contrary appear to be childish 'I don't want to lol' and 'other people aren't so I won't either'. It's unbelievably stupid.
If you and others don't like that being pointed out to you, how about you put him (and for me that matter) on ignore instead of waving yellow cards about and calling for Stokie to take a break? |
I haven't made the arguments you are talking about though, and neither have I waved any yellow cards around.
What I have done is asked for evidence to back up the absolute argument he puts forward relentlessly and provided evidence that counters that position. I have also done this quite politely so I am not sure why you have a problem with this?
I notice you don't appear to want to consider another point of view nor engage in any reasonable debate, but instead request that I simply 'put you on ignore'. That is not the way I operate as I believe I can learn from people with different viewpoints so I won't be taking you up on that one, but thanks. | | | |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 11:03 - Nov 6 with 917 views | footers |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:59 - Nov 6 by Lightworker |
I haven't made the arguments you are talking about though, and neither have I waved any yellow cards around.
What I have done is asked for evidence to back up the absolute argument he puts forward relentlessly and provided evidence that counters that position. I have also done this quite politely so I am not sure why you have a problem with this?
I notice you don't appear to want to consider another point of view nor engage in any reasonable debate, but instead request that I simply 'put you on ignore'. That is not the way I operate as I believe I can learn from people with different viewpoints so I won't be taking you up on that one, but thanks. |
Firstly I didn't say that you had done either of those things, simply that others had.
Stokie provides evidence to back up most of his claims with relevant links to peer-reviewed articles from scientific sources. Those who argue against him usually post tripe or use emotive language in order to justify their reasoning for not wearing a mask.
I have considered others' viewpoints and come to the conclusion that they're talking bollox. | |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 11:13 - Nov 6 with 896 views | Lightworker |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 11:03 - Nov 6 by footers |
Firstly I didn't say that you had done either of those things, simply that others had.
Stokie provides evidence to back up most of his claims with relevant links to peer-reviewed articles from scientific sources. Those who argue against him usually post tripe or use emotive language in order to justify their reasoning for not wearing a mask.
I have considered others' viewpoints and come to the conclusion that they're talking bollox. |
So if I haven't done the things you are upset about why did you feel the need to attack my post rather than join in and debate and counter the evidence I presented? Otherwise you appear to be just trying to instigate another 'pile on' which is the very thing you are supposedly against in the first place. | | | |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 11:16 - Nov 6 with 892 views | gtsb1966 |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 09:39 - Nov 6 by footers |
How many people don't die OF AIDS?
I know you're pretty thick but that's quite special. |
He's saying 200 people are dying daily because of covid. That is a lie. Do keep up. I'm now off to spend the afternoon with the grandson. Play nicely and try not to get too worked up....again. Ttfn. |  | | |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game (n/t) on 12:24 - Nov 6 with 812 views | Parky |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 10:34 - Nov 6 by footers |
Many people are selfish idiots who don't like their irresponsible behaviour challenged. Stokie's quite right to call it out.
Especially when most arguments to the contrary appear to be childish 'I don't want to lol' and 'other people aren't so I won't either'. It's unbelievably stupid.
If you and others don't like that being pointed out to you, how about you put him (and for me that matter) on ignore instead of waving yellow cards about and calling for Stokie to take a break? |
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 12:34 - Nov 6 with 780 views | StokieBlue |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 11:16 - Nov 6 by gtsb1966 |
He's saying 200 people are dying daily because of covid. That is a lie. Do keep up. I'm now off to spend the afternoon with the grandson. Play nicely and try not to get too worked up....again. Ttfn. |
I find it hugely depressing that this line is still being wheeled out 20 months into a global pandemic which has officially killed 5m and probably has killed 20m looking at excess deaths.
I honestly thought this whatabouterry was behind us.
Enjoy your afternoon with your grandson, try not to impart any of you knowledge on him though, kids need a good start in life.
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 12:39 - Nov 6 with 775 views | StokieBlue |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game (n/t) on 12:24 - Nov 6 by Parky |
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I'm glad to see the forum is so much better now and that people use well reasoned debate to argue their points and not petty and childish insults.
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| Well to be fair, your mate.... on 12:45 - Nov 6 with 756 views | Bloots |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 12:39 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
I'm glad to see the forum is so much better now and that people use well reasoned debate to argue their points and not petty and childish insults.
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....is calling other posters "thick", "stupid" and "childish" on this very thread.
I'm really not sure what's happened to you over the last couple of months.
Chill babes. |  |
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| Well to be fair, your mate.... on 13:19 - Nov 6 with 693 views | StokieBlue |
| Well to be fair, your mate.... on 12:45 - Nov 6 by Bloots |
....is calling other posters "thick", "stupid" and "childish" on this very thread.
I'm really not sure what's happened to you over the last couple of months.
Chill babes. |
I took offence at the post which implicitly involves me.
What's happened is that I grew sick and tired posting endless reasoned debate with sources to eventually be completely ignored and to then have to repeat it the next time that subject comes up.
It seems the only way to get a message across on here is to be more assertive and upset those with the dubious positions.
It seems that not many people want to be challenged in their viewpoints though so perhaps my stay well be short as many people seem to want.
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| But you appear to be.... on 13:28 - Nov 6 with 669 views | Bloots |
| Well to be fair, your mate.... on 13:19 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
I took offence at the post which implicitly involves me.
What's happened is that I grew sick and tired posting endless reasoned debate with sources to eventually be completely ignored and to then have to repeat it the next time that subject comes up.
It seems the only way to get a message across on here is to be more assertive and upset those with the dubious positions.
It seems that not many people want to be challenged in their viewpoints though so perhaps my stay well be short as many people seem to want.
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....making it an obsessive personal crusade.
You aren't the only one entitled to an opinion, whether it is correct and perfectly reasoned or not.
You need to accept that not everyone is going to agree and just step away.
I know that I'm intellectually superior to 99% (probably 100%) of the people that post on here.
I just let them post their drivel, only occasionally do I feel the need to step in and correct/enlighten them.
You should just rise above it and remain humble like I do.
I'm great, be more like me. | |
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| But you appear to be.... on 13:38 - Nov 6 with 663 views | StokieBlue |
| But you appear to be.... on 13:28 - Nov 6 by Bloots |
....making it an obsessive personal crusade.
You aren't the only one entitled to an opinion, whether it is correct and perfectly reasoned or not.
You need to accept that not everyone is going to agree and just step away.
I know that I'm intellectually superior to 99% (probably 100%) of the people that post on here.
I just let them post their drivel, only occasionally do I feel the need to step in and correct/enlighten them.
You should just rise above it and remain humble like I do.
I'm great, be more like me. |
Many thanks for the advice.
I'll leave you something to ponder.....
Not challenging things which are clearly false and sometimes dangerous is the route which lead is to Trump, Brexit, Anti-vax and a whole host of other problems in the world today.
I'm looking forward to the day when you use your vast intellect to help ensure these type of things don't happen in the future.
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| One man arguing the toss..... on 13:44 - Nov 6 with 636 views | Bloots |
| But you appear to be.... on 13:38 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
Many thanks for the advice.
I'll leave you something to ponder.....
Not challenging things which are clearly false and sometimes dangerous is the route which lead is to Trump, Brexit, Anti-vax and a whole host of other problems in the world today.
I'm looking forward to the day when you use your vast intellect to help ensure these type of things don't happen in the future.
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....with a bunch of divs on a 3rd division football team's message board won't, I repeat won't, save the world.
(unless it's me obviously, because I'm a natural leader of men.)
If you need any more life advice, you know where I am.
Peace out brother. | |
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| One man arguing the toss..... on 13:46 - Nov 6 with 634 views | StokieBlue |
| One man arguing the toss..... on 13:44 - Nov 6 by Bloots |
....with a bunch of divs on a 3rd division football team's message board won't, I repeat won't, save the world.
(unless it's me obviously, because I'm a natural leader of men.)
If you need any more life advice, you know where I am.
Peace out brother. |
Many thanks, I'll certainly bear your offer in mind, you're cheaper than a fortune cookie.
Enjoy the match.
COYB.
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| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 19:42 - Nov 7 with 506 views | footers |
I don't want to rake up old graves too much, but something very serious happened in the footers household today.
Grandad footers could barely breathe this morning, couldn't get himself to the toilet and couldn't even say his own damn name.
He has covid along with pneumonia and is in now A&E at the James Paget. I'm going back to see him tomorrow. Thank god things seem to be improving but I've spent most of today in tears just thinking about him and how much he means to me.
I'm sorry if this is overly emotional but I just want to emphasise why I, and many others, are so keen to keep ourselves and others protected right now. Please, continue to wear your masks, even if not told to do so, and keep as safe as possible - this virus is an absolute killer, and I don't want to lose a proud man who basically raised me because of it.
I'm sick of people downplaying and I'm sick of the excuses. Forgive my frustration but it's the same drum I, and many others, have been banging all along. | |
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| Get well soon Grandad Footers!!! xx (n/t) on 19:49 - Nov 7 with 480 views | Bloots |
| Don’t forget it’s still lateral flow test proof for the Oldham game on 19:42 - Nov 7 by footers |
I don't want to rake up old graves too much, but something very serious happened in the footers household today.
Grandad footers could barely breathe this morning, couldn't get himself to the toilet and couldn't even say his own damn name.
He has covid along with pneumonia and is in now A&E at the James Paget. I'm going back to see him tomorrow. Thank god things seem to be improving but I've spent most of today in tears just thinking about him and how much he means to me.
I'm sorry if this is overly emotional but I just want to emphasise why I, and many others, are so keen to keep ourselves and others protected right now. Please, continue to wear your masks, even if not told to do so, and keep as safe as possible - this virus is an absolute killer, and I don't want to lose a proud man who basically raised me because of it.
I'm sick of people downplaying and I'm sick of the excuses. Forgive my frustration but it's the same drum I, and many others, have been banging all along. |
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| One man arguing the toss..... on 19:59 - Nov 7 with 473 views | wkj |
| One man arguing the toss..... on 13:44 - Nov 6 by Bloots |
....with a bunch of divs on a 3rd division football team's message board won't, I repeat won't, save the world.
(unless it's me obviously, because I'm a natural leader of men.)
If you need any more life advice, you know where I am.
Peace out brother. |
"with a bunch of divs on a 3rd division football team's message board won't, I repeat won't, save the world."
A conversation starts between two people. If just one person starts wearing a mask more whilst we finish taming Covid-19, then it's a conversation well had, especially if someone avoids the loss of a loved one; you've then just saved their world. |  |
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