| How to become a top two side then? 19:41 - Nov 13 with 2697 views | pennblue |
I think we are now a top six side
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| How to become a top two side then? on 09:34 - Nov 14 with 640 views | strikalite |
Well we'd need to win games when we're not at our best for starters...some luck along the way always helps, but don't think there is much in any of the top six teams really..
So right now I'd take that 6th spot. I wouldn't have at the start of the season.. |  | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:39 - Nov 14 with 621 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:11 - Nov 14 by kizaitfc |
I think we are a top two side, just a top two side that gave the rest of the teams a 10 game head start.
Therefore we will be fighting for playoffs this season and may need a little luck to go up.
If we don't go up I would fully expect us to be top 2 next season |
We really aren't a top 2 side. Our longest winning streak is 2 games and we've only managed to achieve that on one occasion. Generally sides that go up automatically will have spells where they string a few wins together and as yet we've not managed that. At no point have we been top 2 in the form table and generally the sides above us in the form table have also been above us in the table, so actually widening the gap to us. To illustrate, after our disastrous opening 6 games we were 10 points off 2nd place. We're still 10 points off second place now but having played a game more than the team in 2nd. If we were currently performing like a top 2 side that wouldn't be the case. |  |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 09:44 - Nov 14 with 596 views | Oldboy |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:39 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
We really aren't a top 2 side. Our longest winning streak is 2 games and we've only managed to achieve that on one occasion. Generally sides that go up automatically will have spells where they string a few wins together and as yet we've not managed that. At no point have we been top 2 in the form table and generally the sides above us in the form table have also been above us in the table, so actually widening the gap to us. To illustrate, after our disastrous opening 6 games we were 10 points off 2nd place. We're still 10 points off second place now but having played a game more than the team in 2nd. If we were currently performing like a top 2 side that wouldn't be the case. |
Exactly that. We have the squad, just need to start showing up every week. |  | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:47 - Nov 14 with 581 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:44 - Nov 14 by Oldboy |
Exactly that. We have the squad, just need to start showing up every week. |
Agreed. I think we should be well capable of being a top 2 side and we're not a million miles away from it but some fans are acting like we've already cracked it and the season is definitely destined for glory. To be honest I think the best we can hope for is the play offs now and we really ought to make those but there's still work to be done for us to be where we should be in terms of performances and results. | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 09:48 - Nov 14 with 577 views | pennblue |
| How to become a top two side then? on 21:31 - Nov 13 by blueboyd |
we are not a top six side.... we are 9th....... stop kidding yourself.
League table is what decides things, not form table....
We ArE nOt ToP sIx |
Sorry blue boyd. I did not mean we are
Literally a top six side as of course we not in the top six.
My point is from watching us against Plymouth, Wycombe and Oxford I can say we competed with all these teams and more than held our own. Oxford have reached the play offs the past two seasons and Wycombe just come down from championship.
So I think it is reasonable to call us a top six side.
When I say top two side, I don’t mean we can or will make the top two this season, I care less about this, and more about how we start to look, behave and get results like a top two side would.
Fully accept top two is unlikely this season. But I would like to see us move into top two in the form table. For that to happen we need to be winning games like yesterday. So the question is really what do we need to make that happen?
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| How to become a top two side then? on 10:01 - Nov 14 with 551 views | chicoazul |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:39 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
We really aren't a top 2 side. Our longest winning streak is 2 games and we've only managed to achieve that on one occasion. Generally sides that go up automatically will have spells where they string a few wins together and as yet we've not managed that. At no point have we been top 2 in the form table and generally the sides above us in the form table have also been above us in the table, so actually widening the gap to us. To illustrate, after our disastrous opening 6 games we were 10 points off 2nd place. We're still 10 points off second place now but having played a game more than the team in 2nd. If we were currently performing like a top 2 side that wouldn't be the case. |
Yeah we really do need to string some wins together. Like under Lyall when we would sometimes win 6 on the bounce or so it felt. And the way to do that is to start putting away more of our chances, and the way to do *that* is IMVHO to play our best finisher Chaplin and Aluko. |  |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 10:01 - Nov 14 with 552 views | Oldboy |
| How to become a top two side then? on 09:48 - Nov 14 by pennblue |
Sorry blue boyd. I did not mean we are
Literally a top six side as of course we not in the top six.
My point is from watching us against Plymouth, Wycombe and Oxford I can say we competed with all these teams and more than held our own. Oxford have reached the play offs the past two seasons and Wycombe just come down from championship.
So I think it is reasonable to call us a top six side.
When I say top two side, I don’t mean we can or will make the top two this season, I care less about this, and more about how we start to look, behave and get results like a top two side would.
Fully accept top two is unlikely this season. But I would like to see us move into top two in the form table. For that to happen we need to be winning games like yesterday. So the question is really what do we need to make that happen?
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Stop rotating the side to accommodate the opposition. Play your strongest X1 when fit. Aluko & Chaplin should have started yesterday. Play to our strengths, let the opposition worry about us. | | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 10:04 - Nov 14 with 549 views | skinnybob72 |
The only way is to start winning against the teams above - whilst also winning against the teams below!
Sunderland on Saturday for example. The wheels have come off for them recently but they are still 4 points ahead AND have two games in hand. If they were to beat Town then they could potentially end up 13 points ahead - which a massive lead when we're almost half way through the season.
In short Town really need to be winning against Rotherham and Sunderland in order to make ground up. | | | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 10:17 - Nov 14 with 537 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 10:01 - Nov 14 by chicoazul |
Yeah we really do need to string some wins together. Like under Lyall when we would sometimes win 6 on the bounce or so it felt. And the way to do that is to start putting away more of our chances, and the way to do *that* is IMVHO to play our best finisher Chaplin and Aluko. |
Agree on Chaplin playing, he offers another goal threat and that takes some pressure off Bonne. Move Celina out left where we know he can play effectively and where nobody else has nailed down the shirt. Aluko is a tough one as Burns has been very good this season, for me that's a toss up and might depend on how the opposition set up. Where there's likely to be space in behind or lots of one on one opportunities I'd favour Burns with his pace and directness, where teams are sitting off I think Aluko has a bit more craft and guile to make stuff happen in those games. Whoever we pick we really could do with putting together a proper run though as you say, really knocking out 4 wins in 5 or 5 wins in 6 or something of that ilk. That's what sides that win promotion do and despite the protestations of some fans, that's not where we're at yet. | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 10:37 - Nov 14 with 516 views | Chrisd |
Our defence certainly looks like it is improving since the start of the season, but we need to be consistently resolute and that for me is where we differentiate. The top sides normally have the best defensive records and when under the pump stand firm and earn that draw or sneak that tight victory - they enjoy keeping clean sheets. Yesterday was pleasing from that aspect as earlier on in the season we would've lost that.
Think we need to get this desperate need to be in the top 2 out of our heads though, lets get in the top 6 first, stay there and then push on. [Post edited 14 Nov 2021 10:41]
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| How to become a top two side then? on 10:54 - Nov 14 with 495 views | chicoazul |
| How to become a top two side then? on 10:17 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
Agree on Chaplin playing, he offers another goal threat and that takes some pressure off Bonne. Move Celina out left where we know he can play effectively and where nobody else has nailed down the shirt. Aluko is a tough one as Burns has been very good this season, for me that's a toss up and might depend on how the opposition set up. Where there's likely to be space in behind or lots of one on one opportunities I'd favour Burns with his pace and directness, where teams are sitting off I think Aluko has a bit more craft and guile to make stuff happen in those games. Whoever we pick we really could do with putting together a proper run though as you say, really knocking out 4 wins in 5 or 5 wins in 6 or something of that ilk. That's what sides that win promotion do and despite the protestations of some fans, that's not where we're at yet. |
In fairness luv it’s been so long since we challenged for anything that you can forgive people for forgetting what promotion form looks like.
Burns isn’t properly fit is he, I don’t know if he has even finished a game he started this season. | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 11:09 - Nov 14 with 478 views | blue62 |
| How to become a top two side then? on 21:01 - Nov 13 by blueboyd |
last time I looked at the table we are not a top six side. watching the game today, we are not a top six side. - stop fooling yourself. |
Oxford are 6th, we’re we any worse than them? So how can you say we’re not good enough to be top six. We had a poor start to the season which should of been expected with so many new players.
Some here are so bloody negative and just love to moan. |  | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:13 - Nov 14 with 475 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:09 - Nov 14 by blue62 |
Oxford are 6th, we’re we any worse than them? So how can you say we’re not good enough to be top six. We had a poor start to the season which should of been expected with so many new players.
Some here are so bloody negative and just love to moan. |
Looking at our first 6 games I don't think we should have been expecting to pick up just 3 points from them, irrespective of the changes we made over the summer. Since then things have improved but frustratingly we're not making up quite as much ground as we'd want to. We're 4 points off the top 6 but several teams above us now have a game in hand over us so that gap is likely to grow. Ideally we'd have wanted to be in and around the top 6 come the halfway point and then push on from there but I think we'll be a little short of that. Top 6 should be achievable though but it'd help us a lot if we could string a few wins together. | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 11:18 - Nov 14 with 468 views | blueboyd |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:09 - Nov 14 by blue62 |
Oxford are 6th, we’re we any worse than them? So how can you say we’re not good enough to be top six. We had a poor start to the season which should of been expected with so many new players.
Some here are so bloody negative and just love to moan. |
fk me, I am being a realist.... We are 9th. not in the top 6, how is that so difficult to accept. | | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:25 - Nov 14 with 453 views | blue62 |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:18 - Nov 14 by blueboyd |
fk me, I am being a realist.... We are 9th. not in the top 6, how is that so difficult to accept. |
The point is we’re not far off being top six. We played a top six side and matched them, or were better. That’s my point.
If we’re not top six by the end of the season then feel free to have a grizzle. | | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:35 - Nov 14 with 442 views | franz_tyson |
I think we can end up a top two side on form but have to make do with the play-offs. I’d settle for that now.
We are actually improving. Pity we dropped points yesterday, but we ended the game on top and Oxford resorting to sh*t-housery. Just seems we’re slowly getting there.
A couple of additions in January and I’d say we’d have a very decent chance of top six. An outside chance of top two, but have to rely on one of the teams imploding. | | | |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:43 - Nov 14 with 435 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:35 - Nov 14 by franz_tyson |
I think we can end up a top two side on form but have to make do with the play-offs. I’d settle for that now.
We are actually improving. Pity we dropped points yesterday, but we ended the game on top and Oxford resorting to sh*t-housery. Just seems we’re slowly getting there.
A couple of additions in January and I’d say we’d have a very decent chance of top six. An outside chance of top two, but have to rely on one of the teams imploding. |
We could hit 100 points, 100 goals form for the rest of the season and still not make the top 2. If we hit 100 points form for our remaining 29 games we'd get to 87 points which is very borderline for automatic promotion and I suspect this year it'd see us fall just short. We've left ourselves too much to do to make the top 2, imo, so what we need to aim for is a blinding second half of the season where we look to be the best side in the division heading into the play offs. [Post edited 14 Nov 2021 12:11]
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| How to become a top two side then? on 12:09 - Nov 14 with 378 views | chrismakin |
| How to become a top two side then? on 11:43 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
We could hit 100 points, 100 goals form for the rest of the season and still not make the top 2. If we hit 100 points form for our remaining 29 games we'd get to 87 points which is very borderline for automatic promotion and I suspect this year it'd see us fall just short. We've left ourselves too much to do to make the top 2, imo, so what we need to aim for is a blinding second half of the season where we look to be the best side in the division heading into the play offs. [Post edited 14 Nov 2021 12:11]
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I'm not sure why you think it's over.
Since those opening 6 games you speak off, we've played 11. Over those 11 games, we're 4th in the form table. lost only 2 of those 11.
The top 2 sides last season lost 10/11 games each... there's so much time left in this season. |  |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 12:14 - Nov 14 with 372 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 12:09 - Nov 14 by chrismakin |
I'm not sure why you think it's over.
Since those opening 6 games you speak off, we've played 11. Over those 11 games, we're 4th in the form table. lost only 2 of those 11.
The top 2 sides last season lost 10/11 games each... there's so much time left in this season. |
Sustaining our form of the last 11 games over our remaining 29 games will see us finish on 79 points, a long way adrift of automatic promotion and likely somewhere around 5th. We need a fairly big upturn in form from where we are to have any chance of top 2, I think it's unlikely. As you yourself note we're only 4th in the form table over that time and the sides above us in that table are above us in the league, so I'm not sure how you see us competing for top 2 without us improving further. | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 12:19 - Nov 14 with 364 views | chrismakin |
| How to become a top two side then? on 12:14 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
Sustaining our form of the last 11 games over our remaining 29 games will see us finish on 79 points, a long way adrift of automatic promotion and likely somewhere around 5th. We need a fairly big upturn in form from where we are to have any chance of top 2, I think it's unlikely. As you yourself note we're only 4th in the form table over that time and the sides above us in that table are above us in the league, so I'm not sure how you see us competing for top 2 without us improving further. |
Those above similar to us of course have some tough games to follow. But for example wigan still need to play plymouth twice..
I'm still see top 6 being where we finish, probably 6th itself imo. BUT I wouldn't rule out top 2 just yet. | |
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| How to become a top two side then? on 12:23 - Nov 14 with 358 views | Herbivore |
| How to become a top two side then? on 12:19 - Nov 14 by chrismakin |
Those above similar to us of course have some tough games to follow. But for example wigan still need to play plymouth twice..
I'm still see top 6 being where we finish, probably 6th itself imo. BUT I wouldn't rule out top 2 just yet. |
Regardless of what those above us do, our form over the last 11 games - which has been much improved from the first 6 games - would still only see us finish on 79 points if sustained over the rest of the season. That won't see us anywhere near automatic promotion. | |
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