| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. 15:49 - Dec 2 with 6659 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Can anyone name a few managers who came into a club that's been failing for years and turned them round in just one transfer window? I remember the days we used to think 2 or 3 windows were fair.
Did anyone genuinely think EVERY signing would work out this summer? When you go through what Cook has signed, they seem more hit than miss I'd say.
Mick obviously stopped the rot briefly when he came in, and pulled us away from relegation. Ultimately, over the course of his tenure, we were treading water really. We weren't moving forward.
Are there any more/better? I genuinely don't know and am genuinely interested (rather than looking for abuse, so try to be kind). |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:46 - Dec 3 with 734 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:34 - Dec 3 by Herbivore |
It's absolutely bizarre. I think I understand why it's happening but it's very odd to witness. |
You understand the concept of 'patience' then. Not sure why you think it's bizarre though. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:52 - Dec 3 with 724 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:40 - Dec 3 by itfcjoe |
Because all the successful managers earned their 2nd window - it's how management usually works, if you do well, you get more help to continue doing well. |
There have been improvements, if perhaps not as many as we'd have liked.
I get why some people don't think he deserves another window, at this moment I just happen to disagree. If he loses the next few games - say the next 3 - then I'll be thinking he hasn't done enough to deserve the Jan window.
It might have to happen - but it also might set us back again, given that a lot of these players signed for Cook. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:55 - Dec 3 with 707 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
All of this is pointless for the (very few) examples posted there can be just as many, in fact far more examples where giving a manager time pays dividends...Wigan could yet do an Ipsiwch and slide out of contention (I don't think they will).
The fact the people need to reach for an example that hasn't fully played out yet tells its only story and if we use that criteria to judge our last manager then PL did a great job for the last 2 seasons.
There is a sense of entitlement creeping in to our fanbase that I find quite deplorable |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:55 - Dec 3 with 708 views | itfcjoe |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:52 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There have been improvements, if perhaps not as many as we'd have liked.
I get why some people don't think he deserves another window, at this moment I just happen to disagree. If he loses the next few games - say the next 3 - then I'll be thinking he hasn't done enough to deserve the Jan window.
It might have to happen - but it also might set us back again, given that a lot of these players signed for Cook. |
If Cook is here in January, which I'm sure is more likely than not - he absolutely shouldn't get the chance to revamp the squad again.
It would be chucking good money after bad in my view, and further hamstringing any potential replacement - the squad can be tweaked, but he hasn't earned the right to recruit more expensive players on long term deals. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:04 - Dec 3 with 698 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:55 - Dec 3 by itfcjoe |
If Cook is here in January, which I'm sure is more likely than not - he absolutely shouldn't get the chance to revamp the squad again.
It would be chucking good money after bad in my view, and further hamstringing any potential replacement - the squad can be tweaked, but he hasn't earned the right to recruit more expensive players on long term deals. |
If you're not allowing him to recruit in Jan then you might as well get rid. But if you mean do a Demolition Man job again, then no. But I don't think anyone is suggesting or expecting that. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:04 - Dec 3 with 696 views | tractorboy1978 |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:40 - Dec 3 by Dubtractor |
You'd think Cook had taken on Blackpool post Oystons, not a fairly stable but underperforming club at the top end of league one. |
How people can argue we were in a worse position than Wigan, who were in administration and had to sell every half decent player they had 18 months ago, is beyond me. |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:05 - Dec 3 with 690 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:04 - Dec 3 by tractorboy1978 |
How people can argue we were in a worse position than Wigan, who were in administration and had to sell every half decent player they had 18 months ago, is beyond me. |
Err, no-one has argued that. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:07 - Dec 3 with 673 views | tractorboy1978 |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:05 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Err, no-one has argued that. |
ArnieM has. | | | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:13 - Dec 3 with 654 views | Herbivore |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:55 - Dec 3 by itfcjoe |
If Cook is here in January, which I'm sure is more likely than not - he absolutely shouldn't get the chance to revamp the squad again.
It would be chucking good money after bad in my view, and further hamstringing any potential replacement - the squad can be tweaked, but he hasn't earned the right to recruit more expensive players on long term deals. |
Agreed. It's interesting that those who are saying we absolutely have to give Cook more time and that so many new players have made things hard are now saying we also need to bin off players who have been at the club just a few months and sign a load more. The cognitive dissonance needed to think Cook isn't failing at this point is quite striking. [Post edited 3 Dec 2021 9:15]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:15 - Dec 3 with 651 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:45 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Fair enough, I want sustained long-term improvement.
I get why people are unhappy... but I also think the "Cook out" stuff is premature, particularly when he's only had one window. Lambert had 5 windows before he got the boot. |
Lambert should never have been given 5 windows though. I’m not sure ‘Lambert was given lots of time so Cook should too’ is quite the argument you think it is, particularly when most people were calling for him to go long before then and you were deriding those people for being impatient in the same way that you have been with Cook |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:16 - Dec 3 with 640 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:13 - Dec 3 by Herbivore |
Agreed. It's interesting that those who are saying we absolutely have to give Cook more time and that so many new players have made things hard are now saying we also need to bin off players who have been at the club just a few months and sign a load more. The cognitive dissonance needed to think Cook isn't failing at this point is quite striking. [Post edited 3 Dec 2021 9:15]
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You expected every signing to work then? When has that ever happened? | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:18 - Dec 3 with 627 views | Herbivore |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:15 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Lambert should never have been given 5 windows though. I’m not sure ‘Lambert was given lots of time so Cook should too’ is quite the argument you think it is, particularly when most people were calling for him to go long before then and you were deriding those people for being impatient in the same way that you have been with Cook |
It's a bizarre argument. If you listen to the Cook apologists he inherited a total mess from Lambert, a club that required huge turning around. Now I don't buy that narrative myself, but if we assume it's true then it's surely a strong argument for not sticking with a failing manager for so long? And given that Cook has failed harder than Lambert thus far, I'm not sure how the argument works for giving him more time rather than less. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:19 - Dec 3 with 619 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:15 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Lambert should never have been given 5 windows though. I’m not sure ‘Lambert was given lots of time so Cook should too’ is quite the argument you think it is, particularly when most people were calling for him to go long before then and you were deriding those people for being impatient in the same way that you have been with Cook |
He evidently shouldn't have got 5 and I'm not saying ‘Lambert was given lots of time so Cook should too’. I'm saying Cook should get more than 1 window (unless there's a major collapse between now and then).
I hardly think asking for more than 1 window for a previously very successful manager is unfair. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:22 - Dec 3 with 609 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:18 - Dec 3 by Herbivore |
It's a bizarre argument. If you listen to the Cook apologists he inherited a total mess from Lambert, a club that required huge turning around. Now I don't buy that narrative myself, but if we assume it's true then it's surely a strong argument for not sticking with a failing manager for so long? And given that Cook has failed harder than Lambert thus far, I'm not sure how the argument works for giving him more time rather than less. |
Because Cook has had nowhere near the time Lambert had.
Maybe you think Cook's had enough time already. Many others don't - and there's nothing bizarre about that. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:23 - Dec 3 with 602 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:07 - Dec 3 by tractorboy1978 |
ArnieM has. |
Has he, I must've missed that. Not "people" though is it, if it's one person? | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:29 - Dec 3 with 586 views | tractorboy1978 |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:23 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Has he, I must've missed that. Not "people" though is it, if it's one person? |
To be honest the tone of your responses on this thread suggests you've got some sympathy with Cook relative to Richardson too. You must agree Richardson has done a far superior job from a far weaker position? | | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:45 - Dec 3 with 555 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:29 - Dec 3 by tractorboy1978 |
To be honest the tone of your responses on this thread suggests you've got some sympathy with Cook relative to Richardson too. You must agree Richardson has done a far superior job from a far weaker position? |
Yeah I do so far, albeit, as I've said, Richardson had been at Wigan for 4 years. But yes, given the state of the club and turnover of players, he's got them going this season better than Cook has us so far. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 11:49 - Dec 3 with 495 views | Herbivore |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 09:29 - Dec 3 by tractorboy1978 |
To be honest the tone of your responses on this thread suggests you've got some sympathy with Cook relative to Richardson too. You must agree Richardson has done a far superior job from a far weaker position? |
I would imagine that currently Cook is working with more players he was working with 3-4 years ago than Richardson is. Caveat Cook really is the Teflon Don in some quarters. | |
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