| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. 15:49 - Dec 2 with 6657 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Can anyone name a few managers who came into a club that's been failing for years and turned them round in just one transfer window? I remember the days we used to think 2 or 3 windows were fair.
Did anyone genuinely think EVERY signing would work out this summer? When you go through what Cook has signed, they seem more hit than miss I'd say.
Mick obviously stopped the rot briefly when he came in, and pulled us away from relegation. Ultimately, over the course of his tenure, we were treading water really. We weren't moving forward.
Are there any more/better? I genuinely don't know and am genuinely interested (rather than looking for abuse, so try to be kind). |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:12 - Dec 2 with 1306 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:08 - Dec 2 by DanTheMan |
"Nice try"
Condescending, nice.
A whole two weeks, wow. He signed one whole player, a loan keeper. I'm sure that was all that was needed to turn the club around.
You're not really interested in a discussion though. You're asking for something so unbelievably specific that nobody is going to be able to meet your criteria.
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Not at all. I am genuinely interested in the discussion. Lambert comes close, and Joe's answer of Mark Robins is a good shout.
Sorry for the "nice try" but it looked like you tried to make your answer work by adding a word in once you'd realised you were wrong. I appreciate 2 weeks isn't long, but as I said to makin, I'm sure it would be ample opportunity if Cook had had it. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:12 - Dec 2 with 1300 views | Fixed_It |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:38 - Dec 2 by chrismakin |
I'd have loved to have seen their faces last week when the whiteboard showed fraser. Celina. Chaplin.. |
I'm sure their thoughts were mainly with Aluko who had to pull out due to his father's death... |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:13 - Dec 2 with 1300 views | itfcjoe |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:27 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Whilst that's an excellent shout for turning a club around, that's several transfer windows he's had there. Certainly even with 2 Cook will struggle to get us up this year, but he's still currently on 1 window.
But yeah, that's an excellent job, I'll grant you that. |
So a manager who turns a club round after one transfer window (14 out and 20 in) and then continues to improve them doesn’t count because he’s had more than one window since then?! |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:15 - Dec 2 with 1272 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:12 - Dec 2 by Fixed_It |
I'm sure their thoughts were mainly with Aluko who had to pull out due to his father's death... |
Of course
Not sure Aluko playing would have stopped fraser being on the left Tho. A move which surely baffles the players everytime it happens. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 17:19]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:17 - Dec 2 with 1270 views | TheIpswichWay |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:43 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Had 2 windows... |
By the time the January window opened Norwich were third in the league though not hovering around mid-table so you'd have to say that's a turnaround already. |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:18 - Dec 2 with 1267 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:09 - Dec 2 by chrismakin |
Hang on. You didn't say anything about promotion you said turned them around.
At both pompy and Wigan in 1 window he brought in a load of players. They had solid pre seasons and started the first 2 months winning games..( see the difference with here?) and subsequently having successful seasons in comparison to the season before. Which is what you asked for. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 17:09]
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Cook took Pompey to 6th in League 2 in his first season and they lost in the play offs. I mean, it depends what you call turning a club around. Currently Cook is doing worse in league placings but he could still make 6th, he's only had one window... and it's in a higher league. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:18 - Dec 2 with 1266 views | tractorboy1978 |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:13 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
So a manager who turns a club round after one transfer window (14 out and 20 in) and then continues to improve them doesn’t count because he’s had more than one window since then?! |
He should have got them from L2 to the Championship within 1 transfer window. | | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:22 - Dec 2 with 1250 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:13 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
So a manager who turns a club round after one transfer window (14 out and 20 in) and then continues to improve them doesn’t count because he’s had more than one window since then?! |
He had two. The summer window of 2017 and the Jan window of 2018. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:24 - Dec 2 with 1224 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:18 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Cook took Pompey to 6th in League 2 in his first season and they lost in the play offs. I mean, it depends what you call turning a club around. Currently Cook is doing worse in league placings but he could still make 6th, he's only had one window... and it's in a higher league. |
Well taking a club who had finished 16th in league the season before
To play off form after 1 window. Finishing in playoffs in first season. That's quite a turnaround.
But leam was part of that. And Wigans. But not here. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:28 - Dec 2 with 1226 views | jayessess |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:54 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The summer transfer window closes on August 31st. Lambert was appointed on August 18th.
Ah, I see you've edited to say WHOLE window. Nice try, but I didn't say whole window. Lambert still had 2 weeks to sign players... and then again in the Jan window. |
By January 1st Norwich City were already 3rd in the league and had just won 10 of their prior 13 games. They were "turned round" long before the January 2011 transfer window.
Like, I don't really understand your question here. Essentially you seem to be asking "have any managers improved a club's league position within a short period" and there are dozens and dozens of managers who have done that.
Mick McCarthy 2013-14, appointed with Ipswich 24th (November 2012), had us 19th by the end of December (0 windows!), 14th by the end of the season (1 window).
Paul Jewell, 2010-11, appointed with Ipswich 19th (January 2011), had us 13th by the end of the season (half a window).
This is an incredibly low bar to clear? [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 17:39]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:50 - Dec 2 with 1181 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:28 - Dec 2 by jayessess |
By January 1st Norwich City were already 3rd in the league and had just won 10 of their prior 13 games. They were "turned round" long before the January 2011 transfer window.
Like, I don't really understand your question here. Essentially you seem to be asking "have any managers improved a club's league position within a short period" and there are dozens and dozens of managers who have done that.
Mick McCarthy 2013-14, appointed with Ipswich 24th (November 2012), had us 19th by the end of December (0 windows!), 14th by the end of the season (1 window).
Paul Jewell, 2010-11, appointed with Ipswich 19th (January 2011), had us 13th by the end of the season (half a window).
This is an incredibly low bar to clear? [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 17:39]
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No that's not what I'm asking. "Turned a club round after 1 window" means a lot more than just getting them up a few league places, obviously.
Lambert is a good shout, as is Robbins. Those clubs went on further (even after promotion) so I'd agree they were turned round. Cook could still make the playoffs (and thus promotion) so he could be in the process of turning us round.
My point, overall, is there aren't really (as far as I was aware) many examples of managers turning a club around after one window. If Cook ends up say 10th this season (which would then be after 2 windows) I would agree that's not good enough. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:55 - Dec 2 with 1159 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:50 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No that's not what I'm asking. "Turned a club round after 1 window" means a lot more than just getting them up a few league places, obviously.
Lambert is a good shout, as is Robbins. Those clubs went on further (even after promotion) so I'd agree they were turned round. Cook could still make the playoffs (and thus promotion) so he could be in the process of turning us round.
My point, overall, is there aren't really (as far as I was aware) many examples of managers turning a club around after one window. If Cook ends up say 10th this season (which would then be after 2 windows) I would agree that's not good enough. |
So you're question isn't who turned a club around
It's who won promotion after just 1 window. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:00 - Dec 2 with 1167 views | LankHenners |
“I’m genuinely interested in answers to my question but unless you agree with my OP 100% then I’ll repeatedly reply to you throughout the thread telling you that you’re wrong”.
Great stuff, as always. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:03 - Dec 2 with 1160 views | jayessess |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:50 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No that's not what I'm asking. "Turned a club round after 1 window" means a lot more than just getting them up a few league places, obviously.
Lambert is a good shout, as is Robbins. Those clubs went on further (even after promotion) so I'd agree they were turned round. Cook could still make the playoffs (and thus promotion) so he could be in the process of turning us round.
My point, overall, is there aren't really (as far as I was aware) many examples of managers turning a club around after one window. If Cook ends up say 10th this season (which would then be after 2 windows) I would agree that's not good enough. |
More "arbitrarily" rather than "obviously".
By definition the maximum a manager can do "after 1 window" is improve the club's league position. This is a feat that managers achieve all the time. You've had 4 examples already, you just happened not to like them.
Here's some more League One examples.
Lee Johnson, appointed with Sunderland in 9th, finished 4th after one window.
Liam Manning, appointed MK Dons boss, finished 13th last season, are currently 5th in L1, after one window.
You could go on and on and on with examples like this, it's an utterly commonplace occurrence. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:04 - Dec 2 with 1163 views | BlueBadger |
Never mind me, we'e already had that one. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 18:08]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:33 - Dec 2 with 1109 views | catch74 |
Cook genuinely thought one transfer window would be enough/ transfers would work out - that was whilst ME was still in control of the purse strings.
Watson from EADT covering some old Cook quotes.
‘Asked how long it would take for him to get the club going, Cook quipped: “Tell Marcus (Evans) eight windows, lads! Let’s tell Marcus it takes managers eight windows to achieve success and, if we can get him believing that then we’ve got a right good chance.
“In honesty, and I don’t mind telling you, for me it’s one window and a pre-season.” ‘
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:55 - Dec 2 with 1063 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:54 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The summer transfer window closes on August 31st. Lambert was appointed on August 18th.
Ah, I see you've edited to say WHOLE window. Nice try, but I didn't say whole window. Lambert still had 2 weeks to sign players... and then again in the Jan window. |
Even if you count that as a window, Norwich were 22nd when Lambert took over, and he had them in 3rd on 31st Dec, before the next window opened
EDIT: see this point has already been made, but somehow doesn’t count as turning them around. Presumably he should have had them in the Champions League by then [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 19:02]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:20 - Dec 2 with 993 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:00 - Dec 2 by LankHenners |
“I’m genuinely interested in answers to my question but unless you agree with my OP 100% then I’ll repeatedly reply to you throughout the thread telling you that you’re wrong”.
Great stuff, as always. |
I've agreed with several posters and it's been a fairly agreeable discussion. But that doesn't stop you (and your arrowers) having a pop does it?
However, where people are wrong (such as makin saying Cook had 1 window at pompey when he had 4) then I'm obviously going to tell them. Facts are kinda important. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:23 - Dec 2 with 981 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 18:55 - Dec 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Even if you count that as a window, Norwich were 22nd when Lambert took over, and he had them in 3rd on 31st Dec, before the next window opened
EDIT: see this point has already been made, but somehow doesn’t count as turning them around. Presumably he should have had them in the Champions League by then [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 19:02]
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Did you miss the bit (several times actually) where I said Lambert was a good shout? | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:25 - Dec 2 with 978 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
So in conclusion, it looks like the best people for the ITFC job, in terms of turning a club around quickly and who we could actually get, are...
Paul Cook
Paul Lambert
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:33 - Dec 2 with 963 views | pennblue |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:17 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
Mark Robins at Coventry - a club had gone backwards for years....
Appointed March 2017.
Promoted from League 2 17-18
8th in League 1
League 1 Champions
16th in Championship
And for all the talk of there being 'so much wrong' at ITFC, Evans was just hapless - their owners had kicked them out of their ground and City. We don't know what proper hardship is. |
So if you like stats, and Mark Robins is one manager in 24? 48? teams to have done that. Are you looking for us to change managers 48 times until we find another Mark Robins? Is that your strategy?
Asking for a friend of a friend | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:48 - Dec 2 with 936 views | reusersfreekicks |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 17:50 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No that's not what I'm asking. "Turned a club round after 1 window" means a lot more than just getting them up a few league places, obviously.
Lambert is a good shout, as is Robbins. Those clubs went on further (even after promotion) so I'd agree they were turned round. Cook could still make the playoffs (and thus promotion) so he could be in the process of turning us round.
My point, overall, is there aren't really (as far as I was aware) many examples of managers turning a club around after one window. If Cook ends up say 10th this season (which would then be after 2 windows) I would agree that's not good enough. |
Tuchel? Roy H at Fulham? Sure there are plenty |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:50 - Dec 2 with 934 views | pennblue |
1 full season, with a 1 year extension if we have shown enough progress (2nd half of the season performance important). | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:09 - Dec 2 with 891 views | itfcjoe |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 20:33 - Dec 2 by pennblue |
So if you like stats, and Mark Robins is one manager in 24? 48? teams to have done that. Are you looking for us to change managers 48 times until we find another Mark Robins? Is that your strategy?
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An example was asked for and I gave one.
Here's one for you - find me a manager who has done as badly as Cook with a side on the verge of the play offs, and then subsequently as title favourites and turned it round afterwards | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:24 - Dec 2 with 848 views | Yallop |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:09 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
An example was asked for and I gave one.
Here's one for you - find me a manager who has done as badly as Cook with a side on the verge of the play offs, and then subsequently as title favourites and turned it round afterwards |
"Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie". 3 years into his Man U reign he finished December just above the relegation zone. |  | | |
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