| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. 15:49 - Dec 2 with 6660 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Can anyone name a few managers who came into a club that's been failing for years and turned them round in just one transfer window? I remember the days we used to think 2 or 3 windows were fair.
Did anyone genuinely think EVERY signing would work out this summer? When you go through what Cook has signed, they seem more hit than miss I'd say.
Mick obviously stopped the rot briefly when he came in, and pulled us away from relegation. Ultimately, over the course of his tenure, we were treading water really. We weren't moving forward.
Are there any more/better? I genuinely don't know and am genuinely interested (rather than looking for abuse, so try to be kind). |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:31 - Dec 2 with 725 views | jayessess |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:24 - Dec 2 by Yallop |
"Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie". 3 years into his Man U reign he finished December just above the relegation zone. |
Swing and miss.
Manchester United improved their league position both in the season Fergie was appointed and in his first full season. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:38 - Dec 2 with 702 views | pennblue |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:09 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
An example was asked for and I gave one.
Here's one for you - find me a manager who has done as badly as Cook with a side on the verge of the play offs, and then subsequently as title favourites and turned it round afterwards |
The answer is actually Paul Cook, let’s this pick this up again in Feb. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:42 - Dec 2 with 693 views | Yallop |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:31 - Dec 2 by jayessess |
Swing and miss.
Manchester United improved their league position both in the season Fergie was appointed and in his first full season. |
They finished 85/86 - 4th with Big Ron in charge.
They finished 86/87 - 11th with Sir Alex in charge.
Loyalty sometimes pays off. |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:45 - Dec 2 with 686 views | jayessess |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:38 - Dec 2 by pennblue |
The answer is actually Paul Cook, let’s this pick this up again in Feb. |
The answer is actually dozens of currently active managers, because it's incredibly common for new managers to immediately improve their new club's league position. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:00 - Dec 2 with 675 views | itfcjoe |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:24 - Dec 2 by Yallop |
"Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie". 3 years into his Man U reign he finished December just above the relegation zone. |
Is this the same Fergie who flew them up the table in his first season and then came second in his first full season? |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:01 - Dec 2 with 658 views | itfcjoe |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:42 - Dec 2 by Yallop |
They finished 85/86 - 4th with Big Ron in charge.
They finished 86/87 - 11th with Sir Alex in charge.
Loyalty sometimes pays off. |
They were 21st in November 1986 when he was appointed | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:05 - Dec 2 with 629 views | jayessess |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:42 - Dec 2 by Yallop |
They finished 85/86 - 4th with Big Ron in charge.
They finished 86/87 - 11th with Sir Alex in charge.
Loyalty sometimes pays off. |
Where were they when Ferguson was appointed? | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:10 - Dec 2 with 613 views | Yallop |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:01 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
They were 21st in November 1986 when he was appointed |
You obviously know more than Man u fans whose opinion was "three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie"
You asked for examples how about.
89/90 season under John Duncan we finished 9th.
90/91 season under John Lyall we finished 14th. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 22:16]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:42 - Dec 2 with 573 views | JDB23 |
Jesus this thread has been painful to read.
I'll give another example. Nuno took over a Wolves team that had finished 14th and 15th the 2 season prior. They won the league with 99 points and won 15 of their first 20 games. That meet your extremely specific criteria? | | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 06:40 - Dec 3 with 505 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:42 - Dec 2 by JDB23 |
Jesus this thread has been painful to read.
I'll give another example. Nuno took over a Wolves team that had finished 14th and 15th the 2 season prior. They won the league with 99 points and won 15 of their first 20 games. That meet your extremely specific criteria? |
Wolves also signed 25 players that Summer |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:16 - Dec 3 with 472 views | ArnieM |
OP: You raise exactly the same points (I’ve tried without success) to raise on here . I concur with all you say.
Forget last season. Those players downed tools because they knew they would be shown the door at the end of the season - something 99.99% of fans wanted to see happen. PC’s new squad isn’t firing on all cylinders. The players brought in would be well aware of what was required of them and where we are currently at. All were happy to have signed, many knowing what PC’s preferred system is all about. Are they all delivering? No, they are not!
It’s easy to point the point at the manager . But players too, must take their share of responsibility and up their own games. Once again on Wednesday night , having been given another opportunity to show Cook he needs to consider them for the first team , they failed , big time.
If some of these players can’t produce the goods their previous stats , and they themselves promise then they’ll get moved out and other players will be brought in.
It won’t be Demolition Man again in January ( Cooks 2nd window), but I can see 2-3 coming in and going out, and Paul Cook won’t be one of them and rightly so! |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:28 - Dec 3 with 464 views | ArnieM |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:21 - Dec 2 by chrismakin |
PC was already here lol. |
Yes PC was already here , but his inherited squad went from a wonderful run of a 3 game win to absolute zero once the take over was announced and those players knew they’d be on their way . This is a squad that did absolutely nothing in three years under PL!
Wigan’s “ new” manager had none of that to contend with . He had a squad that knew him and his ways and were “on board“. Totally different situations. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:52 - Dec 3 with 446 views | gazzer1999 |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:28 - Dec 3 by ArnieM |
Yes PC was already here , but his inherited squad went from a wonderful run of a 3 game win to absolute zero once the take over was announced and those players knew they’d be on their way . This is a squad that did absolutely nothing in three years under PL!
Wigan’s “ new” manager had none of that to contend with . He had a squad that knew him and his ways and were “on board“. Totally different situations. |
Crikey you are like a stuck record. Paul Cook has been a complete disaster from the day he came through the door, his coaching team are poor and most managers who perform as badly as he has would have been gone weeks ago. He doesn't even offer any excuses as to why they the performances are so poor either.
I agree it looks like he will be here in January, so he can consider himself a lucky man as currently he is nowhere near being good enough. I go every week hoping for a win and good performance, to date I have seen that once at Portman Road under him verses a very poor Doncaster.
To reference one of your statements regarding Wigan who knew the manager, ways and were on board, how many knew Cook, played for him before, and are on board? Totally similar situations. |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:06 - Dec 3 with 431 views | Herbivore |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:16 - Dec 3 by ArnieM |
OP: You raise exactly the same points (I’ve tried without success) to raise on here . I concur with all you say.
Forget last season. Those players downed tools because they knew they would be shown the door at the end of the season - something 99.99% of fans wanted to see happen. PC’s new squad isn’t firing on all cylinders. The players brought in would be well aware of what was required of them and where we are currently at. All were happy to have signed, many knowing what PC’s preferred system is all about. Are they all delivering? No, they are not!
It’s easy to point the point at the manager . But players too, must take their share of responsibility and up their own games. Once again on Wednesday night , having been given another opportunity to show Cook he needs to consider them for the first team , they failed , big time.
If some of these players can’t produce the goods their previous stats , and they themselves promise then they’ll get moved out and other players will be brought in.
It won’t be Demolition Man again in January ( Cooks 2nd window), but I can see 2-3 coming in and going out, and Paul Cook won’t be one of them and rightly so! |
And it's back to all being the players' fault. How unlucky is Cook that he's had two squads to work with and they've all just let him down. Teflon Paul really is unfortunate, he's doing everything right except getting the players to play for him. More players it is then, at least that opens up gelling as an excuse again. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:08 - Dec 3 with 425 views | DanTheMan |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 06:40 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Wolves also signed 25 players that Summer |
Did anybody tell them they were supposed to be gelling for the first half of the season? |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:08 - Dec 3 with 422 views | Herbivore |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:28 - Dec 3 by ArnieM |
Yes PC was already here , but his inherited squad went from a wonderful run of a 3 game win to absolute zero once the take over was announced and those players knew they’d be on their way . This is a squad that did absolutely nothing in three years under PL!
Wigan’s “ new” manager had none of that to contend with . He had a squad that knew him and his ways and were “on board“. Totally different situations. |
You are aware that Wigan also signed like 17 players in the summer, so Richardson knowing last year's squad is rather irrelevant. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:24 - Dec 3 with 413 views | Dubtractor |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:08 - Dec 3 by Herbivore |
You are aware that Wigan also signed like 17 players in the summer, so Richardson knowing last year's squad is rather irrelevant. |
So many excuses among our fan base right now.
I have problem at all with people still supporting Cook, much less with people saying its too soon to make a change (I think he gets the next month fwiw) , but ffs people at least apply some constructive criticism. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:27 - Dec 3 with 410 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 21:45 - Dec 2 by jayessess |
The answer is actually dozens of currently active managers, because it's incredibly common for new managers to immediately improve their new club's league position. |
I've said several times (and in the OP) "turned the club around". And even said explicitly "going up a few league places initially isn't turning the club around." It needs to be big improvement and the start of sustained improvement. I don't know why this is difficult to grasp. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:32 - Dec 3 with 400 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 22:42 - Dec 2 by JDB23 |
Jesus this thread has been painful to read.
I'll give another example. Nuno took over a Wolves team that had finished 14th and 15th the 2 season prior. They won the league with 99 points and won 15 of their first 20 games. That meet your extremely specific criteria? |
Yep, that's a great shout. Not sure why you needed to be so aggressive about it. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:34 - Dec 3 with 396 views | Herbivore |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:24 - Dec 3 by Dubtractor |
So many excuses among our fan base right now.
I have problem at all with people still supporting Cook, much less with people saying its too soon to make a change (I think he gets the next month fwiw) , but ffs people at least apply some constructive criticism. |
It's absolutely bizarre. I think I understand why it's happening but it's very odd to witness. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:37 - Dec 3 with 382 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:27 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've said several times (and in the OP) "turned the club around". And even said explicitly "going up a few league places initially isn't turning the club around." It needs to be big improvement and the start of sustained improvement. I don't know why this is difficult to grasp. |
We were 7th when Cook took over. All people who are unhappy at the start of this season want is for us to be at the top end of the league, which is literally an improvement of a few places | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:38 - Dec 3 with 377 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 07:16 - Dec 3 by ArnieM |
OP: You raise exactly the same points (I’ve tried without success) to raise on here . I concur with all you say.
Forget last season. Those players downed tools because they knew they would be shown the door at the end of the season - something 99.99% of fans wanted to see happen. PC’s new squad isn’t firing on all cylinders. The players brought in would be well aware of what was required of them and where we are currently at. All were happy to have signed, many knowing what PC’s preferred system is all about. Are they all delivering? No, they are not!
It’s easy to point the point at the manager . But players too, must take their share of responsibility and up their own games. Once again on Wednesday night , having been given another opportunity to show Cook he needs to consider them for the first team , they failed , big time.
If some of these players can’t produce the goods their previous stats , and they themselves promise then they’ll get moved out and other players will be brought in.
It won’t be Demolition Man again in January ( Cooks 2nd window), but I can see 2-3 coming in and going out, and Paul Cook won’t be one of them and rightly so! |
To be fair, it's Cook's job to motivate those players. But I agree, he should get another window to replace the players that didn't quite work out (for whatever reason). The successful managers mentioned in this thread all got a second window to do just that, so I don't see why Cook should be any different. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:40 - Dec 3 with 372 views | Dubtractor |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:37 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We were 7th when Cook took over. All people who are unhappy at the start of this season want is for us to be at the top end of the league, which is literally an improvement of a few places |
You'd think Cook had taken on Blackpool post Oystons, not a fairly stable but underperforming club at the top end of league one. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:40 - Dec 3 with 372 views | itfcjoe |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:38 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
To be fair, it's Cook's job to motivate those players. But I agree, he should get another window to replace the players that didn't quite work out (for whatever reason). The successful managers mentioned in this thread all got a second window to do just that, so I don't see why Cook should be any different. |
Because all the successful managers earned their 2nd window - it's how management usually works, if you do well, you get more help to continue doing well. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:45 - Dec 3 with 360 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 08:37 - Dec 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
We were 7th when Cook took over. All people who are unhappy at the start of this season want is for us to be at the top end of the league, which is literally an improvement of a few places |
Fair enough, I want sustained long-term improvement.
I get why people are unhappy... but I also think the "Cook out" stuff is premature, particularly when he's only had one window. Lambert had 5 windows before he got the boot. | |
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