| Novak vs Aussie govt 22:23 - Jan 9 with 5691 views | bluelagos |
Who is your money on?
I reckon Novak gets in.
(That is not an endorsement of his vaccination status, conduct or views) |  |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:47 - Jan 10 with 720 views | bluelagos |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:21 - Jan 10 by ElderGrizzly |
I fully expect that is what they will get him on.
Admitted in court to ignoring law in Serbia on self-isolation by submission of the positive date and they will say what will stop him doing the same here. Either by falsifying a test or ignoring the result.
From professional experience, you don’t often win in ‘fights’ with the borders of any country as they will rightly say their job is to protect their citizens not the individual. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 9:22]
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But the public health argument doesn't stack - if his positive test was valid in Dec - he will now be immune from catching CV for a while so is no danger to anyone.
That he broke whatever rules there are in Serbia - can't see how that is relevant in an Aussie court room.
The one bit that surely would get him refused entry is if the claimed PCR test is shown not to be genuine? Then he has presented false evidence / documentation on his visa application.
The far bigger issue for me (which resonates with the UK) is the role of the judiciary vs the government/politicians. The judiciary are rightly separate from the government/politicians and any refusal to allow him entry that is based on a politicians wishes rather than on the immigration rules leaves a very sour taste in the mouth.
I think lots of people are letting their distaste for ND colour what is happening here. Feels to me that a visa applicant is being refused entry because of public opinion / dislike of the individual. That's one hell of a dangerous route to be going down. | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:49 - Jan 10 with 702 views | bluelagos |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:36 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
I am going to come right out and say it: I don't believe Djokovic had Covid in December. |
I suspect you may be right. But until that is proven - you can't really be making decisions on suspicions can you? | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:53 - Jan 10 with 695 views | RamRob |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:43 - Jan 10 by ElderGrizzly |
You don’t believe a man got Covid just far enough away from a tournament for him to use it to his ‘advantage’
You cynic… |
Either that or he purposefully got himself infected |  |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:56 - Jan 10 with 695 views | thecheek |
Nice response from Andy Murray to Farage flying out to Serbia ahead of the court ruling
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:56 - Jan 10 with 684 views | N2_Blue |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:53 - Jan 10 by RamRob |
Either that or he purposefully got himself infected |
To purposely get yourself infected by a virus but not be willing to get a vaccine is one of the dumbest things i've heard (if he has done that). |  |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:59 - Jan 10 with 672 views | RamRob |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:47 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
But the public health argument doesn't stack - if his positive test was valid in Dec - he will now be immune from catching CV for a while so is no danger to anyone.
That he broke whatever rules there are in Serbia - can't see how that is relevant in an Aussie court room.
The one bit that surely would get him refused entry is if the claimed PCR test is shown not to be genuine? Then he has presented false evidence / documentation on his visa application.
The far bigger issue for me (which resonates with the UK) is the role of the judiciary vs the government/politicians. The judiciary are rightly separate from the government/politicians and any refusal to allow him entry that is based on a politicians wishes rather than on the immigration rules leaves a very sour taste in the mouth.
I think lots of people are letting their distaste for ND colour what is happening here. Feels to me that a visa applicant is being refused entry because of public opinion / dislike of the individual. That's one hell of a dangerous route to be going down. |
I think there are genuine questions about the validity of his visa, just because someone has the necessary documents doesn't mean they are legit | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:02 - Jan 10 with 660 views | RamRob |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:56 - Jan 10 by N2_Blue |
To purposely get yourself infected by a virus but not be willing to get a vaccine is one of the dumbest things i've heard (if he has done that). |
Evidence does point to exactly that. He needed to submit his application to Tennis Australia by the 10th December to enter the Aussie Open, he didn't qualify for an exemption at that point as he is unvaccinated, then miraculously he catches covid less than a week later, and is granted a medical exemption. He's had covid before with no major issues so thinks it doesn't matter. | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:06 - Jan 10 with 643 views | bluelagos |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:59 - Jan 10 by RamRob |
I think there are genuine questions about the validity of his visa, just because someone has the necessary documents doesn't mean they are legit |
Of course the docs need to be genuine. To be falsifying docs would be stupid in the extreme - and illegal am sure.
But unless that is shown / proven... | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:08 - Jan 10 with 639 views | WD19 |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:36 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
I am going to come right out and say it: I don't believe Djokovic had Covid in December. |
There are simple antibody tests that could show this so he can prove it if he wants....
I have some on my desk in front of me if he would like one....
Give me a call Novak. I can clear your reputation in no time..... |  | | |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:11 - Jan 10 with 623 views | RamRob |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:06 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
Of course the docs need to be genuine. To be falsifying docs would be stupid in the extreme - and illegal am sure.
But unless that is shown / proven... |
I don't think he himself falsified anything, I just don't think Tennis Australia should've given him the exemption by their own rules. The Federal government should be able to question whether Tennis Australia was correct in giving him the exemption. | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:26 - Jan 10 with 583 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Blokes a complete kn0bhead who’s never had any regard for the rules, talks absolute nonsense about Covid as if he’s some sort of expert and is so far up his own arse it’s unreal.
But a part of me hopes he gets in still somehow just so he can be relentlessly booed and made to realise what a Grade A w**ker he is. I’m pretty much all subjects. |  |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:28 - Jan 10 with 577 views | ReusersTown |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 07:29 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
Well summarised R.
Piece in the Sunday Times yesterday that explains he is not antivaxxer rather has refused to take the vaccine.
Of course that position willl be ignored by both sides, him being lauded by the antivaxxers and condemned as an antivaxxer simultaneously.
If he gets to play as looks likely, he'll get booed. Tbh, if I was him, having been allowed in, I'd give it a swerve this year. Cant see how his head will be in the right place...
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"...that explains he is not antivaxxer" should probably read "that claims he is not an antivaxxer" given the point is debatable (as per the rest of the thread)
Left it as was as I think it wrong to change something that's wrong, but happy to correct it. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 8:59]
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Apart from the fact he is antivaxxer and has been for some time, hence all the suspicion and rumours around his covid vaccination status. |  | | |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:28 - Jan 10 with 575 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:47 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
But the public health argument doesn't stack - if his positive test was valid in Dec - he will now be immune from catching CV for a while so is no danger to anyone.
That he broke whatever rules there are in Serbia - can't see how that is relevant in an Aussie court room.
The one bit that surely would get him refused entry is if the claimed PCR test is shown not to be genuine? Then he has presented false evidence / documentation on his visa application.
The far bigger issue for me (which resonates with the UK) is the role of the judiciary vs the government/politicians. The judiciary are rightly separate from the government/politicians and any refusal to allow him entry that is based on a politicians wishes rather than on the immigration rules leaves a very sour taste in the mouth.
I think lots of people are letting their distaste for ND colour what is happening here. Feels to me that a visa applicant is being refused entry because of public opinion / dislike of the individual. That's one hell of a dangerous route to be going down. |
What happened in Serbia will form part of the ‘evidence’ considered by the Govt on issues like this.
As mentioned, they will say they have right to protect their citizens which he ‘may’ not do with his actions.
Not saying it is right, but that is the reality of it. |  | | |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:31 - Jan 10 with 561 views | bluelagos |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:28 - Jan 10 by ElderGrizzly |
What happened in Serbia will form part of the ‘evidence’ considered by the Govt on issues like this.
As mentioned, they will say they have right to protect their citizens which he ‘may’ not do with his actions.
Not saying it is right, but that is the reality of it. |
Has he defo been arrested since the court ruling? Nothing being reported on BBC. | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:32 - Jan 10 with 553 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:47 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
But the public health argument doesn't stack - if his positive test was valid in Dec - he will now be immune from catching CV for a while so is no danger to anyone.
That he broke whatever rules there are in Serbia - can't see how that is relevant in an Aussie court room.
The one bit that surely would get him refused entry is if the claimed PCR test is shown not to be genuine? Then he has presented false evidence / documentation on his visa application.
The far bigger issue for me (which resonates with the UK) is the role of the judiciary vs the government/politicians. The judiciary are rightly separate from the government/politicians and any refusal to allow him entry that is based on a politicians wishes rather than on the immigration rules leaves a very sour taste in the mouth.
I think lots of people are letting their distaste for ND colour what is happening here. Feels to me that a visa applicant is being refused entry because of public opinion / dislike of the individual. That's one hell of a dangerous route to be going down. |
Immunity is not guaranteed just because you have had Covid, as Sir Kier Starmer can witness.
To my mind he has tried to circumnavigate the rules.it doesn’t seem clear if he was tested on 16th December or if that was the date he got his results. Presumably just a coincidence that the entry rules changed from 15th December. The change was, I think, designed to allow unvaccinated Australians to return home.
Seems to me the State wanted him to play but it is a Federal law, not a State law, also clear that he made his application online and it was clear the onus was on him to produce the physical evidence on arrival and he could be refused entry if it wasn’t acceptable. |  |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:37 - Jan 10 with 538 views | bluelagos |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:32 - Jan 10 by Pinewoodblue |
Immunity is not guaranteed just because you have had Covid, as Sir Kier Starmer can witness.
To my mind he has tried to circumnavigate the rules.it doesn’t seem clear if he was tested on 16th December or if that was the date he got his results. Presumably just a coincidence that the entry rules changed from 15th December. The change was, I think, designed to allow unvaccinated Australians to return home.
Seems to me the State wanted him to play but it is a Federal law, not a State law, also clear that he made his application online and it was clear the onus was on him to produce the physical evidence on arrival and he could be refused entry if it wasn’t acceptable. |
Within 3 weeks of an infection? Think pretty much all the evidence is infection gives you immunity in the short term but then wains.
Spent too much time on this today - so will duck out now. As said earlier, think this one has a lot more in it both in terms of what happened and what will happen. | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:37 - Jan 10 with 544 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:56 - Jan 10 by thecheek |
Nice response from Andy Murray to Farage flying out to Serbia ahead of the court ruling
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One of the replies to that Farage tweet piqued my interest:
Anyone know much about this or where I could go to find out more? Wouldn’t even know where to start on Google but I’d be interested to know if this was true and what his motives were [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 10:39]
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:41 - Jan 10 with 518 views | urbanblue |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:32 - Jan 10 by Pinewoodblue |
Immunity is not guaranteed just because you have had Covid, as Sir Kier Starmer can witness.
To my mind he has tried to circumnavigate the rules.it doesn’t seem clear if he was tested on 16th December or if that was the date he got his results. Presumably just a coincidence that the entry rules changed from 15th December. The change was, I think, designed to allow unvaccinated Australians to return home.
Seems to me the State wanted him to play but it is a Federal law, not a State law, also clear that he made his application online and it was clear the onus was on him to produce the physical evidence on arrival and he could be refused entry if it wasn’t acceptable. |
In court it was said that he sent the evidence with his application even though he didn't have to ... just to be sure.
The state I believe okayed and issued the visa but were also denying him entry on arrival. |  | | |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:41 - Jan 10 with 515 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:37 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
Within 3 weeks of an infection? Think pretty much all the evidence is infection gives you immunity in the short term but then wains.
Spent too much time on this today - so will duck out now. As said earlier, think this one has a lot more in it both in terms of what happened and what will happen. |
Agreed this will still be running this time tomorrow. | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:42 - Jan 10 with 515 views | Guthrum |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 09:56 - Jan 10 by thecheek |
Nice response from Andy Murray to Farage flying out to Serbia ahead of the court ruling
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Not to mention Farage's obsession with strict immigration rules. |  |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:43 - Jan 10 with 505 views | RamRob |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:32 - Jan 10 by Pinewoodblue |
Immunity is not guaranteed just because you have had Covid, as Sir Kier Starmer can witness.
To my mind he has tried to circumnavigate the rules.it doesn’t seem clear if he was tested on 16th December or if that was the date he got his results. Presumably just a coincidence that the entry rules changed from 15th December. The change was, I think, designed to allow unvaccinated Australians to return home.
Seems to me the State wanted him to play but it is a Federal law, not a State law, also clear that he made his application online and it was clear the onus was on him to produce the physical evidence on arrival and he could be refused entry if it wasn’t acceptable. |
Court docs have a copy of his test result, it's dated 16th December @ 13:05 | |
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:43 - Jan 10 with 501 views | urbanblue |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:31 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
Has he defo been arrested since the court ruling? Nothing being reported on BBC. |
I don't think so. Rumours started from Djokovic's father and police surrounding the lawyers office.
Local media are stating that a decision hasn't been made yet. | | | |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:54 - Jan 10 with 450 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:31 - Jan 10 by bluelagos |
Has he defo been arrested since the court ruling? Nothing being reported on BBC. |
His father said he had on Social Media.
Edit (11:00) - his father was mistaken apparently. He is free (tonight)
Guardian report here on what they could do and why:
This is the key bit:
Crock said only one ground needs to be made out to cancel a visa, natural justice rules do not apply to the decision, and the idea of “public interest” is a broad one that could fit the current scenario.
“Everything that has gone before can be disregarded — it is set up precisely for this situation, to come in and cancel a visa anyway. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 10:59]
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| Novak vs Aussie govt on 10:58 - Jan 10 with 438 views | ElderGrizzly |
He’s about to do a press conference with his family.
Hawke has said no decision on the visa will be made tonight, so if I was Djokovic’s lawywers, i’d be telling him to shut up | | | |
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