| What’s McKenna on about?!!!! 17:46 - Jan 15 with 4056 views | brazil1981 |
Dominated the 2nd half apparently…no mate we didn’t!!!
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:05 - Jan 16 with 1014 views | Mullet |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:01 - Jan 16 by unstableblue |
Just got back by Mullet 15 Jan 2022 18:11We weren’t very good. It was bloody cold again.
Pretty easy to lay into Edmundson who has been one of our best this season. But only Woolfenden defended with any credit today and he nearly gave one away too. Donacien looked great in a couple of moves but passed to a White shirt more than once inexplicably.
I’m no Penney fan, but I hope today was KVY becoming our LWB, it’s so frustrating watching Penney get beat so many times per game because he can do good things going forward. But our passing was too intricate and too casual all day and that did us.
Arguably this was the first time someone did their homework on McKenna as they totally negated our midfield and isolated our outlets too often. Walton must hate playing these lot as noons in front of him turns up it seems.
Interesting subs and strange we we’re losing out physically and Piggott didn’t appear especially when Norwood got another needless booking, then Burns did too. Big chance to see what the prodigal boss is made of now. That’s about the biggest positive from an afternoon of sh1t. No wonder the Trotters walked all over us.
Agreed with your match summation; which aligns with what I’m saying in these posts.
So why the dig!?
I’m fully backing McKenna; and already feel he’s more tactically astute than Cook, or at least flexible. But anyone giving that performance more credit than it deserves is misguided.
But that’s just my view on a football forum.
Accrington game - which will be tough - will tell us more! |
It’s not really a dig to ask when you’re starting after your repeated attempts to justify a view of a game that just isn’t accurate. Whether you meant to use Warrens quote or not out of context I’m not sure.
As for agreeing with me about a game I was at, I dunno how that’s relevant. Other than you can’t really be wedded to this weeks searing insights. So my question remains. |  |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:12 - Jan 16 with 997 views | jayessess |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 10:37 - Jan 16 by unstableblue |
McKenna also thinks we were on top second half
But in reality we were just passing around quite loosely and ineffectively
Agree Bolton’s best two (golden) chances we’re in the first half
But check out their first goal… disjointed deep in their half, then they put on a proper attack stretching us all over the place with pace
We had none of that
It wasn’t a woeful performance
But evans woeful and wasteful set pieces and longer distribution summed up why we weren’t on top
But that’s just my opinion… and my point was McKenna didn’t capture how poor some of the performances were… I’d consider ways of getting Chaplin, KVY and Celina into the team after that
And finally Mathis the Jonah made one KEY point Norwood and Bonne were completely disconnected and caused so little trouble… bonne huffed and puffed but was ineffective |
I think it's easy to overstate how terrible a team performance is when you've lost a game you should win on paper.
Bolton aren't a low-block, counter-attack side, they're possession-based . They've been forced into giving us the ball and territory second half, but defended well, kept their shape and profited from our key attacking players' bad individual performances. For all the talk about our lack of penetration, we've put in more crosses, won more corners and had almost as many shots as we did at Gillingham. If you don't profit from any of that is it "disjointedness" or just lack of individual execution?
If Walton fields that 20-yard shot straight down the middle of the goal, are we likely to lose that game? I don't think we are. |  |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:30 - Jan 16 with 980 views | PhilTWTD |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 10:57 - Jan 16 by unstableblue |
From Bolton Evening News:
“Having absorbed some pressure, Bolton finally snatched a chance to take the lead, Lee poking home from eight yards out after Morley’s initial shot had been saved by Walton.
Afolayan — by then on for Charles — scored his first league goal since October, seizing on a poor pass from Edmundson to drill past Walton.
Ipswich had a few half-chances to try and get back into it — Luke Woolfenden heading straight at Trafford from close range. The Manchester City stopper also showed some guts to dive at Macauley Bonne’s feet as he looked to pounce on Wes Burns’s right-wing cross.
But Wanderers deserved the points with what was their most organised and clinical performance for some time.”
Easily absorbed pressure; few half chances; Bolton deserved with an organised display. That’s fair. |
I'd not disagree with much of their assessment, pressure absorbed, although I'd argue not easily, lead snatched, organised display but Town played most of the football and controlled the game for all but a few spells.
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:40 - Jan 16 with 958 views | PhilTWTD |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 10:56 - Jan 16 by Mullet |
Had Charles not had a 50p head or the greed to shoot when Bakayoko had a tap in in the first half we could have been well out of it from nothing but slack defending. Really odd game |
Well, we've seen plenty of games like that over the years, where one side has played all the football but the other one has been the one to take their chances. Not actually that different from the Wycombe game in that we didn't create many chances in that match either. | | | |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:40 - Jan 16 with 960 views | unstableblue |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:05 - Jan 16 by Mullet |
It’s not really a dig to ask when you’re starting after your repeated attempts to justify a view of a game that just isn’t accurate. Whether you meant to use Warrens quote or not out of context I’m not sure.
As for agreeing with me about a game I was at, I dunno how that’s relevant. Other than you can’t really be wedded to this weeks searing insights. So my question remains. |
So is this view of the game accurate or balanced:
“ Big chance to see what the prodigal boss is made of now. That’s about the biggest positive from an afternoon of sh1t. No wonder the Trotters walked all over us.”
I don’t think we were sh!t yesterday. I just thought we were very below par and did not deserve to win. That’s all. |  |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:44 - Jan 16 with 951 views | chrismakin |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:40 - Jan 16 by PhilTWTD |
Well, we've seen plenty of games like that over the years, where one side has played all the football but the other one has been the one to take their chances. Not actually that different from the Wycombe game in that we didn't create many chances in that match either. |
So what you're saying is. We are exactly where we were a few months ago lol. 1 big win against a bottom 4 side mixed around games where we fail to threaten and get lucky not to lose or lose points. ( remembering the Wycombe 3 yard miss)
Long long road ahead lol.
P.s. before people get upset. Well aware its 3 games in. [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 11:47]
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:46 - Jan 16 with 948 views | jayessess |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:30 - Jan 16 by PhilTWTD |
I'd not disagree with much of their assessment, pressure absorbed, although I'd argue not easily, lead snatched, organised display but Town played most of the football and controlled the game for all but a few spells.
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Fairly standard for local newspapers to overstate the deservedness of this sort of win. They've had 0.4 xG second half, 0.2 of which is Walton palming out a straight long range shot, 0.15 of which is our defender passing to their striker. If you defend well, but the sum total of your attacking efforts over 45 minutes is one good move that results in a shot from outside the box, what you probably deserve is a 0-0. | |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:07 - Jan 16 with 920 views | unstableblue |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:30 - Jan 16 by PhilTWTD |
I'd not disagree with much of their assessment, pressure absorbed, although I'd argue not easily, lead snatched, organised display but Town played most of the football and controlled the game for all but a few spells.
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Hang on Phil - I’m supposed to be the rabid, overly positive one!! You’re stealing my crown!
“Town played most of the football”… I think that’s half right, we’ve move the ball into good areas but then our sharpness, intent and crispness of passing… well it was just blunt and disjointed
With as Mathie stated the linking and distance between Norwood and Bonne really poor
And I thought our right side, where we looked to have our best chance, was what looked a rusty linkage between Donacien, Burns and Aluko
Don’t get me started on Evans… he’ll need re calibrating after this! | |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:13 - Jan 16 with 914 views | unstableblue |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:46 - Jan 16 by jayessess |
Fairly standard for local newspapers to overstate the deservedness of this sort of win. They've had 0.4 xG second half, 0.2 of which is Walton palming out a straight long range shot, 0.15 of which is our defender passing to their striker. If you defend well, but the sum total of your attacking efforts over 45 minutes is one good move that results in a shot from outside the box, what you probably deserve is a 0-0. |
I think this Town fan also nails the game, can’t see how anyone can disagree
A pretty chastening afternoon really by patrickswell 15 Jan 2022 22:38Bolton dictated that game from about the 20 minute mark onwards. Both sides played pretty similar styles but Evatt has had 18 months to get his Bolton side working and McKenna’s had a month. The difference today was the intensity of Bolton’s play. Apart from that flurry of corners midway through the second half, we never looked like wresting control of the match from them. No-one played particularly badly, but only Woolfenden and Walton played to their A-game. Everyone else ranged from OK to anonymous. Even the fans were subdued, as though we were taken aback that Bolton’s ultras were next to us and unable to try and lift the team as a result.
The goal was coming, but like many I was looking to see how McKenna’s Ipswich would respond to adversity. What a shame Edmundson, who otherwise played well, had an immediate brain fart which effectively settled the match.
McKenna can be as experimental as he likes over these next 20 matches, because we won’t be making the top 6 (again). The moment there’s any sense of optimism or expectancy, this squad goes to pieces at the earliest possible opportunity.
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:23 - Jan 16 with 904 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 10:51 - Jan 16 by PhilTWTD |
Disjointed in the spell before half-time when I thought the players tried to force the issue rather than keeping doing what they were doing and remaining patient, but I thought we were in control of the game in the second half even if there was a lot of possession without finding a way through. Bolton goal really did come out of nothing, even if I thought they'd looked a threat when in and around the area all afternoon. And prior to the second one we'd had a couple of chances which we ought to have done better with. |
Yep, McKenna said we controlled the game in the second half, which we did to an extent without really threatening too much.
On another day we'd have got the goal rather than them and gone on to win the game, without playing as well as in the last 2 games.
On the plus side, with this defeat, it gives KM more scope to switch things around a bit more next time out - given the last 2 games, it made sense to go again with the similar set up. | |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:34 - Jan 16 with 893 views | jayessess |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:13 - Jan 16 by unstableblue |
I think this Town fan also nails the game, can’t see how anyone can disagree
A pretty chastening afternoon really by patrickswell 15 Jan 2022 22:38Bolton dictated that game from about the 20 minute mark onwards. Both sides played pretty similar styles but Evatt has had 18 months to get his Bolton side working and McKenna’s had a month. The difference today was the intensity of Bolton’s play. Apart from that flurry of corners midway through the second half, we never looked like wresting control of the match from them. No-one played particularly badly, but only Woolfenden and Walton played to their A-game. Everyone else ranged from OK to anonymous. Even the fans were subdued, as though we were taken aback that Bolton’s ultras were next to us and unable to try and lift the team as a result.
The goal was coming, but like many I was looking to see how McKenna’s Ipswich would respond to adversity. What a shame Edmundson, who otherwise played well, had an immediate brain fart which effectively settled the match.
McKenna can be as experimental as he likes over these next 20 matches, because we won’t be making the top 6 (again). The moment there’s any sense of optimism or expectancy, this squad goes to pieces at the earliest possible opportunity.
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I think "dictated the game" is a bizarre contention, as is "the goal was coming".
Some teams do "dictate the game" by letting the opposition have the ball, Bolton aren't one of them. They average 60% possession at home and if they'd genuinely been "dictating" how the game went, that's how it would've gone.
They didn't have a meaningful attack in the 27 minutes prior to their goal, so I fail to see how anyone could agree that "the goal was coming", unless the phrase has developed some weird new meaning. | |
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:37 - Jan 16 with 886 views | chrismakin |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:34 - Jan 16 by jayessess |
I think "dictated the game" is a bizarre contention, as is "the goal was coming".
Some teams do "dictate the game" by letting the opposition have the ball, Bolton aren't one of them. They average 60% possession at home and if they'd genuinely been "dictating" how the game went, that's how it would've gone.
They didn't have a meaningful attack in the 27 minutes prior to their goal, so I fail to see how anyone could agree that "the goal was coming", unless the phrase has developed some weird new meaning. |
Bolton didn't play like previous games. Their manager confirms it after the game. The fans were calling for a change of style pre game and they got it and it paid off unfortunately.
This fan for example on the front page of Bolton preview
Evatt has to abandon his principles, find a side who can be drilled to sit deeper, soak up pressure and use our strength in the front three to hit on the break”, “Set pieces are our strength.” [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 12:42]
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:42 - Jan 16 with 881 views | jayessess |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:37 - Jan 16 by chrismakin |
Bolton didn't play like previous games. Their manager confirms it after the game. The fans were calling for a change of style pre game and they got it and it paid off unfortunately.
This fan for example on the front page of Bolton preview
Evatt has to abandon his principles, find a side who can be drilled to sit deeper, soak up pressure and use our strength in the front three to hit on the break”, “Set pieces are our strength.” [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 12:42]
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Highly doubt the change of style was intended to suddenly let the away team have 65% possession.
"Paid off" in points not in control of the game. If they concede that much territory and create that little they'll get beat most weeks. [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 12:43]
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| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 13:14 - Jan 16 with 852 views | PhilTWTD |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:44 - Jan 16 by chrismakin |
So what you're saying is. We are exactly where we were a few months ago lol. 1 big win against a bottom 4 side mixed around games where we fail to threaten and get lucky not to lose or lose points. ( remembering the Wycombe 3 yard miss)
Long long road ahead lol.
P.s. before people get upset. Well aware its 3 games in. [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 11:47]
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No, wasn't really thining about this season as such. Under Mick we regularly used to play little of the football but win matches. | | | |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 13:19 - Jan 16 with 847 views | PhilTWTD |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:13 - Jan 16 by unstableblue |
I think this Town fan also nails the game, can’t see how anyone can disagree
A pretty chastening afternoon really by patrickswell 15 Jan 2022 22:38Bolton dictated that game from about the 20 minute mark onwards. Both sides played pretty similar styles but Evatt has had 18 months to get his Bolton side working and McKenna’s had a month. The difference today was the intensity of Bolton’s play. Apart from that flurry of corners midway through the second half, we never looked like wresting control of the match from them. No-one played particularly badly, but only Woolfenden and Walton played to their A-game. Everyone else ranged from OK to anonymous. Even the fans were subdued, as though we were taken aback that Bolton’s ultras were next to us and unable to try and lift the team as a result.
The goal was coming, but like many I was looking to see how McKenna’s Ipswich would respond to adversity. What a shame Edmundson, who otherwise played well, had an immediate brain fart which effectively settled the match.
McKenna can be as experimental as he likes over these next 20 matches, because we won’t be making the top 6 (again). The moment there’s any sense of optimism or expectancy, this squad goes to pieces at the earliest possible opportunity.
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I think it's difficult to say a side dictated a game when they had only 36 per cent of the possession. That's not to say we were robbed or anything like that, but that on balance of the performance overall we didn't really deserve to lose. We were made to pay for errors in a game in which Bolton had largely negated us and which otherwise would probably have ended 0-0. | | | |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 14:03 - Jan 16 with 795 views | HARRY10 |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 12:23 - Jan 16 by BlueyandCrazy |
Yep, McKenna said we controlled the game in the second half, which we did to an extent without really threatening too much.
On another day we'd have got the goal rather than them and gone on to win the game, without playing as well as in the last 2 games.
On the plus side, with this defeat, it gives KM more scope to switch things around a bit more next time out - given the last 2 games, it made sense to go again with the similar set up. |
I can't agree with your last sentence.
Irrespective of what happen in the previous game(s) the manager should select the team to meet the opponents on the day.
Winning does not mean you cannot change, nor losing mean you have to change - it is about who are deemed best to deal with the opposition. | | | |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 10:23 - Jan 17 with 711 views | Luggworm |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 11:30 - Jan 16 by PhilTWTD |
I'd not disagree with much of their assessment, pressure absorbed, although I'd argue not easily, lead snatched, organised display but Town played most of the football and controlled the game for all but a few spells.
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https://www.sofascore.com/event/9591956/attack-momentum/embed
Sofascore tends to agree with McKenna's assessment. First 20 mins of 2nd half are fairly even with us just on top. Next 25 have us dominating aside from the 2 goals. |  | | |
| Hmmmm… I have really liked McKennas words and insights to date… BUT on 10:48 - Jan 17 with 679 views | Radlett_blue |
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Just got back by Mullet 15 Jan 2022 18:11We weren’t very good. It was bloody cold again.
Pretty easy to lay into Edmundson who has been one of our best this season. But only Woolfenden defended with any credit today and he nearly gave one away too. Donacien looked great in a couple of moves but passed to a White shirt more than once inexplicably.
I’m no Penney fan, but I hope today was KVY becoming our LWB, it’s so frustrating watching Penney get beat so many times per game because he can do good things going forward. But our passing was too intricate and too casual all day and that did us.
Arguably this was the first time someone did their homework on McKenna as they totally negated our midfield and isolated our outlets too often. Walton must hate playing these lot as noons in front of him turns up it seems.
Interesting subs and strange we we’re losing out physically and Piggott didn’t appear especially when Norwood got another needless booking, then Burns did too. Big chance to see what the prodigal boss is made of now. That’s about the biggest positive from an afternoon of sh1t. No wonder the Trotters walked all over us.
Agreed with your match summation; which aligns with what I’m saying in these posts.
So why the dig!?
I’m fully backing McKenna; and already feel he’s more tactically astute than Cook, or at least flexible. But anyone giving that performance more credit than it deserves is misguided.
But that’s just my view on a football forum.
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Yes, after 2 decent wins, Saturday was a reality check & the pattern of a could of good performances being followed by a couple of poor ones was what did for Cook & it's why Town are in mid table. This is what McKenna is here to put right & it will be interesting if he makes changes for Accrington, who will offer a different type of opposition from Bolton, although whether we like it or not, they are just above Town in the table & it's effectively 2 clubs marooned in mid table. |  |
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| What’s McKenna on about?!!!! on 10:57 - Jan 17 with 667 views | My_Left_Foot |
He said we dominated possesion in the second half - looking at the stats, you'd have to agree. He didn't define which half of the pitch that possesion was in though. But does it really matter? | | | |
| What’s McKenna on about?!!!! on 11:30 - Jan 17 with 633 views | Bluroo |
Did he actually say we “dominated”? Long thread if he didn’t…
He said “we took control of the game in the 2nd half. We had momentum and pressure but we didn’t create enough clear chances and then, if you do that, the game’s still open and obviously two poor goals to concede”.
He repeats several times the fact we did not penetrate enough and that we lost control of the game.
There are things to be criticised but KMs version of events is not one of them imo.
I think 2 very good performances followed by one where there are things to approve but equally there were improved things in evidence is a good start. We were never gonna win every game. | | | |
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