| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming 08:18 - Jan 28 with 6217 views | ElderGrizzly |
The report will literally be blank
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:46 - Jan 28 with 1191 views | Guthrum |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 08:28 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Who of course were asked to investigate 2 months ago, but refused.
But happened to ‘find’ enough evidence 2 days before publication was due. |
The inquiry into the Met's handling of something or other has been put back for the time being, tho. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:49 - Jan 28 with 1183 views | homer_123 |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:08 - Jan 28 by StokieBlue |
But if you believe that then you surely have to believe that the Met are implicitly trying to help the PM which is another quite large step.
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Not beyond though is it? I mean, I'm being uber cynical but... |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:57 - Jan 28 with 1158 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:46 - Jan 28 by Guthrum |
The inquiry into the Met's handling of something or other has been put back for the time being, tho. |
The legal profession does appear to be confused by all this
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:59 - Jan 28 with 1149 views | StokieBlue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:49 - Jan 28 by homer_123 |
Not beyond though is it? I mean, I'm being uber cynical but... |
It's not beyond doubt no.
Just not sure what is in it for the Met. Why protect a lame duck PM who isn't going to last long regardless of this report (in my hopes). There is always another lie being exposed just around the corner.
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:04 - Jan 28 with 1112 views | DublinBlue84 |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:57 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
The legal profession does appear to be confused by all this
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Friend of mine who is the same also is confused by this.
Police position unfathomable: first, nothing to see here and spent months not willing to investigate anything, Then, after Sue Gray conducts a proper investigation, they prevent a report which would have laid bare Covid rule-breaking under the noses of the Police in Downing Street by saying it can prejudice their own investigation that they spent months saying they couldn't open, but somehow suddenly are able to do so. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:06 - Jan 28 with 1093 views | DanTheMan |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:57 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
The legal profession does appear to be confused by all this
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Seems there is a possible reason
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:06 - Jan 28 with 1092 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:04 - Jan 28 by DublinBlue84 |
Friend of mine who is the same also is confused by this.
Police position unfathomable: first, nothing to see here and spent months not willing to investigate anything, Then, after Sue Gray conducts a proper investigation, they prevent a report which would have laid bare Covid rule-breaking under the noses of the Police in Downing Street by saying it can prejudice their own investigation that they spent months saying they couldn't open, but somehow suddenly are able to do so. |
Robert Peston source says the report was finished 2 days ago and then the Met got in contact to ask for this particular 'intervention' | | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:07 - Jan 28 with 1084 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:06 - Jan 28 by DanTheMan |
Seems there is a possible reason
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Sweet that people think they are looking for evidence :)
But yes, this appears to be a line the QC I mentioned has now suggested
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:08 - Jan 28 with 1074 views | Darth_Koont |
It’s UK public life, where honesty, accountability and independent scrutiny are fairly rare concepts nowadays.
But it is fairly amusing to see the media fighting over themselves to get up on that high horse now that they’ve decided this isn’t actually in their interests for once. In recent decades, their default has been to largely cover for and run interference on exactly these issues. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:08 - Jan 28 with 1076 views | bluelagos |
So the Met's argument would I presume be that by putting into the public domain evidence, it would make their job (when interviewing a suspect) harder as the suspect would know what they know.
Is not so much about prejudicing a jury rather than hindering their investigation.
Maybe one of the board's plod can elaborate? |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:10 - Jan 28 with 1069 views | Guthrum |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:06 - Jan 28 by DanTheMan |
Seems there is a possible reason
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So they need to re-interview everybody?
Possibly because people may have (wittingly or otherwise) incriminated themselves in telling the truth to what they thought was a harmless inquiry. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:11 - Jan 28 with 1067 views | DublinBlue84 |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:06 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Robert Peston source says the report was finished 2 days ago and then the Met got in contact to ask for this particular 'intervention' |
The same Met who had a rather different view earlier in the week, that have now suddenly changed their tune, that just happens to benefit Johnson quite a bit.
Makes sense now why Gray was going to lawyers as of a few days ago if she was aware that this might be coming or the conversations going on with the Met. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:12 - Jan 28 with 1057 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 08:55 - Jan 28 by Steve_M |
This reply seems the most likely scenario at this point:
However, with the majority of the public sceptical of Johnson now then I'm not sure it will make the issue go away. Johnson still has no authority, it's still a matter of when he goes now I think. |
Without wishing to resurrect the ghost of Corbyn, this is a very good breakdown of why Johnson won't recover from this.
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:19 - Jan 28 with 1035 views | bluelagos |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:10 - Jan 28 by Guthrum |
So they need to re-interview everybody?
Possibly because people may have (wittingly or otherwise) incriminated themselves in telling the truth to what they thought was a harmless inquiry. |
I doubt the police could use the statements/evidence already given to Sue Gray as it wasn't given under caution.
Which would mean everyone would need to be re-interviewed.
(Not a lawyer but think that's right) | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:28 - Jan 28 with 1009 views | BloomBlue |
Probably because there will be others not just Boris who have (potentially) broken the law. If a different person organized one of the many parties they too have broken the law, may be the police want to hold back on that evidence.
Any jury could be prejudice against any individual if detailed evidence is published in advance, that's how the court legal process works in this country.
If people think it's only Boris who will lose their job as part of this and or receive a criminal conviction they are mistaken, others are clearly going to be blamed to deflect it from Boris |  | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:30 - Jan 28 with 1000 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:28 - Jan 28 by BloomBlue |
Probably because there will be others not just Boris who have (potentially) broken the law. If a different person organized one of the many parties they too have broken the law, may be the police want to hold back on that evidence.
Any jury could be prejudice against any individual if detailed evidence is published in advance, that's how the court legal process works in this country.
If people think it's only Boris who will lose their job as part of this and or receive a criminal conviction they are mistaken, others are clearly going to be blamed to deflect it from Boris |
Absolutely. Boris will be the last one to go.
There will be an absolute bonfire of 'normals' throughout No.10 | | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:30 - Jan 28 with 998 views | Guthrum |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:19 - Jan 28 by bluelagos |
I doubt the police could use the statements/evidence already given to Sue Gray as it wasn't given under caution.
Which would mean everyone would need to be re-interviewed.
(Not a lawyer but think that's right) |
Yes, what I was kind of driving at. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:35 - Jan 28 with 976 views | bluelagos |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:28 - Jan 28 by BloomBlue |
Probably because there will be others not just Boris who have (potentially) broken the law. If a different person organized one of the many parties they too have broken the law, may be the police want to hold back on that evidence.
Any jury could be prejudice against any individual if detailed evidence is published in advance, that's how the court legal process works in this country.
If people think it's only Boris who will lose their job as part of this and or receive a criminal conviction they are mistaken, others are clearly going to be blamed to deflect it from Boris |
"Any jury could be prejudice"
That bit is bobbins because no one has been charged. If they are charged and due to go before a jury, then that would be the reason for not publishing whatever, but at the moment no one has been charged. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:35 - Jan 28 with 973 views | Freddies_Ears |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:08 - Jan 28 by StokieBlue |
But if you believe that then you surely have to believe that the Met are implicitly trying to help the PM which is another quite large step.
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That is a step I took some time ago. | | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:45 - Jan 28 with 961 views | GlasgowBlue |
Didn't realise that his birthday bash was in the public domain without raising any comment at the time.
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:51 - Jan 28 with 937 views | chicoazul |
Lads some of you just never learn. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:03 - Jan 28 with 892 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:12 - Jan 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Without wishing to resurrect the ghost of Corbyn, this is a very good breakdown of why Johnson won't recover from this.
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Gmpf. ‘Course you didn’t.
That thread is a long way of saying that when the press comes for you en masse (manufactured outrage or covering real events for a change, makes no difference), and your own party starts briefing against you, then that seeps into the minds of the electorate.
But that’s also why the conclusion is faulty. Johnson is saved and it goes the other way if and when the press largely return to being allies. That’s why the Tories had been sticking at 40% whatever example of Covid bungling, cronyism and corruption, Brexit problems cameout into the open. When the majority of the press including the BBC either normalised or covered for it then none of it really dented Tory support.
We’ve got a crap media with the attention of a goldfish and the interests of rich and/or connected people at heart. They’ll be back flying the flag of their true colours soon enough. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:06 - Jan 28 with 879 views | Guthrum |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:51 - Jan 28 by chicoazul |
Lads some of you just never learn. |
There is a difference between being annoyed this has (almost inevitably) happened and being surprised at it! | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:18 - Jan 28 with 836 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:51 - Jan 28 by chicoazul |
Lads some of you just never learn. |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:26 - Jan 28 with 803 views | MerseyBlue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 08:38 - Jan 28 by SomethingBlue |
People should be out on the streets, we live in a failed state and it stinks to hell. |
The longer this farce goes on the more likely it is that things turn to violence. It is apparent that the government can't be trusted, it seems like the Met are trying to fudge this and if that turns out to be the case then the fallout will be immense. It seems incredibly reckless from both of them, I hope they pay for it. |  |
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