| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming 08:18 - Jan 28 with 6222 views | ElderGrizzly |
The report will literally be blank
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:36 - Jan 28 with 1473 views | SaleAway |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:36 - Jan 28 with 1473 views | eireblue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:51 - Jan 28 by chicoazul |
Lads some of you just never learn. |
No, that’s not true.
We are always expecting you to come up with a meaningless one-liner nowadays. |  | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:41 - Jan 28 with 1442 views | jaykay |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:25 - Jan 28 by Guthrum |
There are increasingly fewer of them. A number of people I have spoken to who would normally be staunch, or at least habitual, Conservatives are now expressing dislike of Johnson or disgust at his antics. |
i would like to believe that , but what they say in public and do in private is 2 different things. |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:50 - Jan 28 with 1418 views | giant_stow |
I watched Question Time for the first time in ages last night and thought it was noticeable how many people were applauding the 'lets forget this now / there are more important things to worry about' comments. I really hope the public anger has legs. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:15 - Jan 28 with 1366 views | BlueNomad |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 08:38 - Jan 28 by SomethingBlue |
People should be out on the streets, we live in a failed state and it stinks to hell. |
Sadly I think we are sliding towards becoming a failed state. We have an almost perfect storm of issues that are alarming, many (not all) of which have been caused by the incompetence of this buffoon and his miserable crew. |  | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:28 - Jan 28 with 1312 views | lowhouseblue |
once sue gray's investigation had started it was a mistake for the met to become involved. if her report showed anything possibly criminal they could have come in then. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:32 - Jan 28 with 1299 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:50 - Jan 28 by giant_stow |
I watched Question Time for the first time in ages last night and thought it was noticeable how many people were applauding the 'lets forget this now / there are more important things to worry about' comments. I really hope the public anger has legs. |
more allegations have less impact than fewer. it turns out the birthday cake one was reported in full in June 2020 in the times, the day after it happened, and it received no comment or anger at the time. so including it now in the list just reduces focus. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:37 - Jan 28 with 1292 views | footers |
I'm shocked and totally surprised at how this is playing out.
Can't for one minute believe the police and government would ever collude in covering up wrongdoing, unprecedented case, integrity, Dick etc |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:48 - Jan 28 with 1254 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:50 - Jan 28 by giant_stow |
I watched Question Time for the first time in ages last night and thought it was noticeable how many people were applauding the 'lets forget this now / there are more important things to worry about' comments. I really hope the public anger has legs. |
Whoever within the Tory party and their backers wants him out, will ensure there is a constant drip-feed of stories until it does get published. | | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:50 - Jan 28 with 1243 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:28 - Jan 28 by lowhouseblue |
once sue gray's investigation had started it was a mistake for the met to become involved. if her report showed anything possibly criminal they could have come in then. |
Isn't that the point they are trying to plead? They have been talking to Sue Gray, they have seen the evidence and now they have decided there is enough to prosecute beyond a simple fine for Covid breaches?
The timing and politics around it are murky, but that appears to be their defence anyway
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:00 - Jan 28 with 1205 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:50 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Isn't that the point they are trying to plead? They have been talking to Sue Gray, they have seen the evidence and now they have decided there is enough to prosecute beyond a simple fine for Covid breaches?
The timing and politics around it are murky, but that appears to be their defence anyway
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given that there isn't a on going risk of criminality and that the possible criminal offences are at the lower end with limited penalties (eg fines), intervening while the internal investigation was on-going seems entirely disproportionate. it feels to me as if the police felt public pressure because of their inaction and then have made things worse by not letting the internal investigation run. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:11 - Jan 28 with 1183 views | eireblue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:50 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Isn't that the point they are trying to plead? They have been talking to Sue Gray, they have seen the evidence and now they have decided there is enough to prosecute beyond a simple fine for Covid breaches?
The timing and politics around it are murky, but that appears to be their defence anyway
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Hmmmm, possible criminals,…..shouldn’t they now prevent exit from Downing Street, some of the suspects have access to private aircraft and are a flight risk surely? | | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:27 - Jan 28 with 1151 views | GavTWTD |
I get why the Met don't want this published in full, but shirley once the Met have finished their report, Gray's can be published in full? So presumably we'll get a pretty worthless report soon, but the full thing in maybe a few weeks. In which time we can expect more than 50 people fined for illegal parties. Or am I being naive/stupid? |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:28 - Jan 28 with 1145 views | Plums |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 10:30 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Absolutely. Boris will be the last one to go.
There will be an absolute bonfire of 'normals' throughout No.10 |
Johnson will go after the May elections. They'll sacrifice all and sundry to keep him nailed in place until they can pin the inevitable electoral bloodbath on him and boot him into touch. Conservative party first, everything and everybody else - including the country they claim to be so patriotic about well down the list. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:33 - Jan 28 with 1109 views | Plums |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 12:32 - Jan 28 by lowhouseblue |
more allegations have less impact than fewer. it turns out the birthday cake one was reported in full in June 2020 in the times, the day after it happened, and it received no comment or anger at the time. so including it now in the list just reduces focus. |
I'm not sure why the focus is on the cake bit other than to diminish the story in the eyes of the easily led/ fed? It should be on the party his wife apparently held in the flat that evening which seems to have disappeared from the story. | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:33 - Jan 28 with 1110 views | XYZ |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:27 - Jan 28 by GavTWTD |
I get why the Met don't want this published in full, but shirley once the Met have finished their report, Gray's can be published in full? So presumably we'll get a pretty worthless report soon, but the full thing in maybe a few weeks. In which time we can expect more than 50 people fined for illegal parties. Or am I being naive/stupid? |
The US ambassador to the US, Kim Darroch, had confidential communications leaked (to Boris Johnson's political advantage) in May/ June 2019. Cressida Dick's Met opened an "urgent inquiry" into "most serious criminal acts" in July 2019.
Guess what happened with this inquiry once Johnson was PM?
Nothing at all. Zilch.
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:40 - Jan 28 with 1075 views | chicoazul |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 11:06 - Jan 28 by Guthrum |
There is a difference between being annoyed this has (almost inevitably) happened and being surprised at it! |
It’s pretty good to see more and more people realising plod and the Met in particular are so corrupt to be fair. This is what many parts of our society have dealt with and understood for years. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:47 - Jan 28 with 1054 views | giant_stow |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:33 - Jan 28 by XYZ |
The US ambassador to the US, Kim Darroch, had confidential communications leaked (to Boris Johnson's political advantage) in May/ June 2019. Cressida Dick's Met opened an "urgent inquiry" into "most serious criminal acts" in July 2019.
Guess what happened with this inquiry once Johnson was PM?
Nothing at all. Zilch.
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Just wondering if any of this matters to anyone other than dithering Tory MPs?
I mean we know that these fckers broke the rules, no matter what little 'yeah buts' they hide behind. The report was just for the benefit of Tory MPs needing something official to base the actions on - isn't it still on them to get rid of him?
If they try and say a partial report exonerates him, will anyone buy this? | |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 14:03 - Jan 28 with 1004 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 13:47 - Jan 28 by giant_stow |
Just wondering if any of this matters to anyone other than dithering Tory MPs?
I mean we know that these fckers broke the rules, no matter what little 'yeah buts' they hide behind. The report was just for the benefit of Tory MPs needing something official to base the actions on - isn't it still on them to get rid of him?
If they try and say a partial report exonerates him, will anyone buy this? |
The concern in Downing Street surely has to be that the Met's latest intervention doesn't buy Johnson enough time.
What price the instigation of an IOPC investigation into the Met's "we don't investigate/we're going to investigate" position before the Met have reported/acted on their findings?
Oooh and then a formal, wide-ranging, inquiry to kick off on the eve of publication of the IOPC report and presided over by Lord Deben perhaps. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 14:13 - Jan 28 with 974 views | giant_stow |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 14:03 - Jan 28 by You_Bloo_Right |
The concern in Downing Street surely has to be that the Met's latest intervention doesn't buy Johnson enough time.
What price the instigation of an IOPC investigation into the Met's "we don't investigate/we're going to investigate" position before the Met have reported/acted on their findings?
Oooh and then a formal, wide-ranging, inquiry to kick off on the eve of publication of the IOPC report and presided over by Lord Deben perhaps. |
Can the IOPC be trusted? (genuine question - no idea). And can anyone complain to them?
I have horrible feeling your point may be going over my head! I'll self-whoosh now. [Post edited 28 Jan 2022 14:18]
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 14:22 - Jan 28 with 949 views | bluelagos |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 09:39 - Jan 28 by DublinBlue84 |
If you didn't see this coming over the past few days you're blind.
It was always going to play out like this
- Johnson knows the report is bad news for him
- He knows if he doesn't publish it fully people will cry cover up so needs an excuse.
- Someone may have decided that it might be beneficial that the police are involved.
- The Gray report will now be published, redacted with excuse it's to avoid prejudice
- Johnson will then pivot that it's for the police to determine what happened
- The police who have a higher burden of proof, will then investigate
- Because of the higher burden of proof, it will be much less damaging for Johnson
- Johnson will then present himself as being somewhat vindicated by the police report
- The scathing Gray report that was a danger to him, will never be fully published.
The fact the Met come out with this at the moment having said the opposite the week ago and avoided investigating this suggests that either the Met are completely incompetent or something else has made them suddenly change their mind.
The UK deserves better than this, what will now turn out to be a sham. |
"... suggests that either the Met are completely incompetent or something else has made them suddenly change their mind"
When I saw Dick do her spiel about 3 conditions now being met for the Met to investigate I did wonder why now?
I figured it was a face saving move on her part with the prospect of the Goodlaw guys doing a JR into the Met's position of not investigating and the Met losing.
Tbh, I still do. The idea of the police and the govt. colluding to cover up, I just don't see what the police get out of it. They are looking bent but in reality I think they are just inept.
I can see why they would want the report delayed - would be a lot more sensible if they put a timetable out and said we want it delayed by one week as we continue to investigate.
What they have done instead looks dodgy as and smells of collusion which may not be there. |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 16:19 - Jan 28 with 848 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 14:22 - Jan 28 by bluelagos |
"... suggests that either the Met are completely incompetent or something else has made them suddenly change their mind"
When I saw Dick do her spiel about 3 conditions now being met for the Met to investigate I did wonder why now?
I figured it was a face saving move on her part with the prospect of the Goodlaw guys doing a JR into the Met's position of not investigating and the Met losing.
Tbh, I still do. The idea of the police and the govt. colluding to cover up, I just don't see what the police get out of it. They are looking bent but in reality I think they are just inept.
I can see why they would want the report delayed - would be a lot more sensible if they put a timetable out and said we want it delayed by one week as we continue to investigate.
What they have done instead looks dodgy as and smells of collusion which may not be there. |
Another twist...
Which as the tweet says, begs the question wtf are the Met doing? | | | |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 16:24 - Jan 28 with 826 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 16:19 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Another twist...
Which as the tweet says, begs the question wtf are the Met doing? |
well quite. how can it interfere with eventual police decisions at the level of a fine. it's just detailing the same factual information as the police will already have. there'll never be a jury to be affected by the reporting. the met's behaviour from the u turn on investigating to redacting the report is bizarre. [Post edited 28 Jan 2022 16:26]
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 16:30 - Jan 28 with 811 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 16:24 - Jan 28 by lowhouseblue |
well quite. how can it interfere with eventual police decisions at the level of a fine. it's just detailing the same factual information as the police will already have. there'll never be a jury to be affected by the reporting. the met's behaviour from the u turn on investigating to redacting the report is bizarre. [Post edited 28 Jan 2022 16:26]
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Given that Johnson shags anything that moves, it does make you wonder..... |  |
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| The Sue Gray whitewash is coming on 16:39 - Jan 28 with 788 views | NthQldITFC |
This is delightful.
(is a spoof, but had me going initially) |  |
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