| So today is Sue Gray day then... 11:15 - Jan 31 with 4821 views | ElderGrizzly |
With Johnson making a statement that he accepts the redacted report, which of course miss the most serious issues that directly affect him.
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 13:54 - Jan 31 with 1617 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 13:31 - Jan 31 by StokieBlue |
They have just said the redacted bits may never be published.
The endgame of the whitewash.
Absolute joke.
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Saw someone who I assume is close to the author saying it will be published in full.
It will get leaked if not published in full of course. | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 13:57 - Jan 31 with 1603 views | StokieBlue |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 13:54 - Jan 31 by ElderGrizzly |
Saw someone who I assume is close to the author saying it will be published in full.
It will get leaked if not published in full of course. |
Indeed.
At this stage I'd prefer the whole thing was leaked today even if it undermined the Met investigation given the level of charges they are looking into.
Many might not agree but the Met investigation is a distraction at this point.
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:00 - Jan 31 with 1586 views | lowhouseblue |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 13:57 - Jan 31 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
At this stage I'd prefer the whole thing was leaked today even if it undermined the Met investigation given the level of charges they are looking into.
Many might not agree but the Met investigation is a distraction at this point.
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it is bizarre that a report into the credibility of our political system should be affected in any way by a police investigation that might result in a few fines of a few hundred £. ridiculous. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:02 - Jan 31 with 1581 views | HARRY10 |
I expect he will get up in Parliament and say there wasn't any report, and if there was he was not aware it was a report
and anyway, he only had hold of it for 25 mins
................and if he had known he was meant to read it, he would have |  | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:09 - Jan 31 with 1566 views | LankHenners |
This just feels like the Mueller Report 2 - lots of people getting themselves excited over what they think will be the most important piece of documentation this century when in reality everyone pretty much knows what went on anyway and at the end of the day the situation will remain basically the same as it does now.
A couple of expendable people might get booted or shoved elsewhere as some sort of 'punishment' but unless rebel MPs get really riled up about it and the Daily Mail and associated media properly turn then we're as we are, which is the way things have been for years. |  |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:12 - Jan 31 with 1550 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 13:57 - Jan 31 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
At this stage I'd prefer the whole thing was leaked today even if it undermined the Met investigation given the level of charges they are looking into.
Many might not agree but the Met investigation is a distraction at this point.
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As someone pointed out, we know of 13 parties.
If any are missing, we know those are the most serious and part of the Met investigation. That they are missing isn't the defence they think it is. | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:14 - Jan 31 with 1543 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:09 - Jan 31 by LankHenners |
This just feels like the Mueller Report 2 - lots of people getting themselves excited over what they think will be the most important piece of documentation this century when in reality everyone pretty much knows what went on anyway and at the end of the day the situation will remain basically the same as it does now.
A couple of expendable people might get booted or shoved elsewhere as some sort of 'punishment' but unless rebel MPs get really riled up about it and the Daily Mail and associated media properly turn then we're as we are, which is the way things have been for years. |
Indeed. I've referred a few times elsewhere to the parallels with Trump/Mueller.
Topic different, but definitely in the way the end result is 'used' is feeling similar, especially if Boris says this exonerates him | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:15 - Jan 31 with 1536 views | lowhouseblue |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:12 - Jan 31 by ElderGrizzly |
As someone pointed out, we know of 13 parties.
If any are missing, we know those are the most serious and part of the Met investigation. That they are missing isn't the defence they think it is. |
serious in the sense that they're the ones that might end up in someone being fined. but not necessarily the events most closely linked to boris. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:21 - Jan 31 with 1526 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:15 - Jan 31 by lowhouseblue |
serious in the sense that they're the ones that might end up in someone being fined. but not necessarily the events most closely linked to boris. |
I expect there will be significant cross-over.
However, today's report will only contain those 'parties' where the police believe no rules were broken. So, it's not going to cover very much is it?
How Boris spins this will either kill or cure I assume now. | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:24 - Jan 31 with 1508 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:21 - Jan 31 by ElderGrizzly |
I expect there will be significant cross-over.
However, today's report will only contain those 'parties' where the police believe no rules were broken. So, it's not going to cover very much is it?
How Boris spins this will either kill or cure I assume now. |
She's called it an "update" not a report. That is key according to some legal experts
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:32 - Jan 31 with 1444 views | NthQldITFC |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:24 - Jan 31 by ElderGrizzly |
She's called it an "update" not a report. That is key according to some legal experts
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Skimmed it - total whitewash - absolutely pointless document.
Point 15. No details about even the four events in which the OB have no interest.
(I have very little relevant experience for coming to the above conclusion, but so what.) |  |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:34 - Jan 31 with 1424 views | HARRY10 |
"Sue Gray’s heavily-censored report into the partygate scandal has blasted “failures of leadership and judgment” in 10 Downing Street and the Cabinet Office." | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:38 - Jan 31 with 1386 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:32 - Jan 31 by NthQldITFC |
Skimmed it - total whitewash - absolutely pointless document.
Point 15. No details about even the four events in which the OB have no interest.
(I have very little relevant experience for coming to the above conclusion, but so what.) |
She has said (by exclusion) that the events under investigation by Police include all those attended by Johnson. | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:39 - Jan 31 with 1381 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:34 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
"Sue Gray’s heavily-censored report into the partygate scandal has blasted “failures of leadership and judgment” in 10 Downing Street and the Cabinet Office." |
Which will mean Johnson will fire someone else | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:39 - Jan 31 with 1376 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:32 - Jan 31 by NthQldITFC |
Skimmed it - total whitewash - absolutely pointless document.
Point 15. No details about even the four events in which the OB have no interest.
(I have very little relevant experience for coming to the above conclusion, but so what.) |
It's not the report she wanted to relase: "it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather." |  |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:40 - Jan 31 with 1374 views | StokieBlue |
3 empty pages.
Perhaps one of Carrie's friends with the code to number 10 can leak the entire thing, he seems to leave important papers lying around for them to see most of the time.
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:40 - Jan 31 with 1373 views | bluelagos |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:34 - Jan 31 by HARRY10 |
"Sue Gray’s heavily-censored report into the partygate scandal has blasted “failures of leadership and judgment” in 10 Downing Street and the Cabinet Office." |
So Boris as head of Govt is responsible for the failures of leadership or was let down by his senior staff.
Take yer pick.
As an aside, 12 of the 16 parties are with the Met - so plenty to run yet imho. |  |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:41 - Jan 31 with 1364 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:39 - Jan 31 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not the report she wanted to relase: "it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather." |
That's very clear. Someone, who I assume is in her team, has said to journalists the full report will follow
What little she has said, still makes it very uncomfortable for Johnson.
It's up to the Journalists and MPs to keep it in the spotlight until she can report fully | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:42 - Jan 31 with 1350 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:40 - Jan 31 by bluelagos |
So Boris as head of Govt is responsible for the failures of leadership or was let down by his senior staff.
Take yer pick.
As an aside, 12 of the 16 parties are with the Met - so plenty to run yet imho. |
And all of those including Johnson
Plus investigations into the Downing Street flat are within the remit to be published [Post edited 31 Jan 2022 14:43]
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:45 - Jan 31 with 1317 views | NthQldITFC |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:39 - Jan 31 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not the report she wanted to relase: "it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather." |
True, but by providing detail for the four non-excluded events, such as attendees (name OR job descriptions), location, setting, length of event, etc. and assessment of compliance with with the contemporary Covid regulations, we could have begun to form an opinion as to what the culture was like, even without detail of the (presumably) more serious failures in the excluded events. | |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:48 - Jan 31 with 1288 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:45 - Jan 31 by NthQldITFC |
True, but by providing detail for the four non-excluded events, such as attendees (name OR job descriptions), location, setting, length of event, etc. and assessment of compliance with with the contemporary Covid regulations, we could have begun to form an opinion as to what the culture was like, even without detail of the (presumably) more serious failures in the excluded events. |
Sounds like she doesn't trust the Govt
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:49 - Jan 31 with 1278 views | XYZ |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:45 - Jan 31 by NthQldITFC |
True, but by providing detail for the four non-excluded events, such as attendees (name OR job descriptions), location, setting, length of event, etc. and assessment of compliance with with the contemporary Covid regulations, we could have begun to form an opinion as to what the culture was like, even without detail of the (presumably) more serious failures in the excluded events. |
The one urgent recommendation seems to be for more office space in No. 10!
Anyone with a backbone would resign and blow the whistle. | | | |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:53 - Jan 31 with 1240 views | J2BLUE |
He's going to get away with it. Met won't do anything and he will claim it's over. The full report will probably never be seen.
Sky News interviewing the kind of people who just make you give up hope. |  |
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| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:55 - Jan 31 with 1217 views | Zx1988 |
| So today is Sue Gray day then... on 14:40 - Jan 31 by StokieBlue |
3 empty pages.
Perhaps one of Carrie's friends with the code to number 10 can leak the entire thing, he seems to leave important papers lying around for them to see most of the time.
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I'm not sure any of it has been redacted. The page marked "this page has been left intentionally blank" is, I would suspect, a legitimately blank page.
It's the same as you tend to find in exam papers so that there can be no worry that contents have been left out. | |
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