| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 13:09 - Mar 1 with 3234 views | giant_stow |
Hey you, me and my main man Callis did this yesterday, brute! |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 13:10 - Mar 1 with 3232 views | bluelagos |
I think the Tory links with Russian funding could be a mega story in the coming months.
How many MPs have taken money? I've seen comments on Truss, Lewis, Raab and Sunak - and that's before you get into Boris playing tennis for donations to the party coffers.
I don't know all the ins/outs of the individuals who have donated or the MPs who have accepted funding, but I think this story is going to explode in the months ahead. |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 13:11 - Mar 1 with 3212 views | Plums |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 13:10 - Mar 1 by bluelagos |
I think the Tory links with Russian funding could be a mega story in the coming months.
How many MPs have taken money? I've seen comments on Truss, Lewis, Raab and Sunak - and that's before you get into Boris playing tennis for donations to the party coffers.
I don't know all the ins/outs of the individuals who have donated or the MPs who have accepted funding, but I think this story is going to explode in the months ahead. |
He thought he and Vlad were friends
Now it’s time to make amends
But Tory coffers are full of roubles
So it’s party-first as usual |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 14:15 - Mar 1 with 3055 views | Swansea_Blue |
A much derided, much smeared, and much threatened journalist. The stuff she’s been through lately with Banks is horrendous - just because she was doing what journalists are supposed to do and speak truth to power. These wealthy people don’t want journalists poking around in their murky dealings and have the money to try and scare them off with over-scaled, punitive legal actions (see also the government’s actions towards The Good Law Project).
But when we needed a journalist like Cadwalladr the most, people were turned against her by the tribalism of Brexit. Tribalism stoked by the very people she was investigating.
Did you see the BBC pulled an interview with Chris Bryant this morning because their lawyers couldn’t screen what he was going to say (screen/check, can’t remember the exact word he used). We need people like Carole as our national broadcaster lacks balls. |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 14:29 - Mar 1 with 3013 views | bluelagos |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 14:15 - Mar 1 by Swansea_Blue |
A much derided, much smeared, and much threatened journalist. The stuff she’s been through lately with Banks is horrendous - just because she was doing what journalists are supposed to do and speak truth to power. These wealthy people don’t want journalists poking around in their murky dealings and have the money to try and scare them off with over-scaled, punitive legal actions (see also the government’s actions towards The Good Law Project).
But when we needed a journalist like Cadwalladr the most, people were turned against her by the tribalism of Brexit. Tribalism stoked by the very people she was investigating.
Did you see the BBC pulled an interview with Chris Bryant this morning because their lawyers couldn’t screen what he was going to say (screen/check, can’t remember the exact word he used). We need people like Carole as our national broadcaster lacks balls. |
Seriously Swanners - this story is just rolling - like a snowball it's just the size of your hand. In a few weeks this is going to be far more damaging than partygate to the government and to the PM.
The many comments, the photos, the donations and all for what? Does anyone seriously believe oligarchs give their money to politicians because they "admire them", as claimed by Brandon Lewis who incidentally pocketed £48k from Russian donations... | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 15:28 - Mar 1 with 2866 views | monytowbray |
We finally get to live in the reality of an information war rather than pretending it isn't happening. Which honestly, is anxiety inducing and frustrating when you've been living in hypernormalisation about it the last few years.
The challenge was the wording and that's how they smeared it. Those who took Russian money laughed and suggested she implied Russians directly messed with votes, which was never the case. It was subversive dark money, being used to manipulate political will via ads and algo gaming on a closed end private platform (Facebook mainly, although Twitter/Google has plenty to answer for too). Whether it worked or not (subjective, but I'd say it did largely) is not the point, which was again another dismissive point made by the right wing elites keen to smear her.
I should add, it's not just Russian acts of cyber war. I don't even think we are in a conflict with Russia in anything but how the geographics/timing fell. We're in a class war against the super rich protecting their assets as disaster capitalism/the climate emergency bites.
Mercers, Manafort, Bannon, Nix and Thiel is where I'd guess the chain starts. Farage, Trump, Johnson are puppets. Grimes, Carlson and Fox make useful mouth pieces with shared financial interests. Russia simply used the greed of the West to it's advantage (China is doing the same). At this point money and wealth is a threat to national security, it has been for years though.
It'll be interesting if we take this web out to the cleaners how much reach extreme right wing opinion will get after if funding/data vanishes.
Cut the head off the snake.
Who needs conspiracy theories and Qanon when the truth is odder and messier?! [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 15:32]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 15:55 - Mar 1 with 2819 views | HighgateBlue |
I have no desire to say anything against her at all, but it would be really useful to know exactly what the Russians have been doing as part of this information war. I would be fascinated to read a lot more of the specifics, in which she is doubtless very knwoeldgeable. |  | | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 16:13 - Mar 1 with 2771 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 15:55 - Mar 1 by HighgateBlue |
I have no desire to say anything against her at all, but it would be really useful to know exactly what the Russians have been doing as part of this information war. I would be fascinated to read a lot more of the specifics, in which she is doubtless very knwoeldgeable. |
Watch The Great Hack on Netflix. Good starting point. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 16:30 - Mar 1 with 2724 views | Plums |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 14:15 - Mar 1 by Swansea_Blue |
A much derided, much smeared, and much threatened journalist. The stuff she’s been through lately with Banks is horrendous - just because she was doing what journalists are supposed to do and speak truth to power. These wealthy people don’t want journalists poking around in their murky dealings and have the money to try and scare them off with over-scaled, punitive legal actions (see also the government’s actions towards The Good Law Project).
But when we needed a journalist like Cadwalladr the most, people were turned against her by the tribalism of Brexit. Tribalism stoked by the very people she was investigating.
Did you see the BBC pulled an interview with Chris Bryant this morning because their lawyers couldn’t screen what he was going to say (screen/check, can’t remember the exact word he used). We need people like Carole as our national broadcaster lacks balls. |
She’s a national hero, the problem will be who other than the Guardian and Ch4 are going to break this? The other outlets are up to their ears in turning a blind eye if not directly complicit or benefitting from the situation.
I’ve been banging on to friends and family about Russian influence and the Tufton Street connections etc for ages and as it hasn’t been covered in the press they read, it doesn’t resonate. Will it now??? | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 17:02 - Mar 1 with 2642 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 16:30 - Mar 1 by Plums |
She’s a national hero, the problem will be who other than the Guardian and Ch4 are going to break this? The other outlets are up to their ears in turning a blind eye if not directly complicit or benefitting from the situation.
I’ve been banging on to friends and family about Russian influence and the Tufton Street connections etc for ages and as it hasn’t been covered in the press they read, it doesn’t resonate. Will it now??? |
I'm still determined a few posters here are Tufton Street assets. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 17:15 - Mar 1 with 2607 views | BlueBadger |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 17:02 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
I'm still determined a few posters here are Tufton Street assets. |
Pretty sure I saw the Tufton Street Assets supporting Sleaford Mods, one time. |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 17:16 - Mar 1 with 2607 views | BlueBadger |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 17:02 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
I'm still determined a few posters here are Tufton Street assets. |
Also: imagine being so low in KGB hierarchy you get this place as part of the 'destabilise the west' effort.
No wonder some of them are so grumpy, | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:10 - Mar 1 with 2412 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 15:55 - Mar 1 by HighgateBlue |
I have no desire to say anything against her at all, but it would be really useful to know exactly what the Russians have been doing as part of this information war. I would be fascinated to read a lot more of the specifics, in which she is doubtless very knwoeldgeable. |
Agreed, that was just a whole heap of words saying not very much. Is it really saying we have all been duped by Russian agents on facebook? |  |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:27 - Mar 1 with 2354 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:10 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Agreed, that was just a whole heap of words saying not very much. Is it really saying we have all been duped by Russian agents on facebook? |
THE GREAT HACK.
FFS.
WATCH.
It’s on Netflix ;) | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:42 - Mar 1 with 2329 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:10 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Agreed, that was just a whole heap of words saying not very much. Is it really saying we have all been duped by Russian agents on facebook? |
If that's your take on it (which I find surprising tbh), then they've done their job pretty well I'd say...
As Callis said, start with the Great Hack, then watch the Adam Curtis documentaries, then have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street
then this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
and finally this:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9472/
Many who work in the IT cybersecurity sector have been following this for years - the way the social media algorithms were gamed to push the right people down the the right rabbit holes is something that only recently the SM platforms have started to deal with - you don't have to be duped, you just have to have your existing prejudices gradually reinforced - anything that has potential to destabilise the community/country will be amplified, and people (especially those not media-savvy) won't even realise what's happening.. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 20:43]
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:53 - Mar 1 with 2285 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:42 - Mar 1 by Ewan_Oozami |
If that's your take on it (which I find surprising tbh), then they've done their job pretty well I'd say...
As Callis said, start with the Great Hack, then watch the Adam Curtis documentaries, then have a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street
then this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
and finally this:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9472/
Many who work in the IT cybersecurity sector have been following this for years - the way the social media algorithms were gamed to push the right people down the the right rabbit holes is something that only recently the SM platforms have started to deal with - you don't have to be duped, you just have to have your existing prejudices gradually reinforced - anything that has potential to destabilise the community/country will be amplified, and people (especially those not media-savvy) won't even realise what's happening.. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 20:43]
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I mentioned Foundations of Geopolitics to Banks too this week and the reference went over his head, I was surprised.
Banks, I hope you’ve got a larger pot for your piss, it’s gonna boil over when you go down the psyops hole. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:08 - Mar 1 with 2261 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 20:27 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
THE GREAT HACK.
FFS.
WATCH.
It’s on Netflix ;) |
Oh dear oh dear. Watch the Great Hack on Netflix.
The only reason you should watch anything on Netflix and that includes the documentaries is for entertainment. Netflix like the majority of MSM is mostly propaganda. If you are looking for documentaries that expose 'the real truth' you need to look elsewhere. |  | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:11 - Mar 1 with 2243 views | monytowbray |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:08 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Oh dear oh dear. Watch the Great Hack on Netflix.
The only reason you should watch anything on Netflix and that includes the documentaries is for entertainment. Netflix like the majority of MSM is mostly propaganda. If you are looking for documentaries that expose 'the real truth' you need to look elsewhere. |
And what documentaries would you recommend to find “real truth”? | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:13 - Mar 1 with 2231 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:11 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
And what documentaries would you recommend to find “real truth”? |
Anything by Piers Corbyn. | | | |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:14 - Mar 1 with 2223 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:08 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Oh dear oh dear. Watch the Great Hack on Netflix.
The only reason you should watch anything on Netflix and that includes the documentaries is for entertainment. Netflix like the majority of MSM is mostly propaganda. If you are looking for documentaries that expose 'the real truth' you need to look elsewhere. |
Ooh, "elsewhere"? Sounds good, where's that then? | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:17 - Mar 1 with 2195 views | BlueBadger |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:08 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Oh dear oh dear. Watch the Great Hack on Netflix.
The only reason you should watch anything on Netflix and that includes the documentaries is for entertainment. Netflix like the majority of MSM is mostly propaganda. If you are looking for documentaries that expose 'the real truth' you need to look elsewhere. |
This is a novel variation on 'do your research', I have to say. | |
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:22 - Mar 1 with 2166 views | Seablu |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:08 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
Oh dear oh dear. Watch the Great Hack on Netflix.
The only reason you should watch anything on Netflix and that includes the documentaries is for entertainment. Netflix like the majority of MSM is mostly propaganda. If you are looking for documentaries that expose 'the real truth' you need to look elsewhere. |
By elsewhere, you mean the Sun and the Daily Mail don’t you?
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| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:23 - Mar 1 with 2160 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Brilliant stuff here by Carole Cadwallader on Putin. on 21:11 - Mar 1 by monytowbray |
And what documentaries would you recommend to find “real truth”? |
Depends on what you are looking into, but there are somethings we will never know the complete truth about because the powers that be will never allow it. The JFK assassination is just one for example.
But what I can tell you is the you won't find the 'the truth' you are looking for a Netflix Documentary. Any documentary that was getting too close to the truth would at best be heavily edited or not make it on to Netflix in the first place. Surely you understand that all MSM is controlled? | | | |
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