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While there is a certain degree of amusement value in the way this thread is developing it is worth remembering that the actions being taken by the owners of P&O ferries are simply unacceptable.
Can we try and ignore some of the recent contributors and get this back on track.
The main principle of redundancy is that it is the job that disappears. Clearly that isn't happening here they are looking to outsource the job to another company. The way that should happen is for employees to be be TUPED. That way terms and conditions of employment are protected for a set period although it is often the case that the protected period is used to restructure the workforce.
It seems clear that there isn't an MP who would willingly defend the action of the owners of P&O owners , owners who purchased P&O ferries for the second time just as Covid was becoming a thing.
It is my understanding that DP World are also involved in the setting up of at least two Freeports. You have to ask if it is appropriate that they should involved with Government.
Given a choice between P&O, DFDS or Eurotunnel which would you opt to use if planning to cross the channel this summer.
P&O Ferries then on 18:23 - Mar 17 by Pinewoodblue
While there is a certain degree of amusement value in the way this thread is developing it is worth remembering that the actions being taken by the owners of P&O ferries are simply unacceptable.
Can we try and ignore some of the recent contributors and get this back on track.
The main principle of redundancy is that it is the job that disappears. Clearly that isn't happening here they are looking to outsource the job to another company. The way that should happen is for employees to be be TUPED. That way terms and conditions of employment are protected for a set period although it is often the case that the protected period is used to restructure the workforce.
It seems clear that there isn't an MP who would willingly defend the action of the owners of P&O owners , owners who purchased P&O ferries for the second time just as Covid was becoming a thing.
It is my understanding that DP World are also involved in the setting up of at least two Freeports. You have to ask if it is appropriate that they should involved with Government.
Given a choice between P&O, DFDS or Eurotunnel which would you opt to use if planning to cross the channel this summer.
Feels like a Gerals Ratner moment to me.
No idea when I began here, was a very long time ago. Previously known as Spirit_of_81. Love cheese, hate the colour of it, this is why it requires some blue in it.
P&O Ferries then on 18:23 - Mar 17 by Pinewoodblue
While there is a certain degree of amusement value in the way this thread is developing it is worth remembering that the actions being taken by the owners of P&O ferries are simply unacceptable.
Can we try and ignore some of the recent contributors and get this back on track.
The main principle of redundancy is that it is the job that disappears. Clearly that isn't happening here they are looking to outsource the job to another company. The way that should happen is for employees to be be TUPED. That way terms and conditions of employment are protected for a set period although it is often the case that the protected period is used to restructure the workforce.
It seems clear that there isn't an MP who would willingly defend the action of the owners of P&O owners , owners who purchased P&O ferries for the second time just as Covid was becoming a thing.
It is my understanding that DP World are also involved in the setting up of at least two Freeports. You have to ask if it is appropriate that they should involved with Government.
Given a choice between P&O, DFDS or Eurotunnel which would you opt to use if planning to cross the channel this summer.
Bet everyone who works at London Gateway port is sleeping a little less soundly tonight as it's owned by the same outfit.
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P&O Ferries then on 22:12 - Mar 17 with 1328 views
This should not be seen as an aberration, a one off but the inevitable consequence of removing protection.
Only a totally dinwitted brexiteer would think that removing the country from a system that maintained higher standards, it would not fall prey to every asset stripper across the globe. Meanwhile, outside that collective action UK business is being weighed down with the burden of regulation, delay and cost.
Hundreds of petty rules and checks introduced since brexit, as the country has opted out of free and easier movement. Yes, those may have blocked naughty Ukrainians from seeking refuge here, but not blocked cheap labour, as with the replacement foreign workers for P&O.
And those brexit thickos actually thought the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS, Eustice etc had their interests at heart - not those of the wealthy.
Project fear... baa baa..............
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P&O Ferries then on 06:51 - Mar 18 with 1267 views
This should not be seen as an aberration, a one off but the inevitable consequence of removing protection.
Only a totally dinwitted brexiteer would think that removing the country from a system that maintained higher standards, it would not fall prey to every asset stripper across the globe. Meanwhile, outside that collective action UK business is being weighed down with the burden of regulation, delay and cost.
Hundreds of petty rules and checks introduced since brexit, as the country has opted out of free and easier movement. Yes, those may have blocked naughty Ukrainians from seeking refuge here, but not blocked cheap labour, as with the replacement foreign workers for P&O.
And those brexit thickos actually thought the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS, Eustice etc had their interests at heart - not those of the wealthy.
From the linked article and pertinent to the P & O situation I think...
"The direction of travel has been singular and unrelenting. To take one example, workers’ rights — a supposed EU strength — are steadily being eroded, as can be seen in landmark judgments by the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in the Viking and Laval cases, among others. In both instances, workers attempting to strike in protest at plans to replace workers from one EU country with lower-wage workers from another, were told their right to strike could not infringe upon the “four freedoms” — free movement of capital, labour, goods, and services — established by the treaties."
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
This should not be seen as an aberration, a one off but the inevitable consequence of removing protection.
Only a totally dinwitted brexiteer would think that removing the country from a system that maintained higher standards, it would not fall prey to every asset stripper across the globe. Meanwhile, outside that collective action UK business is being weighed down with the burden of regulation, delay and cost.
Hundreds of petty rules and checks introduced since brexit, as the country has opted out of free and easier movement. Yes, those may have blocked naughty Ukrainians from seeking refuge here, but not blocked cheap labour, as with the replacement foreign workers for P&O.
And those brexit thickos actually thought the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS, Eustice etc had their interests at heart - not those of the wealthy.
Project fear... baa baa..............
Struggling to see the relevance of Brexit here? Probably I’m thick but just seems like a failing company resorting to unscrupulous practices? Before you get triggered I’m not defending Brexit!
This should not be seen as an aberration, a one off but the inevitable consequence of removing protection.
Only a totally dinwitted brexiteer would think that removing the country from a system that maintained higher standards, it would not fall prey to every asset stripper across the globe. Meanwhile, outside that collective action UK business is being weighed down with the burden of regulation, delay and cost.
Hundreds of petty rules and checks introduced since brexit, as the country has opted out of free and easier movement. Yes, those may have blocked naughty Ukrainians from seeking refuge here, but not blocked cheap labour, as with the replacement foreign workers for P&O.
And those brexit thickos actually thought the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS, Eustice etc had their interests at heart - not those of the wealthy.
Project fear... baa baa..............
This has nothing to do with Brexit, this would/could happen even if we were still part of the EU. The reason why they are able to do this legally is because it falls within the International Martine law which the EU also adheres to.
But hey if lies keep you a happy harry then so be it
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P&O Ferries then on 09:17 - Mar 18 with 1159 views
Struggling to see the relevance of Brexit here? Probably I’m thick but just seems like a failing company resorting to unscrupulous practices? Before you get triggered I’m not defending Brexit!
In before “tugging my forelocks”
This raises two important questions: Is it possible to have more than one forelock? What do the follically challenged tug, when faced with their elders and betters?
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P&O Ferries then on 12:31 - Mar 18 with 1112 views
Amazing how Harold consistently mistakes the EU - a gigantic corporate protectorate - with a kindly herbivorous Marxist institution simply because of freedom of movement and a huge regulatory apparatus, both of which directly benefit the corporations within and without its’ membership rather than the actual workers. The Maximum Leader and Tony Benn know/knew this and are/were anti-EU as a consequence.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Amazing how Harold consistently mistakes the EU - a gigantic corporate protectorate - with a kindly herbivorous Marxist institution simply because of freedom of movement and a huge regulatory apparatus, both of which directly benefit the corporations within and without its’ membership rather than the actual workers. The Maximum Leader and Tony Benn know/knew this and are/were anti-EU as a consequence.
I’m assuming that Harry voted for Maggie in 1983 rather than Foot.
"Ceding Brexit to the right was very nearly the most serious strategic mistake by the British left since the ‘70s. Under successive leaders Labour became so incorporated into the ideology of Europeanism as to preclude any clear-eyed critical analysis of the actually existing EU as a regulatory and trade regime pursuing deep economic integration. The same political journey that carried Labour into its technocratic embrace of the EU also resulted in the abandonment of any form of distinctive economics separate from the orthodoxies of market liberalism.
It’s been astounding to witness so many left-wingers, in meltdown over Brexit, resort to parroting liberal economics. Thus we hear that factor mobility isn’t about labour arbitrage, that public services aren’t under pressure, that we must prioritise foreign direct investment and trade. It’s little wonder Labour became so detached from its base. Such claims do not match the lived experience of ordinary people in regions of the country devastated by deindustrialisation and disinvestment.
Nor should concerns about wage stagnation and bargaining power be met with finger-wagging accusations of racism, as if the manner in which capitalism pits workers against each other hasn’t long been understood. Instead, we should be offering real solutions — including a willingness to rethink capital mobility and trade. This places us in direct conflict with the constitutionalised neoliberalism of the EU."
A load of rot, compounded by being completely economically illiterate.
What the hell did the EU have to do with deindustrialisation and disinvestment? In most other countries the opposite is demonstrably true.
Amazing how Harold consistently mistakes the EU - a gigantic corporate protectorate - with a kindly herbivorous Marxist institution simply because of freedom of movement and a huge regulatory apparatus, both of which directly benefit the corporations within and without its’ membership rather than the actual workers. The Maximum Leader and Tony Benn know/knew this and are/were anti-EU as a consequence.
Thankfully Britain had an oven ready alternative when they voted to leave.
Amazing how Harold consistently mistakes the EU - a gigantic corporate protectorate - with a kindly herbivorous Marxist institution simply because of freedom of movement and a huge regulatory apparatus, both of which directly benefit the corporations within and without its’ membership rather than the actual workers. The Maximum Leader and Tony Benn know/knew this and are/were anti-EU as a consequence.
Tony Benn was a privileged hooray who had no idea how 'workers' really lived their lives.
Right wing politicians loved him because they felt comfortable talking to a Westminster and Oxford chap, and thought that he demonstrated that people like themselves could care.
He was also a committed Christian, 'whose political commitment owes much more to the teaching of Jesus than the writing of Marx' according to his biographer.
P&O Ferries then on 18:49 - Mar 18 by mylittletown
Tony Benn was a privileged hooray who had no idea how 'workers' really lived their lives.
Right wing politicians loved him because they felt comfortable talking to a Westminster and Oxford chap, and thought that he demonstrated that people like themselves could care.
He was also a committed Christian, 'whose political commitment owes much more to the teaching of Jesus than the writing of Marx' according to his biographer.
I attended a talk he gave at my uni in the late 80's
During the questions a chap got up and starting reading out quotes of his that contradicted what he was spouting there. He was shouted down, and the composite' answer given did not address any of the blokes points.
It was run by IS, as they were then. Posting as some committee or some sort, which latched itself onto some grievance and stated that the workers needed a cadre of leaders to lead them. Guess who.
Benns time as a minister was one of repressive action against the very workers he was castigating the Tories for repressing. Nothing more than a clueless 'Uncle Tom'
This has nothing to do with Brexit, this would/could happen even if we were still part of the EU. The reason why they are able to do this legally is because it falls within the International Martine law which the EU also adheres to.
But hey if lies keep you a happy harry then so be it
Of dear, poor rightie
The mindset behind brexit - cutting back on workers rights, has nothing to do with this sacking / Talk about one born every minute.
" When the UK was a member of the EU, the country’s highest appeal court could ask the European court of justice for an opinion on how to interpret EU law but post-Brexit it will no longer be able to do this for employment cases nor most others."
One of the lies peddled to the gormless was that by leaving the EU, the UK would end the replacing of UK workers with cheap foreign workers. Yet what we have seen here is those replacement workers are not even EU workers. Not workers permitted to come here under the hated (by the bigots) freedom of movement, by non EU workers.
I attended a talk he gave at my uni in the late 80's
During the questions a chap got up and starting reading out quotes of his that contradicted what he was spouting there. He was shouted down, and the composite' answer given did not address any of the blokes points.
It was run by IS, as they were then. Posting as some committee or some sort, which latched itself onto some grievance and stated that the workers needed a cadre of leaders to lead them. Guess who.
Benns time as a minister was one of repressive action against the very workers he was castigating the Tories for repressing. Nothing more than a clueless 'Uncle Tom'
Still not addressing the EU love in with neo liberalism then Harry.
Edit....nearly forgot, you dreadful rightie.
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
The mindset behind brexit - cutting back on workers rights, has nothing to do with this sacking / Talk about one born every minute.
" When the UK was a member of the EU, the country’s highest appeal court could ask the European court of justice for an opinion on how to interpret EU law but post-Brexit it will no longer be able to do this for employment cases nor most others."
One of the lies peddled to the gormless was that by leaving the EU, the UK would end the replacing of UK workers with cheap foreign workers. Yet what we have seen here is those replacement workers are not even EU workers. Not workers permitted to come here under the hated (by the bigots) freedom of movement, by non EU workers.
Oh dear Harry doesn't understand international maritime law, poor leftie, but if that keeps you happy Harry
P&O Ferries then on 18:49 - Mar 18 by mylittletown
Tony Benn was a privileged hooray who had no idea how 'workers' really lived their lives.
Right wing politicians loved him because they felt comfortable talking to a Westminster and Oxford chap, and thought that he demonstrated that people like themselves could care.
He was also a committed Christian, 'whose political commitment owes much more to the teaching of Jesus than the writing of Marx' according to his biographer.
I went to see an "Evening with" Benny Boy at The Regent about 20 years ago.
I think history has been very kind to him in a political sense but he seemed a nice man, was very polite and engaging and spent all night drinking tea from a flask.
I remember he was very enthusiastic about a suit case he invented that doubled up as a chair.
At one point he was unfairly ambushed with questions not fit for the mood of the evening by some Tory agitators. There was nothing wrong with the questions from memory but I wondered why they bothered to see someone they obviously didn't like.
Benn spoke very fondly of Enoch Powell who was a longstanding friend.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
I went to see an "Evening with" Benny Boy at The Regent about 20 years ago.
I think history has been very kind to him in a political sense but he seemed a nice man, was very polite and engaging and spent all night drinking tea from a flask.
I remember he was very enthusiastic about a suit case he invented that doubled up as a chair.
At one point he was unfairly ambushed with questions not fit for the mood of the evening by some Tory agitators. There was nothing wrong with the questions from memory but I wondered why they bothered to see someone they obviously didn't like.
Benn spoke very fondly of Enoch Powell who was a longstanding friend.
Anthony Wedgewood Benn and Enoch Powell. Leftie and rightie in perfect harmony.
We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub.
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