| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna 07:47 - Mar 20 with 3808 views | tractorboy1978 |
SIX!
It's looking too late now and we are relying on winning 6 or 7 from 7 games and other results going for us, however, we have a fantastic base to build on next season. A full pre-season with these players for McKenna, a few small tweaks, a couple of new bodies in that suit his system and style of play.
I know we say it every year but next season will be a good season. |  | | |  |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 07:52 - Mar 20 with 2957 views | pointofblue |
Only two of those goals have not changed our points tally - the second v Bolton and Accrington’s opener. The remainder have taken one or two off our total. We concede few but, when we do, they’re more often costly than not. | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 08:54 - Mar 20 with 2837 views | DavoIPB |
The trouble is you have to score more goals than the opposition to win games. Not been doing that enough. | | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:22 - Mar 20 with 2774 views | AlanG296 |
Clean sheets are great, guarantees you at least a point. But when you don't score, you can't get more than a point, and we've already failed to score in more games under KM than Cook, who had more games. | | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:34 - Mar 20 with 2731 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 08:54 - Mar 20 by DavoIPB |
The trouble is you have to score more goals than the opposition to win games. Not been doing that enough. |
Yeah, just the 9 wins in 16, what an absolute shower |  |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:37 - Mar 20 with 2709 views | pointofblue |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:34 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Yeah, just the 9 wins in 16, what an absolute shower |
When we’re keeping so many clean sheets we should be seeing a win rate of more than just over 50% really. | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:37 - Mar 20 with 2711 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:22 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Clean sheets are great, guarantees you at least a point. But when you don't score, you can't get more than a point, and we've already failed to score in more games under KM than Cook, who had more games. |
Hi Paul,
You are quite right that if you don’t score you can’t get more than a point, however fortunately we have been scoring enough under McKenna to gain 9 wins in 16. Which is also more wins than we managed under yourself, in less games (as you again quite rightly highlight)
How are things going at Chesterfield btw? I’m assuming a manager of your calibre is walking it given the position you inherited?
Regards, Healy x | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:39 - Mar 20 with 2698 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:37 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
When we’re keeping so many clean sheets we should be seeing a win rate of more than just over 50% really. |
It’s a win rate of 56%, for comparison Klopp had a 56% win rate at Dortmund and 61% at Liverpool
McKenna out | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:51 - Mar 20 with 2661 views | pointofblue |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:39 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
It’s a win rate of 56%, for comparison Klopp had a 56% win rate at Dortmund and 61% at Liverpool
McKenna out |
Though, despite being excellent defensively, Liverpool win games by scoring goals. Something we have struggled at under McKenna even though (using the phrase which has been widely mocked on here previously) the football has been much better.
I guess it’s galling more than anything. I can see what McKenna is trying to do, and for three quarters of the pitch it’s working. But we’re struggling in the final quarter when just fine margins would see us in the top six now. Hopefully we’re using up our bad luck and heartache now so we go on a charge next season.
The odd thing is I doubt I would be worrying about it if one of our usual strengths - a defender - hadn’t lost concentration for a split second in the final seconds yesterday. | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:57 - Mar 20 with 2652 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:51 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
Though, despite being excellent defensively, Liverpool win games by scoring goals. Something we have struggled at under McKenna even though (using the phrase which has been widely mocked on here previously) the football has been much better.
I guess it’s galling more than anything. I can see what McKenna is trying to do, and for three quarters of the pitch it’s working. But we’re struggling in the final quarter when just fine margins would see us in the top six now. Hopefully we’re using up our bad luck and heartache now so we go on a charge next season.
The odd thing is I doubt I would be worrying about it if one of our usual strengths - a defender - hadn’t lost concentration for a split second in the final seconds yesterday. |
It's a work in progress. 'Build from the back' is an old phrase but very true. Teams that get promoted do not play the sort of basketball game football we did under Cook. We look a far better side under McKenna - we control games and control possession. The final ball/finish needs to improve but the base we have to build on is really strong. We will improve over the summer without doubt. | | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:12 - Mar 20 with 2574 views | BlueBadger |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:22 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Clean sheets are great, guarantees you at least a point. But when you don't score, you can't get more than a point, and we've already failed to score in more games under KM than Cook, who had more games. |
We are, however, winning considerably more games than Cook generally managed to. |  |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:22 - Mar 20 with 2542 views | AlanG296 |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:12 - Mar 20 by BlueBadger |
We are, however, winning considerably more games than Cook generally managed to. |
Indeed, just pointing out that not all stats are better under KM, yet. He's still got a lot to work on and improve' and will have difficulties to test him, and I'm cautiously optimistic, but he's not yet the messiah that some are making him out to be. | | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:22 - Mar 20 with 2538 views | Keno |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:12 - Mar 20 by BlueBadger |
We are, however, winning considerably more games than Cook generally managed to. |
and the football is better
Do you think McKenna 'gets us' |  |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:25 - Mar 20 with 2523 views | AlanG296 |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:37 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Hi Paul,
You are quite right that if you don’t score you can’t get more than a point, however fortunately we have been scoring enough under McKenna to gain 9 wins in 16. Which is also more wins than we managed under yourself, in less games (as you again quite rightly highlight)
How are things going at Chesterfield btw? I’m assuming a manager of your calibre is walking it given the position you inherited?
Regards, Healy x |
Don't know why you replied to my post with a message for someone called Paul. That's just weird. | | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:26 - Mar 20 with 2515 views | Keno |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:22 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Indeed, just pointing out that not all stats are better under KM, yet. He's still got a lot to work on and improve' and will have difficulties to test him, and I'm cautiously optimistic, but he's not yet the messiah that some are making him out to be. |
He may or may not be the messiah but he certainly isn't a naughty little boy or a crap football manager [Post edited 20 Mar 2022 11:00]
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:52 - Mar 20 with 2468 views | berkstractorboy |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:22 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Clean sheets are great, guarantees you at least a point. But when you don't score, you can't get more than a point, and we've already failed to score in more games under KM than Cook, who had more games. |
Cook got lucky Bonne was in form for him. Bonne had some great chances to score under KM and hasn't. Is that KM fault?
KM had just started to get Jackson going and we get unlucky with an injury, again not KM fault.
The forwards are getting the chances but not scoring, yet all the criticism for that is heaped on KM.I don't get. | | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:55 - Mar 20 with 2460 views | Churchman |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:22 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Indeed, just pointing out that not all stats are better under KM, yet. He's still got a lot to work on and improve' and will have difficulties to test him, and I'm cautiously optimistic, but he's not yet the messiah that some are making him out to be. |
I don’t think anyone is making McKenna out to be any sort of Messiah, or Brian come to that. But looking on the bright side of life, in 16 games he’s managed more wins than Cook did in 20 this season and 16 last, by my reckoning. His team doesn’t concede many goals and even when it drops points, we’ve generally been the better side.
Picking on a goal scoring stat is fine, but it’s important to look at the whole picture. We have a good team that will get stronger. McKenna is new to the job, the club and the area. Of course he’s got a lot to learn and it’s obvious our forward line isn’t right.
However, he’s had one transfer when he’d barely parked his rear end on the chair. He inherited a team that could win games well but could throw goals away and lose just as easily. He didn’t arrive with a magic wand, but I really don’t think anyone, including many peoples favourite Warnock could have done any better with what he inherited. That includes bringing something out of players like bomb squad Jackson who just about everyone including me had written off.
McKenna needs time and so does the club. There’s a lot of change going on and I agree with the OP. There’s a lot to look forward to next season. |  | | |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 11:14 - Mar 20 with 2409 views | pennblue |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:12 - Mar 20 by BlueBadger |
We are, however, winning considerably more games than Cook generally managed to. |
It is an unfair comparison you make though - this squad of players have now got to know each other - you are judging Cook on this time where the squad had just been assembled.
We are 11th in the form table over the past six games and we have played:
- Cheltenham Town
- Morecambe
- Fleetwood Town
- Lincoln City
- Portsmouth
- Oxford United
Honestly, I think we need another 3 or 4 quality signing in the summer. We are still way off being a top two side.
People will always moan about Cook's stats, but I saw him get the team playing like a top two side on a few occasions, the consistency had just not come at that point.
I do however think McKenna will get us up, but Cook would have done as well. With the resources they have available to them, both would / will succeed. | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 11:58 - Mar 20 with 2329 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:34 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Yeah, just the 9 wins in 16, what an absolute shower |
Unbelievable isn’t it. A win rate of 56% and people think we’re not good enough. If the only problem with McKenna is that he can’t hit 70-80% win rate, that’s not really a problem at all.
The football’s miles better, it’s good being a town fan again, we always compete and nobody in this league looks like they can turn us over. All we need to do is find a way to kill games off. Yesterday was annoying, but they’re flying too and we’re at home (not that you’d have known it second half). The points dropped in recent 0-0s against lower opposition who camped on the edge of their box is the thing we need to sort out.
He’s doing brilliantly - even moreso considering it’s his first manager job. |  |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 13:35 - Mar 20 with 2223 views | BlueBadger |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 11:14 - Mar 20 by pennblue |
It is an unfair comparison you make though - this squad of players have now got to know each other - you are judging Cook on this time where the squad had just been assembled.
We are 11th in the form table over the past six games and we have played:
- Cheltenham Town
- Morecambe
- Fleetwood Town
- Lincoln City
- Portsmouth
- Oxford United
Honestly, I think we need another 3 or 4 quality signing in the summer. We are still way off being a top two side.
People will always moan about Cook's stats, but I saw him get the team playing like a top two side on a few occasions, the consistency had just not come at that point.
I do however think McKenna will get us up, but Cook would have done as well. With the resources they have available to them, both would / will succeed. |
Poor old Cookie. Sacked just as they were on the verge of gelling. | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 13:50 - Mar 20 with 2180 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 11:14 - Mar 20 by pennblue |
It is an unfair comparison you make though - this squad of players have now got to know each other - you are judging Cook on this time where the squad had just been assembled.
We are 11th in the form table over the past six games and we have played:
- Cheltenham Town
- Morecambe
- Fleetwood Town
- Lincoln City
- Portsmouth
- Oxford United
Honestly, I think we need another 3 or 4 quality signing in the summer. We are still way off being a top two side.
People will always moan about Cook's stats, but I saw him get the team playing like a top two side on a few occasions, the consistency had just not come at that point.
I do however think McKenna will get us up, but Cook would have done as well. With the resources they have available to them, both would / will succeed. |
We were on the verge of selling wolfy under cook. How would this season have ended with toto and edmundson still being a back 2... that we don't know but can't say I feel it would have been as solid as what we have. |  |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 14:57 - Mar 20 with 2102 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 09:51 - Mar 20 by pointofblue |
Though, despite being excellent defensively, Liverpool win games by scoring goals. Something we have struggled at under McKenna even though (using the phrase which has been widely mocked on here previously) the football has been much better.
I guess it’s galling more than anything. I can see what McKenna is trying to do, and for three quarters of the pitch it’s working. But we’re struggling in the final quarter when just fine margins would see us in the top six now. Hopefully we’re using up our bad luck and heartache now so we go on a charge next season.
The odd thing is I doubt I would be worrying about it if one of our usual strengths - a defender - hadn’t lost concentration for a split second in the final seconds yesterday. |
It doesn’t matter how our goalscoring compares, the point is that McKenna’s win rate is broadly on a par with one of the best managers in the world, which rather indicates that your suggestion that he really should have a much higher win rate is ridiculous | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 14:57 - Mar 20 with 2099 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 10:25 - Mar 20 by AlanG296 |
Don't know why you replied to my post with a message for someone called Paul. That's just weird. |
If you say so Paul | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 15:02 - Mar 20 with 2084 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 11:14 - Mar 20 by pennblue |
It is an unfair comparison you make though - this squad of players have now got to know each other - you are judging Cook on this time where the squad had just been assembled.
We are 11th in the form table over the past six games and we have played:
- Cheltenham Town
- Morecambe
- Fleetwood Town
- Lincoln City
- Portsmouth
- Oxford United
Honestly, I think we need another 3 or 4 quality signing in the summer. We are still way off being a top two side.
People will always moan about Cook's stats, but I saw him get the team playing like a top two side on a few occasions, the consistency had just not come at that point.
I do however think McKenna will get us up, but Cook would have done as well. With the resources they have available to them, both would / will succeed. |
Presumably Cook was just about to make the team gel by changing formation, restoring the likes of Woolfy and Jackson to the fold and making actual tactical changes in games to affect the outcome
Seriously though well done for choosing the day after we concede a 95th minute equaliser at one of the top sides in the division to resume your whole ‘sacking manager who failed badly with 2 different squads was ridiculous’ campaign | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 15:03 - Mar 20 with 2071 views | pointofblue |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 14:57 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
It doesn’t matter how our goalscoring compares, the point is that McKenna’s win rate is broadly on a par with one of the best managers in the world, which rather indicates that your suggestion that he really should have a much higher win rate is ridiculous |
My actual phrasing was, with a clean sheet success rate of more than 50%, I would have thought we'd have more wins on the board - and, indeed, on the run of play we should have. But I don't think I ever insinuated that McKenna's win rate was poor; it's anything but. | |
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| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 16:44 - Mar 20 with 2009 views | AlanG296 |
| We've conceded 6 goals in 16 games under McKenna on 14:57 - Mar 20 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
If you say so Paul |
Weirder and weirder. You need professional help. | | | |
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