| when even paul mason is calling him out ... 18:23 - Apr 8 with 2401 views | lowhouseblue |
there can only be owen jones left.
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| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 18:34 - Apr 8 with 2336 views | GlasgowBlue |
Your link is the end of the thread. Here is the start.
I’m sure redacted, redacted and redacted will be along in a minute to defend the dear leader. |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 18:42 - Apr 8 with 2296 views | Beckets |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 18:34 - Apr 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Your link is the end of the thread. Here is the start.
I’m sure redacted, redacted and redacted will be along in a minute to defend the dear leader. |
I’m going to settle down for the evening, monitor this thread and play the ‘neo liberalism’ reference drinking game. |  | | |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 19:36 - Apr 8 with 2183 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 18:34 - Apr 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Your link is the end of the thread. Here is the start.
I’m sure redacted, redacted and redacted will be along in a minute to defend the dear leader. |
I find these twitter threads very hard to navigate but having just read the Jacobin article his observations on the ultimate futility of war and the double standards on sucking up to Putin while he was massacring Chechens and oligarch money in our politics and wider society seem pretty accurate. ( No mention of the Bucha massacre that Mason brings up in his commentary) .
Unfortunately when we are where we are now then talk of ideals doesn't really move us any further forward in terms of resolving the situation. All a bit powder puff really. |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:19 - Apr 8 with 2087 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
When will Labour replace Corbyn as leader?
Surely they would be streaks ahead in the polls with someone like Starmer as leader! |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:46 - Apr 8 with 2011 views | wkj |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 18:34 - Apr 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Your link is the end of the thread. Here is the start.
I’m sure redacted, redacted and redacted will be along in a minute to defend the dear leader. |
That is [redacted]. If you're gonna try and play in the big leagues, at least use regulation syntax |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:57 - Apr 8 with 1975 views | Swansea_Blue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:19 - Apr 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
When will Labour replace Corbyn as leader?
Surely they would be streaks ahead in the polls with someone like Starmer as leader! |
He was useless as the leader and even more useless now he’s irrelevant. I wish Labour supporters would move on and forget about him. It’s a load of obsessive rubbish that helps nobody. (What I really wish is that a progressive, centrist to left, socially-leaning party with ideas to tackle the actual challenges we face appears out of nowhere and kicks them into touch, but no sign of that happening unfortunately). |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 21:08 - Apr 8 with 1934 views | Beckets |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:57 - Apr 8 by Swansea_Blue |
He was useless as the leader and even more useless now he’s irrelevant. I wish Labour supporters would move on and forget about him. It’s a load of obsessive rubbish that helps nobody. (What I really wish is that a progressive, centrist to left, socially-leaning party with ideas to tackle the actual challenges we face appears out of nowhere and kicks them into touch, but no sign of that happening unfortunately). |
Try the Green Party. | | | |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 22:24 - Apr 8 with 1798 views | HARRY10 |
has he come out yet ?
maybe he (whoever it is), is not at home
try knocking the door |  | | |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 22:33 - Apr 8 with 1771 views | Eireannach_gorm |
but what about the emails? |  | | |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 22:38 - Apr 8 with 1759 views | Swansea_Blue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 21:08 - Apr 8 by Beckets |
Try the Green Party. |
I have to vote Labour now after moving into a marginal, but I wish the greens could build some more momentum similar to how they do in Europe. | |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 23:31 - Apr 8 with 1679 views | bournemouthblue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 22:38 - Apr 8 by Swansea_Blue |
I have to vote Labour now after moving into a marginal, but I wish the greens could build some more momentum similar to how they do in Europe. |
I think the Greens actually appeal more in Tory areas for Tories who wouldn't dream of voting either Labour or Lib Dems but are fed up with the Tories
It will be a strange election next time around, I genuinely think Labour, Lib Dems and Greens should form some sort of alliance to tactically defeat the Tories
Much as the Brexit Party did with the Tories
It's for the greater good |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 00:00 - Apr 9 with 1643 views | Darth_Koont |
Paul Mason is to the left what Maajid Nawaz is to the centre.
Self-interested grifters who are playing the system and the ignorant. |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:27 - Apr 9 with 1372 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:57 - Apr 8 by Swansea_Blue |
He was useless as the leader and even more useless now he’s irrelevant. I wish Labour supporters would move on and forget about him. It’s a load of obsessive rubbish that helps nobody. (What I really wish is that a progressive, centrist to left, socially-leaning party with ideas to tackle the actual challenges we face appears out of nowhere and kicks them into touch, but no sign of that happening unfortunately). |
Why would Labour, or the Greens, or the LibDems not be that party?
My point is that, under Starmer, doesn't Labour become that?
We need another centrist/left party as much as shooting ourselves. Any vote left of centre is already split between those parties. Whereas the Conservatives do an excellent job of absorbing UKIP, the Brexit Party, etc and not losing their traditional support in doing so. Unless and/or until there is some form of proportional representation, the centre and left of politics needs to become less fragmented not more. | |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:30 - Apr 9 with 1357 views | GlasgowBlue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:27 - Apr 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why would Labour, or the Greens, or the LibDems not be that party?
My point is that, under Starmer, doesn't Labour become that?
We need another centrist/left party as much as shooting ourselves. Any vote left of centre is already split between those parties. Whereas the Conservatives do an excellent job of absorbing UKIP, the Brexit Party, etc and not losing their traditional support in doing so. Unless and/or until there is some form of proportional representation, the centre and left of politics needs to become less fragmented not more. |
Indeed. Labour under Starmer fit that bill perfectly.
An ideal scenario would be for a centre right breakaway by the old one nation Tories. That would see a lot of traditional Tories peel off from Johnson's party and let Labour through the middle. | |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:38 - Apr 9 with 1330 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:30 - Apr 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. Labour under Starmer fit that bill perfectly.
An ideal scenario would be for a centre right breakaway by the old one nation Tories. That would see a lot of traditional Tories peel off from Johnson's party and let Labour through the middle. |
As I say, the Tories have always been too wise to take that risk and protect power above all. It is the preserve of the centre/left to split the vote and look on from the shadows instead. | |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:54 - Apr 9 with 1287 views | SonOfSpock |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 12:27 - Apr 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why would Labour, or the Greens, or the LibDems not be that party?
My point is that, under Starmer, doesn't Labour become that?
We need another centrist/left party as much as shooting ourselves. Any vote left of centre is already split between those parties. Whereas the Conservatives do an excellent job of absorbing UKIP, the Brexit Party, etc and not losing their traditional support in doing so. Unless and/or until there is some form of proportional representation, the centre and left of politics needs to become less fragmented not more. |
People could take a look at the SDP. |  | | |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 15:00 - Apr 9 with 1140 views | HalifaxBlue |
I swore I'd never wade into the politics on here, but...
As someone living outside the UK, I find it almost humorous how often I see this hand-wringing about something this man has said, only to read the actual source and find a completely reasonable take.
If that Jacobin article is defending genocide deniers and Putin proxies (spoiler - it isn't), then any opposition to full-fledged war with Russia does the same. That is a very dangerous position to be in. |  |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 15:03 - Apr 9 with 1112 views | jontysnut |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 20:57 - Apr 8 by Swansea_Blue |
He was useless as the leader and even more useless now he’s irrelevant. I wish Labour supporters would move on and forget about him. It’s a load of obsessive rubbish that helps nobody. (What I really wish is that a progressive, centrist to left, socially-leaning party with ideas to tackle the actual challenges we face appears out of nowhere and kicks them into touch, but no sign of that happening unfortunately). |
Saw a good interview with an academic who argued that there is a big chunck of young voters who were attracted by Corbyn policies but are now effectively politically homeless. I'm more interested in the people who don't vote. I can't imagine most of them are pro Johnson. |  | | |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 15:08 - Apr 9 with 1080 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 15:03 - Apr 9 by jontysnut |
Saw a good interview with an academic who argued that there is a big chunck of young voters who were attracted by Corbyn policies but are now effectively politically homeless. I'm more interested in the people who don't vote. I can't imagine most of them are pro Johnson. |
Elections seem to be won as much by people not voting as parties attracting votes. The problem is how to get them to vote without alienating those who already support them. | |
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| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 15:21 - Apr 9 with 1040 views | jeera |
| when even paul mason is calling him out ... on 15:00 - Apr 9 by HalifaxBlue |
I swore I'd never wade into the politics on here, but...
As someone living outside the UK, I find it almost humorous how often I see this hand-wringing about something this man has said, only to read the actual source and find a completely reasonable take.
If that Jacobin article is defending genocide deniers and Putin proxies (spoiler - it isn't), then any opposition to full-fledged war with Russia does the same. That is a very dangerous position to be in. |
I also had to look over it a few times thinking I'd missed an entire paragraph or something.
The article is so inoffensive the only thing I wonder at is the point of its existence.
It does seem to be telling the reader the obvious with possibly its only purpose being to keep its author relevant in some way. [Post edited 9 Apr 2022 15:21]
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