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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:12 - Jan 13 by Eireannach_gorm
Reports suggest Russia has its key victory at Soledar. It’s important. The losses they have suffered are totally irrelevant. They can afford them. Ukraine cannot.
Whether Russia can sweep on and swallow more territory or consolidates for the offensive in a month or twos time will be interesting. My guess is consolidation while they bring in more kit and troops while smashing Ukraine’s infrastructure from afar.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:21 - Jan 13 with 6897 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:13 - Jan 13 by Churchman
Reports suggest Russia has its key victory at Soledar. It’s important. The losses they have suffered are totally irrelevant. They can afford them. Ukraine cannot.
Whether Russia can sweep on and swallow more territory or consolidates for the offensive in a month or twos time will be interesting. My guess is consolidation while they bring in more kit and troops while smashing Ukraine’s infrastructure from afar.
Terrifying. Is it possible the hardware the UK is sending can arrive in time to make any difference? It must be horrific to be Ukrainian, whether internally displaced, on the frontline or living abroad like those I know personally.
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:21 - Jan 13 by Nthsuffolkblue
Terrifying. Is it possible the hardware the UK is sending can arrive in time to make any difference? It must be horrific to be Ukrainian, whether internally displaced, on the frontline or living abroad like those I know personally.
A bit more than terrifying.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:18 - Jan 13 with 6821 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:21 - Jan 13 by Nthsuffolkblue
Terrifying. Is it possible the hardware the UK is sending can arrive in time to make any difference? It must be horrific to be Ukrainian, whether internally displaced, on the frontline or living abroad like those I know personally.
It feels like Russia is back on the front foot and western support is running out of energy. But maybe that’s just pessimism on my part. Ukrainian resistance has been mind boggling. I just don’t want to see it wasted.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:20 - Jan 13 with 6827 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:21 - Jan 13 by Nthsuffolkblue
Terrifying. Is it possible the hardware the UK is sending can arrive in time to make any difference? It must be horrific to be Ukrainian, whether internally displaced, on the frontline or living abroad like those I know personally.
Most equipment that Ukraine is asking for will take time. You can't just deliver some tanks and say have fun. They need training for Ukrainian crews, new logistics supplies for the spare parts and ammo. If Britain decided today to supply a couple of companies worth of Challenger 2 tanks, it would probably be a couple of months before they hit the front line. Sure you could deliver them quicker, but if the crews aren't trained and the infrastructure isn't there to maintain them, they'll be ineffective.
Decisions being made now about what to supply won't be about the situation in the next few weeks but the next 6 months. It would seem however that the time for timid support is over and the provision of heavy weapons should be accelerated.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:34 - Jan 13 with 6793 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 01:16 - Jan 13 by Eireannach_gorm
I am sure there are many things i could be critical of Ukraine but not regarding the current invasion by Russia. So I think we can safely say that we have clarified which side we both support. I would not regard your views as abusive just misguided and not evidence based.
Well, unlike you, I don't support either side. I'm on the site of peace. I'm both against Russia's aggression in Ukraine and the military support for Zelensky from NATO members which I think has achieved little more than promoting the death of a whole generation of a country's young men and the exodus of its women and children.
You will not find anything in my posts revelling in the progress or demise of either side in this conflict.
Unfortunately, all nations at war have a history of calling those who speak out for peace as apologists for the other side. The fact that I have been similarly labelled is no surprise, but disappointing all the same.
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:34 - Jan 13 by Cafe_Newman
Well, unlike you, I don't support either side. I'm on the site of peace. I'm both against Russia's aggression in Ukraine and the military support for Zelensky from NATO members which I think has achieved little more than promoting the death of a whole generation of a country's young men and the exodus of its women and children.
You will not find anything in my posts revelling in the progress or demise of either side in this conflict.
Unfortunately, all nations at war have a history of calling those who speak out for peace as apologists for the other side. The fact that I have been similarly labelled is no surprise, but disappointing all the same.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:34 - Jan 13 by Cafe_Newman
Well, unlike you, I don't support either side. I'm on the site of peace. I'm both against Russia's aggression in Ukraine and the military support for Zelensky from NATO members which I think has achieved little more than promoting the death of a whole generation of a country's young men and the exodus of its women and children.
You will not find anything in my posts revelling in the progress or demise of either side in this conflict.
Unfortunately, all nations at war have a history of calling those who speak out for peace as apologists for the other side. The fact that I have been similarly labelled is no surprise, but disappointing all the same.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:44 - Jan 14 with 6597 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:34 - Jan 13 by Cafe_Newman
Well, unlike you, I don't support either side. I'm on the site of peace. I'm both against Russia's aggression in Ukraine and the military support for Zelensky from NATO members which I think has achieved little more than promoting the death of a whole generation of a country's young men and the exodus of its women and children.
You will not find anything in my posts revelling in the progress or demise of either side in this conflict.
Unfortunately, all nations at war have a history of calling those who speak out for peace as apologists for the other side. The fact that I have been similarly labelled is no surprise, but disappointing all the same.
So the Russian invasion is unjustified but for the sake of peace Ukraine should surrender?
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:34 - Jan 13 by Cafe_Newman
Well, unlike you, I don't support either side. I'm on the site of peace. I'm both against Russia's aggression in Ukraine and the military support for Zelensky from NATO members which I think has achieved little more than promoting the death of a whole generation of a country's young men and the exodus of its women and children.
You will not find anything in my posts revelling in the progress or demise of either side in this conflict.
Unfortunately, all nations at war have a history of calling those who speak out for peace as apologists for the other side. The fact that I have been similarly labelled is no surprise, but disappointing all the same.
I'm not on Ukrainian's side. I don't support them invading Russia. I am for the defense of nations within Europe against invasions. By not supporting the defense of smaller nations, you support the aggressor. In this case that is Russia.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:34 - Jan 13 by Cafe_Newman
Well, unlike you, I don't support either side. I'm on the site of peace. I'm both against Russia's aggression in Ukraine and the military support for Zelensky from NATO members which I think has achieved little more than promoting the death of a whole generation of a country's young men and the exodus of its women and children.
You will not find anything in my posts revelling in the progress or demise of either side in this conflict.
Unfortunately, all nations at war have a history of calling those who speak out for peace as apologists for the other side. The fact that I have been similarly labelled is no surprise, but disappointing all the same.
What I detest about comments like this is the implication that anyone not supporting the ‘give peace a chance’ or more pointedly nobody is in the wrong. So Ukraine should just give in and be swallowed Czechoslovakia style and anyone against this is a warmonger.
I think you will find nobody wanted any of this, apart from a stupid little man and his useful idiots in the Kremlin. Only crazy people don’t want peace. But not at any price. Sometimes you have to stop the Putins of this world. History is littered with scum like him. Nobody is revelling in the demise of anybody. I’ll give you one though. If Putin is killed, I’ll enjoy a drink to celebrate.
I’ve no doubt that your peace at any price approach gives you a feeling of the moral high ground. Well done, I’m sure it’s a bracing sort of feeling for you.
As far as I can tell, your solution to an aggressor is to give them what they want. Nobody gets hurt then and everyone can get on with there lives. Simple, as long as you are not personally affected I presume.
Given what that piece of dirt Putin is, would you ever say ‘no more’? Do you believe he will ever stop trying to fulfil his insane dreams? Do you care? With the equivalence stance you take, that makes you an apologist in my view.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:43 - Jan 18 with 6006 views
The Poles think Russia is planning a fresh offensive. They have the kit and more than enough men for at worst a WW1 style attack. Fake news? I guess the answer will depend on how much Ukraine has left. Such brave people.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 23:22 - Jan 18 with 5849 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:18 - Jan 13 by Churchman
It feels like Russia is back on the front foot and western support is running out of energy. But maybe that’s just pessimism on my part. Ukrainian resistance has been mind boggling. I just don’t want to see it wasted.
The Russian army hasn’t taken Soleda it was the Wagner group! They have advanced probably 5kms at most and are still getting hit by Ukr artillery. After 10 months they still haven’t taken Bakmut so to say the tide is turning is a bit drastic. There will always be ebb and flow on any battlefield and further up in Kremina it appears the Ukr are very near or actually in the town! The orcs manage to advance in metres the Ukr does 10s of Kms! With the amount of hardware now coming in I wouldn’t rule out Ukr going on the offensive in the south before longðŸ‘(Please excuse the spelling of the towns🙄)
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:32 - Jan 19 with 8240 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 23:22 - Jan 18 by bluejacko
The Russian army hasn’t taken Soleda it was the Wagner group! They have advanced probably 5kms at most and are still getting hit by Ukr artillery. After 10 months they still haven’t taken Bakmut so to say the tide is turning is a bit drastic. There will always be ebb and flow on any battlefield and further up in Kremina it appears the Ukr are very near or actually in the town! The orcs manage to advance in metres the Ukr does 10s of Kms! With the amount of hardware now coming in I wouldn’t rule out Ukr going on the offensive in the south before longðŸ‘(Please excuse the spelling of the towns🙄)
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Your spelling of these places is far better than mine. You are hopefully right.
My concern is that in an attritional battle, the losses of men to Russia is irrelevant (there is a limitless supply now and they’re barely trained anyway - cannon fodder) and with time to rebuild its positions and supply lines it can basically outlast Ukraine, especially as it dismantles its infrastructure. How the people are coping with this given how tough the weather is at this time, goodness only knows.
Time will tell and hopefully Ukraine will continue to endure and push them back.
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The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 11:30 - Jan 19 with 8151 views
The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 07:32 - Jan 19 by Churchman
Your spelling of these places is far better than mine. You are hopefully right.
My concern is that in an attritional battle, the losses of men to Russia is irrelevant (there is a limitless supply now and they’re barely trained anyway - cannon fodder) and with time to rebuild its positions and supply lines it can basically outlast Ukraine, especially as it dismantles its infrastructure. How the people are coping with this given how tough the weather is at this time, goodness only knows.
Time will tell and hopefully Ukraine will continue to endure and push them back.
I think it's not without reason to be more cautious right now. In terms of attrition, it's not just manpower where Russia could have an advantage. When it comes to tanks and perhaps more crucially IFVs they have a much greater stockpile in reserve. Yes it's older equipment, but at the moment Ukraine is depleting it's stocks of IFVs and tanks, while the west doesn't seem to be ramping up deliveries of systems like the Bradley, Leopard, etc... quick enough. Something is still better than nothing, especially if Ukraine hopes to mount offensive operations, because without combined arms it will fail against an entrenched enemy.
IFVs (and somewhat tanks too) are effectively expendable, so perhaps some western countries are reluctant to send them knowing the majority will not survive. Ukraine can deploy HIMARS safely behind the frontline and scurry before a response can be mustered. IFVs by their nature are deployed right in the front line and in offensive operations will be lost in the course of battles.
The key very much still remains that Russia does not have the industrial capacity to match if the West commits to helping Ukraine, but it relies on sticking the course. It's very frustrating to read about the current situation with Leopard 2s where Germany it seems don't want to send them without America sending Abrams, but America is saying that the logistics of the Abrams upkeep and fuelling would be problematic as they are such ridiculous fuel hogs (even amongst tanks). So we get stuck in Limbo where Germany are holding up potentially hundreds of tanks from multiple countries arsenals which now cannot be shared.
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