| Why do the honest, hard working, working class 10:21 - Jun 3 with 14328 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Still grovel and aspire to the self imposed elite? They really play their role in the archaic British class system and help promote the narrative of trickle down economics. The concept of royalty really is absurd.
Sorry for the random morning musings. |  | | |  |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:42 - Jun 3 with 1095 views | Illinoisblue |
Different but similar: why do so many poor Americans worship the billionaire Trump? A man who wouldn’t piss on those poor people if they were on fire. Flag, flag, something guns, hate the immigrants. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:47 - Jun 3 with 1089 views | Butterbing |
Do people really care why there is a 4 day weekend and an excuse to have a party? I think the majority of people are just swept along with all of the media hype and the flag-waving loons and don't really think about it too much.
Personally, I'm not interested in the monarchy whatsoever. I'm having some friends over later for a party but it's just a bank holiday party in the garden, not really a celebration of the queen. I would, however, rather not have to listen to the national anthem whilst I am having a cuppa in the garden or be able to browse the internet without a gazillion articles about an old lady whose sole cause for being celebrated seems to have been not dying. Each to their own though, I'm just leaving the street party flag-waving loons to themselves. |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:55 - Jun 3 with 1068 views | J2BLUE |
I think, for most people, it's more about getting a few days off from work, spending some time with family/friends and chilling out.
For many people, putting a bit of bunting up and having a bit of a piss up/bbq etc is no different to putting up a new fake cobwebs and dressing up at Halloween.
On a side note, I am now lucky enough to work from home and will be working the weekend but many people in shops/bars/restaurants as well as the emergency services won't be sitting in the sun with a nice cold beer. Working during time like this is soul destroying when it feels like the rest of the world are having a good time. Especially when companies are extending hours whenever they can to squeeze the last drops of profit as they put profit above people every time they get the choice. Consider boycotting the big supermarkets etc during this time if you can. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:56 - Jun 3 with 1066 views | OldFart71 |
Don't consider myself a Royalist. But I do believe Her Maj has earned her crust over the years. What I do however is object to all the hangers on who live off the state. With regards to the class system you will never get rid of it. It is entrenched in this Country. Nothing wrong with aspiring to better yourself, but don't expect to be enlisted in the upper echelons of society just because you have achieved something. At the other end of the scale there are those that have no desire to achieve anything other than being able to have a few tinnies and a bet on the nags. |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:57 - Jun 3 with 1065 views | gazzer1999 |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:21 - Jun 3 by FromReuserWithLove |
really odd take mate. |
Not really, as you and the usual suspects have done for the first 2 days. Never mind you won't need to worry next year as you won't get your extra day off work (if you do work). |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:11 - Jun 3 with 1026 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:57 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Not really, as you and the usual suspects have done for the first 2 days. Never mind you won't need to worry next year as you won't get your extra day off work (if you do work). |
literally my first post on the matter and not actually solely directed at the monarchy but the British class system in general. I work very hard thank you but simply don't understand why working people look to worship those who so openly take advantage of them - that's all. Not sure why you felt the need to get so angry about but each to their own. I'm happy for you to have your flag mast in your garden and be super proud of your special human beings, just don't get it. Sorry. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:13 - Jun 3 with 1015 views | Ryorry |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 12:24 - Jun 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just saying "I'm not brainwashed" by its very nature isn't necessarily true. Because what you think and therefore say comes from the same brain!
Answer the point: if monarchy had never existed and someone came up with the idea today, would you be in favour? We'll make one person our ruler - give them palaces to live in, all the best food, drink, healthcare, waited on hand and foot, for free - without any qualifications, manifesto etc. Just pure luck.
Therein lies the answer to if you're brainwashed or not. You're obviously going to deny it - no-one wants to think that they're brainwashed. But if you look at what it is objectively, the idea of a monarchy is bonkers. |
No, the monarchy wouldn't make sense if someone dreamt it up as it is today.
Nor would our fptp primarily 2-party adversarial parliamentary system.
But here we are, as someone else pointed out, countries are as they are today as a result of centuries of tradition & history.
As for brainwashing, shoe is on other foot as far as I'm concerned. I'm an atheist by choice despite decades of religious brainwashing; a Labour-voting Northern living by choice sjw despite decades of Tory parenting & Surrey commuter-belt upbringing; & critical of the royals where that's warranted. I note the judgemental stance from yourself, who's never even met me though. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:16 - Jun 3 with 1003 views | gazzer1999 |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:11 - Jun 3 by FromReuserWithLove |
literally my first post on the matter and not actually solely directed at the monarchy but the British class system in general. I work very hard thank you but simply don't understand why working people look to worship those who so openly take advantage of them - that's all. Not sure why you felt the need to get so angry about but each to their own. I'm happy for you to have your flag mast in your garden and be super proud of your special human beings, just don't get it. Sorry. |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:18 - Jun 3 with 1000 views | unstableblue |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:42 - Jun 3 by Illinoisblue |
Different but similar: why do so many poor Americans worship the billionaire Trump? A man who wouldn’t piss on those poor people if they were on fire. Flag, flag, something guns, hate the immigrants. |
I mean the ‘Trump University’ sales scripts… could have just said ‘exploit the poor’!!
But in reality were just grim and twisted extortion rackets. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:27 - Jun 3 with 979 views | BloomBlue |
But what is working class?
When I started in the working age working class people lived in a council house, didn't own a car didn't own a phone, didn't go to university and holiday was a caravan in Felixstowe for a week.
I still see working class the same so if you have any of those I consider you middle or upper class.
But working class people wanted more that didnt mean they aspired to be elite.
Honestly it's people like you who constantly keep bringing up the topic of class who are helping continue the archaic class system, but as above what is work class? |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:36 - Jun 3 with 966 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:27 - Jun 3 by BloomBlue |
But what is working class?
When I started in the working age working class people lived in a council house, didn't own a car didn't own a phone, didn't go to university and holiday was a caravan in Felixstowe for a week.
I still see working class the same so if you have any of those I consider you middle or upper class.
But working class people wanted more that didnt mean they aspired to be elite.
Honestly it's people like you who constantly keep bringing up the topic of class who are helping continue the archaic class system, but as above what is work class? |
So if you own a phone and holiday further away than Felixstowe you are middle class?
You need to enter the 21st century mate.
You can get a mobile phone for a tenner these days and a foreign holiday for a few hundred quid.
Honestly it's people like you who use standards from the 1970s to demonise the working class for daring to live in the real world who are justifying the actions and ideology of the Tories. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:37 - Jun 3 with 961 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:36 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
So if you own a phone and holiday further away than Felixstowe you are middle class?
You need to enter the 21st century mate.
You can get a mobile phone for a tenner these days and a foreign holiday for a few hundred quid.
Honestly it's people like you who use standards from the 1970s to demonise the working class for daring to live in the real world who are justifying the actions and ideology of the Tories. |
apologies, didn't intend the downvote. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:39 - Jun 3 with 953 views | BloomBlue |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:36 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
So if you own a phone and holiday further away than Felixstowe you are middle class?
You need to enter the 21st century mate.
You can get a mobile phone for a tenner these days and a foreign holiday for a few hundred quid.
Honestly it's people like you who use standards from the 1970s to demonise the working class for daring to live in the real world who are justifying the actions and ideology of the Tories. |
So you didnt answer my question, what is working class
And it was 1950's not 70s [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 14:39]
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:40 - Jun 3 with 948 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:39 - Jun 3 by BloomBlue |
So you didnt answer my question, what is working class
And it was 1950's not 70s [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 14:39]
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I was using your definition to point out how utterly stupid your post was. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:41 - Jun 3 with 943 views | BloomBlue |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:40 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
I was using your definition to point out how utterly stupid your post was. |
So you dont have an answer then, not surprised | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:45 - Jun 3 with 931 views | Butterbing |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:36 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
So if you own a phone and holiday further away than Felixstowe you are middle class?
You need to enter the 21st century mate.
You can get a mobile phone for a tenner these days and a foreign holiday for a few hundred quid.
Honestly it's people like you who use standards from the 1970s to demonise the working class for daring to live in the real world who are justifying the actions and ideology of the Tories. |
What about the people of Felixstowe? Are they just working class because they already live there? | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:45 - Jun 3 with 930 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:41 - Jun 3 by BloomBlue |
So you dont have an answer then, not surprised |
Working poorly paid jobs which would historically (and usually unfairly) be described as 'unskilled'. Mostly living month to month with most income going on essentials. Might risk the ire of the local Tories by daring to save up for a week in the sun once a year. Many working in jobs which require physical effort (labouring) or physical presence (like retail). | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:46 - Jun 3 with 928 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:45 - Jun 3 by Butterbing |
What about the people of Felixstowe? Are they just working class because they already live there? |
Only if they have a staycation. If they holiday outside of Felixstowe they are automatically middle class. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:48 - Jun 3 with 921 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 10:45 - Jun 3 by unstableblue |
What is even weirder is that the working class vote at scale for Boris and the like of Jacob Rees Mogg... and still believe that Boris is a force for good for them.... this cabinet are so elitist, and disconnected from the needs of the working class, it really does not make sense |
Indeed it’s amazing anyone could bring themselves to vote for the scruffy, incompetent, privileged bigot. But that’s enough about Jeremy Corbyn.
I can’t believe the amount of fawning over the Monarchy, and all the usual faux arguments about how much money they bring in tourism etc. Unsubstantiated rubbish. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:48 - Jun 3 with 920 views | gazzer1999 |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:45 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
Working poorly paid jobs which would historically (and usually unfairly) be described as 'unskilled'. Mostly living month to month with most income going on essentials. Might risk the ire of the local Tories by daring to save up for a week in the sun once a year. Many working in jobs which require physical effort (labouring) or physical presence (like retail). |
Define unskilled jobs please. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:51 - Jun 3 with 911 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:27 - Jun 3 by BloomBlue |
But what is working class?
When I started in the working age working class people lived in a council house, didn't own a car didn't own a phone, didn't go to university and holiday was a caravan in Felixstowe for a week.
I still see working class the same so if you have any of those I consider you middle or upper class.
But working class people wanted more that didnt mean they aspired to be elite.
Honestly it's people like you who constantly keep bringing up the topic of class who are helping continue the archaic class system, but as above what is work class? |
not sure why you're attacking me for this but here it goes:
'(UK also the working classes) a social group that consists of people who earn little money, often being paid only for the hours or days that they work, and who usually do physical work: The working class usually react/reacts in a predictable way to government policies. Compare.'
I detest the class system but denying it exist just plays into the hands of those in power. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:53 - Jun 3 with 905 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:48 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Define unskilled jobs please. |
Jobs that most economists would describe as unskilled. As I said in my post, this is usually an unfair thing to say.
Jobs such as cleaners, shop workers, labourers etc.
Again, this is not my opinion. I'm using the widely used definition and examples. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:53 - Jun 3 with 902 views | Butterbing |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:36 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
So if you own a phone and holiday further away than Felixstowe you are middle class?
You need to enter the 21st century mate.
You can get a mobile phone for a tenner these days and a foreign holiday for a few hundred quid.
Honestly it's people like you who use standards from the 1970s to demonise the working class for daring to live in the real world who are justifying the actions and ideology of the Tories. |
The modern social classes were redefined in a ONS study in 2001. A quick google suggests there are now 7 classes. Your definition is outdated as social classifications such as working and middle class are no longer relevant. I would suggest the OP meant absolutely zero disrespect so no need for anybody to be a snowflake about it.
The updated classifications which would correspond to the old working class would be based on the person's job. They would be "Semi-Routine Occupations" and "Routine Occupations". Movement between classifications is these days very achievable through education and job progression. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:55 - Jun 3 with 893 views | gazzer1999 |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:51 - Jun 3 by FromReuserWithLove |
not sure why you're attacking me for this but here it goes:
'(UK also the working classes) a social group that consists of people who earn little money, often being paid only for the hours or days that they work, and who usually do physical work: The working class usually react/reacts in a predictable way to government policies. Compare.'
I detest the class system but denying it exist just plays into the hands of those in power. |
"often being paid only for the hours or days that they work" Wow is there a different sort? | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:56 - Jun 3 with 888 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:53 - Jun 3 by Butterbing |
The modern social classes were redefined in a ONS study in 2001. A quick google suggests there are now 7 classes. Your definition is outdated as social classifications such as working and middle class are no longer relevant. I would suggest the OP meant absolutely zero disrespect so no need for anybody to be a snowflake about it.
The updated classifications which would correspond to the old working class would be based on the person's job. They would be "Semi-Routine Occupations" and "Routine Occupations". Movement between classifications is these days very achievable through education and job progression. |
I remember reading that.
Just to be clear, me mocking Bloom's final paragraph seems to have been missed and people think i'm thinking in terms of the class system. I was just taking the piss out of his ridiculous post.
Then as people have asked what is working class and what are working class jobs i've literally copied over from google as it is not my opinion, just what has been historically considered correct. | |
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