| Why do the honest, hard working, working class 10:21 - Jun 3 with 14348 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Still grovel and aspire to the self imposed elite? They really play their role in the archaic British class system and help promote the narrative of trickle down economics. The concept of royalty really is absurd.
Sorry for the random morning musings. |  | | |  |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:57 - Jun 3 with 1189 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:56 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
I remember reading that.
Just to be clear, me mocking Bloom's final paragraph seems to have been missed and people think i'm thinking in terms of the class system. I was just taking the piss out of his ridiculous post.
Then as people have asked what is working class and what are working class jobs i've literally copied over from google as it is not my opinion, just what has been historically considered correct. |
I think that was obvious. Some people just try very hard to start a fight. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:58 - Jun 3 with 1189 views | Butterbing |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:55 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
"often being paid only for the hours or days that they work" Wow is there a different sort? |
A salaried profession for example. This is not usually paid per hour/per day. However, the work is there to be done in the time it takes. |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 1167 views | BloomBlue |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:45 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
Working poorly paid jobs which would historically (and usually unfairly) be described as 'unskilled'. Mostly living month to month with most income going on essentials. Might risk the ire of the local Tories by daring to save up for a week in the sun once a year. Many working in jobs which require physical effort (labouring) or physical presence (like retail). |
Loads of people live month to month on what they call essentials ie a mortgage, a car loan
What's unskilled?
My neighbour is a computer programmer, is he unskilled or skilled?
He tells me he goes into his overdraft every month after paying his essentials, does that make him working class? Btw he will tell you he is a proud working class person |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 1167 views | Butterbing |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:56 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
I remember reading that.
Just to be clear, me mocking Bloom's final paragraph seems to have been missed and people think i'm thinking in terms of the class system. I was just taking the piss out of his ridiculous post.
Then as people have asked what is working class and what are working class jobs i've literally copied over from google as it is not my opinion, just what has been historically considered correct. |
Sorry, I replied to the wrong post. I intended to respond to the ridiculous Felixstowe/Mobile phone definition of class. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:02 - Jun 3 with 1162 views | jeera |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 13:57 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
Not really, as you and the usual suspects have done for the first 2 days. Never mind you won't need to worry next year as you won't get your extra day off work (if you do work). |
The trouble with the 'usual suspects' line is it's come to mean anyone who disagrees with some elements on here.
It was used for a while for certain people who don't even post on here anymore so it can't mean them, so who exactly does it apply to?
It's not me but I would possibly appear on that mental list of posters despite my not commenting on the subject. (Oh there's an unintentional pun - subject, get it?).
There's no point in implying that others are being divisive then using those kind of language.
It's not the usual suspects is it, it's just some people do not view the monarchy in the same way as you and a number of others do.
They're all taxpayers and entitled to air their displeasure at the whole thing, especially those who have pointed out costing.
For a country that tightens its belt at every available opportunity we sure seem to have a lot of funds to throw about when it suits so I can understand that stance.
Also the concept of a special family is weird, really weird.
That said, today's beliefs cannot be applied retrospectively to the past and as far as I am concerned Liz has been an exceptional ambassador for this nation.
I say this every time, once her time is up so the line should end but until then she should be respected at least.
Edit: and this line that keeps getting repeated about a day-off, it's stupid and shows the shallow nature of the argument, it really does. What country would keep an entire monarchy in situ so the public can have an extra day off now and then. [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 15:06]
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:02 - Jun 3 with 1161 views | gazzer1999 |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:53 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
Jobs that most economists would describe as unskilled. As I said in my post, this is usually an unfair thing to say.
Jobs such as cleaners, shop workers, labourers etc.
Again, this is not my opinion. I'm using the widely used definition and examples. |
So 17-18 year olds working in maccy d's on over £9.00 an hour poorly paid then?
Do you know how little apprentices get? and they go on hopefully to be highly skilled.
Last time I looked you still need training to do any job be it cleaners, shop workers etc.
Sir Terry Leahy stacked shelves at Tesco's but later went on to be the CEO. I wonder if he describes himself working class still? |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:03 - Jun 3 with 1157 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:00 - Jun 3 by BloomBlue |
Loads of people live month to month on what they call essentials ie a mortgage, a car loan
What's unskilled?
My neighbour is a computer programmer, is he unskilled or skilled?
He tells me he goes into his overdraft every month after paying his essentials, does that make him working class? Btw he will tell you he is a proud working class person |
Does he tell you by phone? If so, definitely not working class... |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:04 - Jun 3 with 1155 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:02 - Jun 3 by jeera |
The trouble with the 'usual suspects' line is it's come to mean anyone who disagrees with some elements on here.
It was used for a while for certain people who don't even post on here anymore so it can't mean them, so who exactly does it apply to?
It's not me but I would possibly appear on that mental list of posters despite my not commenting on the subject. (Oh there's an unintentional pun - subject, get it?).
There's no point in implying that others are being divisive then using those kind of language.
It's not the usual suspects is it, it's just some people do not view the monarchy in the same way as you and a number of others do.
They're all taxpayers and entitled to air their displeasure at the whole thing, especially those who have pointed out costing.
For a country that tightens its belt at every available opportunity we sure seem to have a lot of funds to throw about when it suits so I can understand that stance.
Also the concept of a special family is weird, really weird.
That said, today's beliefs cannot be applied retrospectively to the past and as far as I am concerned Liz has been an exceptional ambassador for this nation.
I say this every time, once her time is up so the line should end but until then she should be respected at least.
Edit: and this line that keeps getting repeated about a day-off, it's stupid and shows the shallow nature of the argument, it really does. What country would keep an entire monarchy in situ so the public can have an extra day off now and then. [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 15:06]
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:05 - Jun 3 with 1154 views | Illinoisblue |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:18 - Jun 3 by unstableblue |
I mean the ‘Trump University’ sales scripts… could have just said ‘exploit the poor’!!
But in reality were just grim and twisted extortion rackets. |
And just one of many many cons and grifts. A crime family. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:09 - Jun 3 with 1134 views | Butterbing |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:02 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
So 17-18 year olds working in maccy d's on over £9.00 an hour poorly paid then?
Do you know how little apprentices get? and they go on hopefully to be highly skilled.
Last time I looked you still need training to do any job be it cleaners, shop workers etc.
Sir Terry Leahy stacked shelves at Tesco's but later went on to be the CEO. I wonder if he describes himself working class still? |
What exactly is your point? It really isn't clear.
Socio-economic classifications are not fixed for life. Yes, you need training to do any job but for others you need a professional qualification. Most people could do the training required to be a cleaner or work in a restaurant. However, it takes years to get a professional qualification for something such as a Veterinarian, Accountant, Doctor or Teacher and you can't work as such without that qualification. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:11 - Jun 3 with 1121 views | gazzer1999 |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:02 - Jun 3 by jeera |
The trouble with the 'usual suspects' line is it's come to mean anyone who disagrees with some elements on here.
It was used for a while for certain people who don't even post on here anymore so it can't mean them, so who exactly does it apply to?
It's not me but I would possibly appear on that mental list of posters despite my not commenting on the subject. (Oh there's an unintentional pun - subject, get it?).
There's no point in implying that others are being divisive then using those kind of language.
It's not the usual suspects is it, it's just some people do not view the monarchy in the same way as you and a number of others do.
They're all taxpayers and entitled to air their displeasure at the whole thing, especially those who have pointed out costing.
For a country that tightens its belt at every available opportunity we sure seem to have a lot of funds to throw about when it suits so I can understand that stance.
Also the concept of a special family is weird, really weird.
That said, today's beliefs cannot be applied retrospectively to the past and as far as I am concerned Liz has been an exceptional ambassador for this nation.
I say this every time, once her time is up so the line should end but until then she should be respected at least.
Edit: and this line that keeps getting repeated about a day-off, it's stupid and shows the shallow nature of the argument, it really does. What country would keep an entire monarchy in situ so the public can have an extra day off now and then. [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 15:06]
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"For a country that tightens its belt at every available opportunity we sure seem to have a lot of funds to throw about when it suits so I can understand that stance" That is a governmental lie pushed at every opportunity to push a narrative of being competent. Spending and borrowing is going up massively every year, it's just how creative governments of both sides can get in trying to extract more tax from us all. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:12 - Jun 3 with 1107 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 14:13 - Jun 3 by Ryorry |
No, the monarchy wouldn't make sense if someone dreamt it up as it is today.
Nor would our fptp primarily 2-party adversarial parliamentary system.
But here we are, as someone else pointed out, countries are as they are today as a result of centuries of tradition & history.
As for brainwashing, shoe is on other foot as far as I'm concerned. I'm an atheist by choice despite decades of religious brainwashing; a Labour-voting Northern living by choice sjw despite decades of Tory parenting & Surrey commuter-belt upbringing; & critical of the royals where that's warranted. I note the judgemental stance from yourself, who's never even met me though. |
Not really interested in getting into other things, I'm only talking about the monarchy. And "centuries of tradition & history" = brainwashing. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:13 - Jun 3 with 1110 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:02 - Jun 3 by gazzer1999 |
So 17-18 year olds working in maccy d's on over £9.00 an hour poorly paid then?
Do you know how little apprentices get? and they go on hopefully to be highly skilled.
Last time I looked you still need training to do any job be it cleaners, shop workers etc.
Sir Terry Leahy stacked shelves at Tesco's but later went on to be the CEO. I wonder if he describes himself working class still? |
Have you actually read any of the above? I posted one post taking the piss and then you and Bloom start demanding definitions so i've posted them while making it clear they are not my opinions.
Which part of this don't you get? | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:13 - Jun 3 with 1103 views | XYZ |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:09 - Jun 3 by Butterbing |
What exactly is your point? It really isn't clear.
Socio-economic classifications are not fixed for life. Yes, you need training to do any job but for others you need a professional qualification. Most people could do the training required to be a cleaner or work in a restaurant. However, it takes years to get a professional qualification for something such as a Veterinarian, Accountant, Doctor or Teacher and you can't work as such without that qualification. |
He has some vital points about definitions.
This derailed J2's serious point about economic exploitation some time ago.
Which was his intention. |  | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:50 - Jun 3 with 1040 views | Ryorry |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:12 - Jun 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not really interested in getting into other things, I'm only talking about the monarchy. And "centuries of tradition & history" = brainwashing. |
By your own definition you're brainwashed then, as you vote in parliamentary elections. |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:58 - Jun 3 with 1035 views | chicoazul |
Luxemburg said she would prefer the worst most base republic to hereditary monarchy. Recent events show us this is a bad opinion. Remember; the Queen or King keeps us from an all powerful President. [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 16:00]
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:07 - Jun 3 with 1015 views | Ryorry |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 15:58 - Jun 3 by chicoazul |
Luxemburg said she would prefer the worst most base republic to hereditary monarchy. Recent events show us this is a bad opinion. Remember; the Queen or King keeps us from an all powerful President. [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 16:00]
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Quite. If anyone offered in reality a better alternative to the current model (I'd take the Dutch lite one, eg), fine.
As a 70-something yr old, there's never in my lifetime been a PM who's been as good & decent a role model as Her Maj - who btw I respect as a *person*, rather than "my Queen" - have never really thought of her as that. I respect her for who she is, not what she is. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:40 - Jun 3 with 981 views | solemio |
Chicoazul actually agrees with the acknowledged greatest expert on the British constitution, Prof. Vernon Bogdanor.
Bogdanor says that if you were starting from scratch to come up with a constitution you would never end up with an hereditary monarchy. However as we already have it there is little doubt that it is preferable to any alternative.
Personally I'm not a hundred miles from Ryorry's position. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:45 - Jun 3 with 973 views | Butterbing |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:07 - Jun 3 by Ryorry |
Quite. If anyone offered in reality a better alternative to the current model (I'd take the Dutch lite one, eg), fine.
As a 70-something yr old, there's never in my lifetime been a PM who's been as good & decent a role model as Her Maj - who btw I respect as a *person*, rather than "my Queen" - have never really thought of her as that. I respect her for who she is, not what she is. |
How about an elected rather than hereditary head of state with the same functions as we have currently?
Stipulations could involve that they are neutral and apolitical (as the Queen currently is). As the role is largely ceremonial our current political system would remain unchanged.
The suggestion that without a hereditary monarch our country would descend into an autocracy is rather ridiculous. | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:59 - Jun 3 with 950 views | J2BLUE |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:45 - Jun 3 by Butterbing |
How about an elected rather than hereditary head of state with the same functions as we have currently?
Stipulations could involve that they are neutral and apolitical (as the Queen currently is). As the role is largely ceremonial our current political system would remain unchanged.
The suggestion that without a hereditary monarch our country would descend into an autocracy is rather ridiculous. |
Arguably Charles would be the right person at the right time. He might be politically neutral but a weekly call with the PM where he can drum it in about climate change might be useful. Who knows, maybe when he goes there will be the will to change as it's mainly a generational thing now. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 17:06 - Jun 3 with 947 views | itfcjoe |
Maybe some people just enjoy being part of big celebrations, and coming together, and being British rather than just being angry and miserable their whole life? |  |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 17:06 - Jun 3 with 941 views | jeera |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:59 - Jun 3 by J2BLUE |
Arguably Charles would be the right person at the right time. He might be politically neutral but a weekly call with the PM where he can drum it in about climate change might be useful. Who knows, maybe when he goes there will be the will to change as it's mainly a generational thing now. |
It's a fair shout.
There's no need for the umpteen massive properties anymore but a trimmed down version of the institution with a vision for good cause could well be the way for the short term future if nothing else. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 17:23 - Jun 3 with 929 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 17:06 - Jun 3 by itfcjoe |
Maybe some people just enjoy being part of big celebrations, and coming together, and being British rather than just being angry and miserable their whole life? |
Bit reactionary but I get your point Joe. It was a general observation rather than a pointed attack on the monarchy per se. You're correct ofcourse, one must never question the status-quo and "let them eat cake" as they say.
Now, must stop being angry and miserable! | | | |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 17:27 - Jun 3 with 920 views | chicoazul |
| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 16:40 - Jun 3 by solemio |
Chicoazul actually agrees with the acknowledged greatest expert on the British constitution, Prof. Vernon Bogdanor.
Bogdanor says that if you were starting from scratch to come up with a constitution you would never end up with an hereditary monarchy. However as we already have it there is little doubt that it is preferable to any alternative.
Personally I'm not a hundred miles from Ryorry's position. |
For me it’s like all the best English things; nothing was designed it just evolved that way. | |
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| Why do the honest, hard working, working class on 17:32 - Jun 3 with 905 views | noggin |
It actually saddens me to see relatively poor people celebrating such wealth inequality. I don't hold any hatred for her but I do feel the whole class system should be banished to shameful history. |  |
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