| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears 18:15 - Jun 18 with 8003 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I guess everyone cheering on international restrictions for two years while happily working on their laptops to are now going to be all angry when it takes them 5 hours to get their luggage this summer.
Funny how that all works when an industry gets decimated eh. |  | | |  |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:11 - Jun 21 with 509 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:36 - Jun 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So that's it: I KNOW MORE THAN ALL OF YOU SO SHUT UP.
No point to this discussion if that's your fallback option. An appeal to authority. |
Appeal to authority fallacy, or just someone who knows a lot about something displaying their expertise? You can be an authority on a subject and biased (in fact, most authorities are) which is my reading of this. [Post edited 21 Jun 2022 17:13]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:18 - Jun 21 with 482 views | DanTheMan |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:11 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
Appeal to authority fallacy, or just someone who knows a lot about something displaying their expertise? You can be an authority on a subject and biased (in fact, most authorities are) which is my reading of this. [Post edited 21 Jun 2022 17:13]
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Yeah, appeal to authority basically means that what they say might hold more weight but without evidence it's still basically just an opinion.
Obviously bias comes into it as you say, you'd expect a lot of say fossil fuel companies to know a lot about climate change (and they did) but their words and actions on the subject would suggest the complete opposite due to obvious biases. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:20 - Jun 21 with 477 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:11 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
Appeal to authority fallacy, or just someone who knows a lot about something displaying their expertise? You can be an authority on a subject and biased (in fact, most authorities are) which is my reading of this. [Post edited 21 Jun 2022 17:13]
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Well no, the difference is in the way you present it. Just look at his mocking OP. People can display their expertise without saying "and because you don't have the same expertise as me your points are invalid," which is what he's done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#:~:text=An%20argument%20fr
An argument from authority... is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument.[1] Some consider that it is used in a cogent form if all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context,[2][3] and others consider it to always be a fallacy to cite the views of an authority on the discussed topic as a means of supporting an argument. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:21 - Jun 21 with 476 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:20 - Jun 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well no, the difference is in the way you present it. Just look at his mocking OP. People can display their expertise without saying "and because you don't have the same expertise as me your points are invalid," which is what he's done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#:~:text=An%20argument%20fr
An argument from authority... is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument.[1] Some consider that it is used in a cogent form if all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context,[2][3] and others consider it to always be a fallacy to cite the views of an authority on the discussed topic as a means of supporting an argument. |
The OP is at odds with most of the rest of the thread, for sure. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:22 - Jun 21 with 467 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:21 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
The OP is at odds with most of the rest of the thread, for sure. |
Indeed, and just because he's in the aviation business doesn't mean he's correct. As Dan's pointed out, his bias is very likely to make him the opposite. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:25 - Jun 21 with 461 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:22 - Jun 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed, and just because he's in the aviation business doesn't mean he's correct. As Dan's pointed out, his bias is very likely to make him the opposite. |
I won't speak for him, but he's in the travel industry rather than the aviation business specifically.
I do feel that the OP was unfortunate as it framed the way certain arguments were later made when in reality there is some fair points in there. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:29 - Jun 21 with 452 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:25 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
I won't speak for him, but he's in the travel industry rather than the aviation business specifically.
I do feel that the OP was unfortunate as it framed the way certain arguments were later made when in reality there is some fair points in there. |
I don't really see the distinction.
Either way he doesn't want planes grounded (or rather, going by other threads as well, he's not a fan of ANY restrictions). | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:31 - Jun 21 with 452 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:29 - Jun 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't really see the distinction.
Either way he doesn't want planes grounded (or rather, going by other threads as well, he's not a fan of ANY restrictions). |
I'll let him answer the last charge, though I know that not to be the case.
Anyway, I'm getting the Eurotunnel in August. Better be slick. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:34 - Jun 21 with 447 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:31 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
I'll let him answer the last charge, though I know that not to be the case.
Anyway, I'm getting the Eurotunnel in August. Better be slick. |
Sorry, what I mean is he's had issues with all the various restrictions, not just travel bans. I'm not saying he advocates no restrictions whatsoever. He may well do but I haven't seen that. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:49 - Jun 21 with 433 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:31 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
I'll let him answer the last charge, though I know that not to be the case.
Anyway, I'm getting the Eurotunnel in August. Better be slick. |
I got it a couple of weeks ago
It's nothing short of amazing how quickly they get you through 2 x passport controls.
Unfortunately I had three birds on my table who covered it with flasks of home made tea and punnets of grapes and then all went to sleep. [Post edited 21 Jun 2022 17:57]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:05 - Jun 21 with 417 views | JakeITFC |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:53 - Jun 21 by clive_baker |
Whizzed through Stansted 4 times in the last month personally. No issues at the other end too. Not denying there are problems, I've seen the pictures and read the stories and I know staffing is a real issue, but it does feel very hit and miss. My personal experience has felt no different to pre Covid. Same with passports, 90% of people are still getting them back within 4 weeks, but of course we never hear about the positive experiences. I wouldn't be deterred from flying. [Post edited 21 Jun 2022 9:55]
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I went through Schiphol yesterday and I would say that was as badly organised travel terminus as I've ever experienced anywhere in the world, pre or post covid (and I have had a lot of bad luck in the past with cancelled flights, train strikes and missed connections). |  | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:27 - Jun 21 with 377 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:49 - Jun 21 by Lord_Lucan |
I got it a couple of weeks ago
It's nothing short of amazing how quickly they get you through 2 x passport controls.
Unfortunately I had three birds on my table who covered it with flasks of home made tea and punnets of grapes and then all went to sleep. [Post edited 21 Jun 2022 17:57]
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EuroTUNNEL, milord. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 20:39 - Jun 21 with 346 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:27 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
EuroTUNNEL, milord. |
Well I didn't go over a bridge Joshy! | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 20:47 - Jun 21 with 340 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 20:39 - Jun 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Well I didn't go over a bridge Joshy! |
Fair point.
Anyway yeah I’m driving to North Italy. Extremely tempted to take up smoking again. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 20:50 - Jun 21 with 333 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:05 - Jun 21 by JakeITFC |
I went through Schiphol yesterday and I would say that was as badly organised travel terminus as I've ever experienced anywhere in the world, pre or post covid (and I have had a lot of bad luck in the past with cancelled flights, train strikes and missed connections). |
It’s a mess and KLM are taking the brunt of it when it’s ground operations more than the airline. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 21:23 - Jun 21 with 317 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:27 - Jun 21 by unbelievablue |
EuroTUNNEL, milord. |
Yeah, same here. Pre-Brexit I always found it relatively quick on the way out and a relative nightmare getting back in through the UK passport controls. I’d image the UK bit will still be bad and now there’ll be more queues on the way out, but we’ll see. Def going to leave more time than normal. |  |
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