| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears 18:15 - Jun 18 with 8778 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I guess everyone cheering on international restrictions for two years while happily working on their laptops to are now going to be all angry when it takes them 5 hours to get their luggage this summer.
Funny how that all works when an industry gets decimated eh. |  | | |  |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:13 - Jun 19 with 1127 views | StokieBlue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 14:03 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Well, if the company you work for fly you to all corners of the globe for the annual Christmas party to be privately entertained by the likes of Duran then yes.
Otherwise, no. |
You're not really helping his case, you're just confirming that his opinions are based on selfish personal circumstances as per my original post.
This isn't the only subject where that is the case either.
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:16 - Jun 19 with 1111 views | XYZ |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:13 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
You're not really helping his case, you're just confirming that his opinions are based on selfish personal circumstances as per my original post.
This isn't the only subject where that is the case either.
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Quite.
Classic accidental stitch up by the look of things. |  | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:49 - Jun 19 with 1071 views | monytowbray |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 12:38 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
On the off chance you are posting a serious post for a change - JJJ is a fairly high roller in the American aviation industry. |
Everything I say on here is serious? If you believe the majority of my opinions and presence here is anything else that’s one hell of a projection hole you’ve dug. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:54 - Jun 19 with 1053 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:13 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
You're not really helping his case, you're just confirming that his opinions are based on selfish personal circumstances as per my original post.
This isn't the only subject where that is the case either.
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No what I am saying is a lot of the restrictions that were ongoing made no sense. I’m certainly not alone in saying that from all kind of different industries.
I’ll give you one example. You couldn’t enter the US/EU as a visitor from but you could if you went to Mexico or another country in say the Caribbean for 14 days first to “wash” the time spent in the UK/EU. Mexico consistently had a higher rate of infection during this ban.
People can pretend all these border closures and general restrictions were working in the west but they weren’t. We had testing long before the bans were stopped. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:06 - Jun 19 with 1033 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 13:15 - Jun 19 by XYZ |
Would've been the decent thing to declare an interest when posting the OP then.
I think SB's got his number. |
Everyone has biases and political opinions, some get attacked for if they are different. A lot of the restrictions weren’t working for a number of reasons and some made no sense at all. The problem with Covid is it was a global challenge being treated differently by individual nations and everyone was always behind the virus. We knew was most at risk, then we had the vaccines, it shouldn’t have gone on for as long as it did and by the end a lot of it was political point scoring.
As usual a bunch of aggressive people come in from behind their laptops that wouldn’t say boo to a goose in a boozer. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:10 - Jun 19 with 1013 views | jaykay |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:06 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Everyone has biases and political opinions, some get attacked for if they are different. A lot of the restrictions weren’t working for a number of reasons and some made no sense at all. The problem with Covid is it was a global challenge being treated differently by individual nations and everyone was always behind the virus. We knew was most at risk, then we had the vaccines, it shouldn’t have gone on for as long as it did and by the end a lot of it was political point scoring.
As usual a bunch of aggressive people come in from behind their laptops that wouldn’t say boo to a goose in a boozer. |
so you aren't behind a laptop then. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:10 - Jun 19 with 1016 views | XYZ |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:06 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Everyone has biases and political opinions, some get attacked for if they are different. A lot of the restrictions weren’t working for a number of reasons and some made no sense at all. The problem with Covid is it was a global challenge being treated differently by individual nations and everyone was always behind the virus. We knew was most at risk, then we had the vaccines, it shouldn’t have gone on for as long as it did and by the end a lot of it was political point scoring.
As usual a bunch of aggressive people come in from behind their laptops that wouldn’t say boo to a goose in a boozer. |
It's about being straightforward as to where you're coming from.
You weren't.
You have a good moan about those that don't agree with you, whilst conflating public health measures with your undisclosed personal financial interests.
The lawyers have a phrase - "clean hands" - on this subject, yours are not so. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:13 - Jun 19 with 1012 views | Dubtractor |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:06 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Everyone has biases and political opinions, some get attacked for if they are different. A lot of the restrictions weren’t working for a number of reasons and some made no sense at all. The problem with Covid is it was a global challenge being treated differently by individual nations and everyone was always behind the virus. We knew was most at risk, then we had the vaccines, it shouldn’t have gone on for as long as it did and by the end a lot of it was political point scoring.
As usual a bunch of aggressive people come in from behind their laptops that wouldn’t say boo to a goose in a boozer. |
I've got no horse in this race, but whereas your last 2 posts are fairly balanced and put in some basis for your thoughts (whether people agree or otherwise), your OP was a bit obviously confrontational and spoiling for exactly the reaction you got. So not too surprising that you got the reaction you did really is it? |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:15 - Jun 19 with 1007 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 12:38 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
On the off chance you are posting a serious post for a change - JJJ is a fairly high roller in the American aviation industry. |
Luckily the US was back to 1M+ going through TSA daily in spring 2021, while it was still Illegal to leave the country in the UK!
Unfortunately a lot of the damage has been done in the market from a contracting perspective - at least for the next five years everyone will be licking their wounds for a while yet.
Apparently if you dare to question restrictions you had no empathy and wanted to let it rip. It’s not true, it’s just a lot of these made no sense whatsoever. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:18 - Jun 19 with 991 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:06 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Everyone has biases and political opinions, some get attacked for if they are different. A lot of the restrictions weren’t working for a number of reasons and some made no sense at all. The problem with Covid is it was a global challenge being treated differently by individual nations and everyone was always behind the virus. We knew was most at risk, then we had the vaccines, it shouldn’t have gone on for as long as it did and by the end a lot of it was political point scoring.
As usual a bunch of aggressive people come in from behind their laptops that wouldn’t say boo to a goose in a boozer. |
I'd be surprised to see a goose in a boozer, not sure I'd say "boo" to it though. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:21 - Jun 19 with 982 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:10 - Jun 19 by jaykay |
so you aren't behind a laptop then. |
I’m not calling people names like monumental fcckhead, Alex Jones tribute act or the likes. Also no I’m on my iPhone. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:34 - Jun 19 with 952 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:13 - Jun 19 by Dubtractor |
I've got no horse in this race, but whereas your last 2 posts are fairly balanced and put in some basis for your thoughts (whether people agree or otherwise), your OP was a bit obviously confrontational and spoiling for exactly the reaction you got. So not too surprising that you got the reaction you did really is it? |
As I said it was a bit tongue in cheek. However. if you look at social media now some people have decided Covid is over for them they expect it all to instantly work! Which is a bit entitled giving what’s happened the last few years and what many supported.
I think people saw it as some kind of foreigner invader even though the genie had been out of the bottle for a long time. Once there was community spread a new variant could occur anywhere and it was always going to move around. Delta was from India at the time the UK had mandatory testing and a quarantine until negative, it didn’t stop because there is no 100% way of stopping it.
France banned the UK again last Christmas because of high rates of Omicron, a few days later they had higher rates. A lot of politics in it wasn’t there. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:00 - Jun 19 with 917 views | Trequartista |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:49 - Jun 19 by monytowbray |
Everything I say on here is serious? If you believe the majority of my opinions and presence here is anything else that’s one hell of a projection hole you’ve dug. |
"projection hole". I do, genuinely, enjoy your posts whether i agree or not. I don't think i've ever clicked on one and been bored. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:29 - Jun 19 with 843 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:34 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
As I said it was a bit tongue in cheek. However. if you look at social media now some people have decided Covid is over for them they expect it all to instantly work! Which is a bit entitled giving what’s happened the last few years and what many supported.
I think people saw it as some kind of foreigner invader even though the genie had been out of the bottle for a long time. Once there was community spread a new variant could occur anywhere and it was always going to move around. Delta was from India at the time the UK had mandatory testing and a quarantine until negative, it didn’t stop because there is no 100% way of stopping it.
France banned the UK again last Christmas because of high rates of Omicron, a few days later they had higher rates. A lot of politics in it wasn’t there. |
"However. if you look at social media now some people have decided Covid is over for them they expect it all to instantly work!"
True - but those people have probably always been in the "Everyone's overreacting to Covid" group.
"Which is a bit entitled giving what’s happened the last few years and what many supported."
I think you are conflating two different groups of people here just to support your argument.... |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:30 - Jun 19 with 861 views | unbelievablue |
I'll keep my response friendly, unlike some others, who seem to have got a bit personal - there's never any need for that on here.
I've no particular skin in this game. I do broadly agree that some restrictions, later down the line, seemed a bit pointless, especially those around international travel - it was all rather arbitrary. Even recently, when I went abroad, there was paperwork which really didn't seem necessary (and no-one checked it). But back in the heyday of the Pandemic it seemed the right thing to do and I'd argue that although mistakes were made, all along the way, the right intent was there.
The cost of the pandemic shouldn't just be measured in lives lost, but I'd rather look at that than the P&L sheet of a corporation or industry. Job losses are terrible, don't get me wrong, but when the gravy train is disrupted, adapt or die. That's free market capitalism, no? Markets are influenced by all kinds of outside factors and change. In this case, a pandemic shifted the office/home-working paradigm drastically. That some people want to work from home more, and travel less, is a very interesting trend off the back of Covid-19. It's not for me (I like going in a few days a week) but if some people want to do it, all power to them. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 17:33]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:36 - Jun 19 with 831 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:48 - Jun 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It was said slightly tongue in cheek because social media is awash with people moaning about their current airport experience, which just shows how stupid people are thinking they can go about their business as normal after the last two years.
Why have you given up flying? Environmental reasons or the virus? You’re less likely to get it on the plane that most other places you find people are close quarters.
Also re:Brexit - AMS/DUB are the two worst performing at the moment. [Post edited 18 Jun 2022 18:58]
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Fair enough, hard to read sarcasm/tongue in cheek stuff in here sometimes.
Both me and the Mrs have environmental science backgrounds and have worked on climate change research (her) and practical mitigation of risks (me). She’s still at it and also does a lot of media work and teaching (she’s an academic) and has also presented a couple of series on S4C about people’s stories of how climate change is affecting their lives and what they’re doing to combat the effects. She’s driving this really, but ‘we’ have decided it would be incredibly hypocritical to fly while also teaching people about the contribution of aviation to greenhouse gas emissions.
It’s been a bit of a positive in ways I didn’t expect. I love my overseas trips and used to work pretty much all over the world, using all sorts of air travel from commercial flights to chartering helicopters, small planes and even getting various airforces to give us lifts sometimes. We’ve discovered inter-railing now though and had a couple of superb trips by train. Next year will be the real test though as there’s a major conference coming up in New Zealand. NZ is top of my bucket list and I suspect she’ll want to play a role in the conference. Principles may go out of the window for that. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:45 - Jun 19 with 813 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:10 - Jun 19 by XYZ |
It's about being straightforward as to where you're coming from.
You weren't.
You have a good moan about those that don't agree with you, whilst conflating public health measures with your undisclosed personal financial interests.
The lawyers have a phrase - "clean hands" - on this subject, yours are not so. |
It really wasn’t just my career.
Was I heavily finically impacted? - Yes.
Would I have agreed with the ongoing restrictions throughout last year anyway? - No.
After we had the vaccines rolled out I never agreed with heavy government intervention and lockdowns, especially when it impacted peoples mental/physical and economic well being so drastically. People that had little chance of having many serious issues with infection shouldn’t have faced such stringent measures for such a long time IMO. As more information came out I guess put me in the individual responsibility camp. Putting myself in less social settings and testing leading up to seeing elderly loved ones that kind of thing.
It’s also why I choose to live somewhere where I wasn’t impacted in 2021 locally, as many others did. Everyone has had different experiences through this thing and losing loved ones that can’t be replaced was dreadful for so many people. However, disagreeing with policy (that was so vastly different globally I might add) doesn’t make you unsympathetic as people have suggested. It really is a bit all or nothing with the masses on here. The could be a valid argument that many with alternative viewpoints were also rather selfish on quite a few levels.
People were telling me on here in just in the the last few months that hospitals are overrun again and Covid is still so dangerous (which as I pointed out wasn’t particularly true with this current variant) but everyone is over it now I guess! Or making their own choices, like others were calling for previously. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:54 - Jun 19 with 801 views | eireblue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 16:06 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Everyone has biases and political opinions, some get attacked for if they are different. A lot of the restrictions weren’t working for a number of reasons and some made no sense at all. The problem with Covid is it was a global challenge being treated differently by individual nations and everyone was always behind the virus. We knew was most at risk, then we had the vaccines, it shouldn’t have gone on for as long as it did and by the end a lot of it was political point scoring.
As usual a bunch of aggressive people come in from behind their laptops that wouldn’t say boo to a goose in a boozer. |
I have said boo to goose, but outdoors, and I was with some people, to be fair, there were a few geese as well, it wasn’t just the one. But I use an iPad, so I guess none of that counts. |  | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:08 - Jun 19 with 778 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:30 - Jun 19 by unbelievablue |
I'll keep my response friendly, unlike some others, who seem to have got a bit personal - there's never any need for that on here.
I've no particular skin in this game. I do broadly agree that some restrictions, later down the line, seemed a bit pointless, especially those around international travel - it was all rather arbitrary. Even recently, when I went abroad, there was paperwork which really didn't seem necessary (and no-one checked it). But back in the heyday of the Pandemic it seemed the right thing to do and I'd argue that although mistakes were made, all along the way, the right intent was there.
The cost of the pandemic shouldn't just be measured in lives lost, but I'd rather look at that than the P&L sheet of a corporation or industry. Job losses are terrible, don't get me wrong, but when the gravy train is disrupted, adapt or die. That's free market capitalism, no? Markets are influenced by all kinds of outside factors and change. In this case, a pandemic shifted the office/home-working paradigm drastically. That some people want to work from home more, and travel less, is a very interesting trend off the back of Covid-19. It's not for me (I like going in a few days a week) but if some people want to do it, all power to them. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 17:33]
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While I agree preserving life should of course be the ultimate goal especially during a (hopefully) once in a generational event, I’d also put forward that the vast majority of people dying were of a retirement age. So the need should have been to protect these people at all costs, unfortunately that didn’t happen through complete mismanagement of nursing homes etc. Still as the pandemic progressed there seemed to be an idea of trying to achieve zero Covid when it was fairly clear after a 8-10 months or so that was never going to happen.
To be clear I wasn’t talking about the early stages of this thing when everyone was learning so much and we were losing so many people (ironically that is exactly when the government in the UK didn’t do anything anyway). I was referencing the ongoing nature of global travel restrictions and in some countries (local lockdowns) which was achieving very little and made no really common sense, see my Mexico example for US visitors. The cross Atlantic air corridor is the most important in the world to the aviation industry and it was basically shut even after testing, even after vaccines. So the idea of having the right intent can have vast consequences for many many people.
The adapt or die doesn’t necessarily work out for senior staff who have mortgages, rents and bills to pay, many of whom had to survive on government money, which was about 10% of their previous wages. Kind of hard to just replace that in a new job, during a pandemic. So yes those people are going to question policy. Nor does it help the family run restaurant that has been around for generations that couldn’t open at full capacity post vaccines in many markets. Anyway what’s done is done, hopefully some lessons have been learned from all sides.
I guess I was one of the lucky ones who had savings to fall back on. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 18:16]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:16 - Jun 19 with 755 views | monytowbray |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:08 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
While I agree preserving life should of course be the ultimate goal especially during a (hopefully) once in a generational event, I’d also put forward that the vast majority of people dying were of a retirement age. So the need should have been to protect these people at all costs, unfortunately that didn’t happen through complete mismanagement of nursing homes etc. Still as the pandemic progressed there seemed to be an idea of trying to achieve zero Covid when it was fairly clear after a 8-10 months or so that was never going to happen.
To be clear I wasn’t talking about the early stages of this thing when everyone was learning so much and we were losing so many people (ironically that is exactly when the government in the UK didn’t do anything anyway). I was referencing the ongoing nature of global travel restrictions and in some countries (local lockdowns) which was achieving very little and made no really common sense, see my Mexico example for US visitors. The cross Atlantic air corridor is the most important in the world to the aviation industry and it was basically shut even after testing, even after vaccines. So the idea of having the right intent can have vast consequences for many many people.
The adapt or die doesn’t necessarily work out for senior staff who have mortgages, rents and bills to pay, many of whom had to survive on government money, which was about 10% of their previous wages. Kind of hard to just replace that in a new job, during a pandemic. So yes those people are going to question policy. Nor does it help the family run restaurant that has been around for generations that couldn’t open at full capacity post vaccines in many markets. Anyway what’s done is done, hopefully some lessons have been learned from all sides.
I guess I was one of the lucky ones who had savings to fall back on. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 18:16]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:17 - Jun 19 with 752 views | eireblue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:08 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
While I agree preserving life should of course be the ultimate goal especially during a (hopefully) once in a generational event, I’d also put forward that the vast majority of people dying were of a retirement age. So the need should have been to protect these people at all costs, unfortunately that didn’t happen through complete mismanagement of nursing homes etc. Still as the pandemic progressed there seemed to be an idea of trying to achieve zero Covid when it was fairly clear after a 8-10 months or so that was never going to happen.
To be clear I wasn’t talking about the early stages of this thing when everyone was learning so much and we were losing so many people (ironically that is exactly when the government in the UK didn’t do anything anyway). I was referencing the ongoing nature of global travel restrictions and in some countries (local lockdowns) which was achieving very little and made no really common sense, see my Mexico example for US visitors. The cross Atlantic air corridor is the most important in the world to the aviation industry and it was basically shut even after testing, even after vaccines. So the idea of having the right intent can have vast consequences for many many people.
The adapt or die doesn’t necessarily work out for senior staff who have mortgages, rents and bills to pay, many of whom had to survive on government money, which was about 10% of their previous wages. Kind of hard to just replace that in a new job, during a pandemic. So yes those people are going to question policy. Nor does it help the family run restaurant that has been around for generations that couldn’t open at full capacity post vaccines in many markets. Anyway what’s done is done, hopefully some lessons have been learned from all sides.
I guess I was one of the lucky ones who had savings to fall back on. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 18:16]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-COVID
I am not sure many of the countries attempting a zero Covid strategy had much impact on trans-Atlantic travel.
Is the traffic between Canada and Scotland that large a percentage? | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:21 - Jun 19 with 741 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:17 - Jun 19 by eireblue |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-COVID
I am not sure many of the countries attempting a zero Covid strategy had much impact on trans-Atlantic travel.
Is the traffic between Canada and Scotland that large a percentage? |
I was talking about at the start of the pandemic and then the subsequent reluctance of UK Gov and Biden administration to end the ban long after testing and vaccines had been around. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:22 - Jun 19 with 733 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:16 - Jun 19 by monytowbray |
Okay Qanon. |
You’re the vegan guy that calls OAPs cvunts aren’t you? | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:22 - Jun 19 with 731 views | eireblue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:21 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I was talking about at the start of the pandemic and then the subsequent reluctance of UK Gov and Biden administration to end the ban long after testing and vaccines had been around. |
So not zero Covid then? | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:25 - Jun 19 with 730 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:22 - Jun 19 by eireblue |
So not zero Covid then? |
My point was that was the initial mindset and when it was clear it was unattainable they seemed to hold onto parts of it for far too long.
Also Canadian policy did have a major impact yes. | | | |
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