| Ever Get the Feeling You've Been Cheated? 12:09 - Jul 7 with 7479 views | GlasgowBlue |
He’s fooled us all again hasn’t he? |  |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:44 - Jul 8 with 638 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:39 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Bad faith is a powerful tool in politics and the media.
Doesn’t excuse it though. |
Swervetastic. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:46 - Jul 8 with 628 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:42 - Jul 8 by leitrimblue |
So your in the camp that believes that the esteemed barrister Keir Starmer is just turning a blind eye to Corbyns blatant racism for the good of the party? |
Where have I said that?
How about addressing the points made in the three links? Maybe you know better than the former Jewish Labour MP, left wing British Asian journalist and Lifelong LBGT and human rights campaigner? [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 15:48]
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:50 - Jul 8 with 602 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:40 - Jul 8 by giant_stow |
Not necessarily - he may not have *enough* proof. Or not enough proof which could be admissible in a legal setting, but utterly convincing as a private citizen, for example. |
Pathetic and weasely response.
The party guidelines are clear and they could remove him if he’s deemed to have broken them. But it doesn’t stand up on even those grounds, let alone some legal prosecution.
This is much of what Corbyn was talking about – antisemitism that has been exaggerated for political effect. But when you actually look into it, a lot of it didn’t even exist.
None of which means there isn’t or wasn’t antisemitism in the Labour Party and its membership. That of course can’t be tolerated and those individuals were rightly expelled. Hopefully prosecuted in some cases. |  |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:50 - Jul 8 with 609 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:14 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Re: Israel, I am always told that criticizing Israel, especially as it’s one of our strategic partners alongside the even worse Saudi Arabia, is not antisemitic.
In the same way that criticising the similarly apartheid South Africa wasn’t anti-white.
But of course what I wrote there has me in the Israel apologists’ sights quicker than you can call them a bunch of fake anti-racists. |
It’s now into my working day so will be signing off but if that’s what you took from my post then it shows your bias doesn’t it. Anyone of course can have a discussion about INT relations and policy but why should people be asked to defend a state thousands of miles away because of their race/religion?
It’s subtle anti semitism born out of an anti Israel stance. Corbyn obviously hasn’t been shy in his criticism of Israel and was the LEADER of a party that weren’t investigating complaints of anti semitism. He was presiding over that culture of the party.
Doesn’t anyone do any work around here btw? ;) |  | | |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:55 - Jul 8 with 586 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:44 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Swervetastic. |
Not at all. That’s tackling it head on.
Do you know what Streeting called the two pro-Israel extremists? He called them “Rude yobs”.
I expect the Board of Deputies to demand an apology for the clear disparaging reference to the British Jewish community. Or was Wes speaking about them as two rude yobbish individuals? | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:58 - Jul 8 with 588 views | giant_stow |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:50 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Pathetic and weasely response.
The party guidelines are clear and they could remove him if he’s deemed to have broken them. But it doesn’t stand up on even those grounds, let alone some legal prosecution.
This is much of what Corbyn was talking about – antisemitism that has been exaggerated for political effect. But when you actually look into it, a lot of it didn’t even exist.
None of which means there isn’t or wasn’t antisemitism in the Labour Party and its membership. That of course can’t be tolerated and those individuals were rightly expelled. Hopefully prosecuted in some cases. |
Why do you always have to go down the insulting route Darth? Apart from anything, to me, it speaks of the lack of belief in what you're saying. It's ok - i take you seriously.
Shades of grey are everywhere mr. |  |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:02 - Jul 8 with 578 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:34 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Othering two British Jews is pretty racist in my opinion.
“clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either … So I think they needed two lessons, which we can perhaps help them with.”
Imagine saying that about members of any other BAME community?
Bloody right wing Tories smearing Corbyn again |
Here we go again. Grab the popcorn folks.
There is absolutely nothing antisemitic in that quote. Unless you're looking really really hard for it. |  |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:02 - Jul 8 with 576 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:55 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Not at all. That’s tackling it head on.
Do you know what Streeting called the two pro-Israel extremists? He called them “Rude yobs”.
I expect the Board of Deputies to demand an apology for the clear disparaging reference to the British Jewish community. Or was Wes speaking about them as two rude yobbish individuals? |
They may well be rude yobs. That doesn't excuse attacking them for their ethnicity. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:03 - Jul 8 with 574 views | leitrimblue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:46 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Where have I said that?
How about addressing the points made in the three links? Maybe you know better than the former Jewish Labour MP, left wing British Asian journalist and Lifelong LBGT and human rights campaigner? [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 15:48]
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You have made it quite clear you believe Corbyn to be a racist. If Starmar feels the same way then that would suggest that he is turning a blind eye to this racism in his party would it not? |  | | |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:05 - Jul 8 with 556 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:02 - Jul 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Here we go again. Grab the popcorn folks.
There is absolutely nothing antisemitic in that quote. Unless you're looking really really hard for it. |
Hang on. If they were two British Muslims or members of the Afro Caribbean community and somebody said to them “clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either … So I think they needed two lessons, which we can perhaps help them with.”, you wouldn't think that was racist? | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:05 - Jul 8 with 548 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:50 - Jul 8 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It’s now into my working day so will be signing off but if that’s what you took from my post then it shows your bias doesn’t it. Anyone of course can have a discussion about INT relations and policy but why should people be asked to defend a state thousands of miles away because of their race/religion?
It’s subtle anti semitism born out of an anti Israel stance. Corbyn obviously hasn’t been shy in his criticism of Israel and was the LEADER of a party that weren’t investigating complaints of anti semitism. He was presiding over that culture of the party.
Doesn’t anyone do any work around here btw? ;) |
That was a reply to unbelievablue.
Your Jewish friends don’t have to account for Israel’s actions – just like my Jewish friends don’t.
The problem is that this has been going on for over 50 years (in the West anyway) and we’ve been turning a blind eye to the Palestinians. That doesn’t justify Jewish people being button-holed about something they may even be firmly against. But it’s understandable it happens given the long history of the Israel/Palestine situation and our long history of doing nothing but ultimately supporting the oppressor. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:06 - Jul 8 with 549 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:03 - Jul 8 by leitrimblue |
You have made it quite clear you believe Corbyn to be a racist. If Starmar feels the same way then that would suggest that he is turning a blind eye to this racism in his party would it not? |
Are you going to address the points made by the former Jewish Labour MP, left wing British Asian journalist and Lifelong LBGT and human rights campaigner or are you going to continue to ask me to read the mind of the current Labour leader? [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 16:08]
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:10 - Jul 8 with 532 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:40 - Jul 8 by giant_stow |
Not necessarily - he may not have *enough* proof. Or not enough proof which could be admissible in a legal setting, but utterly convincing as a private citizen, for example. |
You seem to be jumping through hoops here. If there's no objective proof there's no objective proof. Why be so desperate to find a citizen who might be 'convinced,' regardless of truth? It's easier to just go with the obvious, that he's not actually a racist. Occam's razor.
There's plenty of years of evidence, as others have said, of him doing things for minorities as opposed to attacking them. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:12 - Jul 8 with 522 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:02 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
They may well be rude yobs. That doesn't excuse attacking them for their ethnicity. |
Who attacked them for their ethnicity?
You have to remove the context completely and invent a new one for that. Corbyn was complimenting the Palestinian speaker on his speech in English that was interrupted by these rude yobs. Corbyn made the point that they didn’t get the irony the Palestinian used in his presumably second or even third language.
So what was the attack on their ethnicity? And you know he never called them “British Jews” so stop slipping that in there all the time. He called them zionists which is what they are – and more unhinged, unpleasant and extreme zionists you couldn’t hope to find.
One of them is even trying to claim Corbyn slandered him personally! 😀 | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:12 - Jul 8 with 526 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:42 - Jul 8 by leitrimblue |
So your in the camp that believes that the esteemed barrister Keir Starmer is just turning a blind eye to Corbyns blatant racism for the good of the party? |
No, even though Starmer is an ex esteemed barrister, devious Corbyn is just too slippery for Starmer to pin down legally. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:14 - Jul 8 with 521 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:58 - Jul 8 by giant_stow |
Why do you always have to go down the insulting route Darth? Apart from anything, to me, it speaks of the lack of belief in what you're saying. It's ok - i take you seriously.
Shades of grey are everywhere mr. |
Insulting? | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:14 - Jul 8 with 521 views | leitrimblue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:06 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you going to address the points made by the former Jewish Labour MP, left wing British Asian journalist and Lifelong LBGT and human rights campaigner or are you going to continue to ask me to read the mind of the current Labour leader? [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 16:08]
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I'm just gonna take that as ' no Leitrim, the esteemed barrister Starmer obviously as no legal proof of any kinda racism on Corbyns behalf or he would have kicked him out of the party'. Will try an have a longer look at your links later when less busy. Hope it's not yer mate Guido again... | | | |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:17 - Jul 8 with 509 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:06 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you going to address the points made by the former Jewish Labour MP, left wing British Asian journalist and Lifelong LBGT and human rights campaigner or are you going to continue to ask me to read the mind of the current Labour leader? [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 16:08]
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Leitrim is presumably waiting for the same thing as me.
For you to back up your multiple allegations that Corbyn was a racist. So either Starmer kicks him out of the party or you need to be complaining about Starmer’s handling of antisemitism. Instead we get zip, zero, zilch.
I thought Starmer, you and the others were all about zero tolerance. Today’s postings have been an eye-opener ... | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:18 - Jul 8 with 509 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:12 - Jul 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, even though Starmer is an ex esteemed barrister, devious Corbyn is just too slippery for Starmer to pin down legally. |
Sad to see that even after the EHRC report and Starmer kicking Corbyn out of the Parliament Labour Party, you are still prepared to excuse and dismiss racism.
I’ll leave you to it. The weekend starts here. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:21 - Jul 8 with 504 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:05 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Hang on. If they were two British Muslims or members of the Afro Caribbean community and somebody said to them “clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either … So I think they needed two lessons, which we can perhaps help them with.”, you wouldn't think that was racist? |
Why do you keep trying to bring Muslims or Afro Caribbeans into it?!
By that logic you could quite easily say "What if they were two British white caucasians of no particular religion and he said 'having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony'" - where would there be anything offensive then?! | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:24 - Jul 8 with 496 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 15:58 - Jul 8 by giant_stow |
Why do you always have to go down the insulting route Darth? Apart from anything, to me, it speaks of the lack of belief in what you're saying. It's ok - i take you seriously.
Shades of grey are everywhere mr. |
Well, you should take it as a sign of how little I take your views seriously.
You’ve already sh@t the bed on this thread by basically confessing that you think antisemitism can and even should be swept under the rug if it’s expedient. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:26 - Jul 8 with 491 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:18 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Sad to see that even after the EHRC report and Starmer kicking Corbyn out of the Parliament Labour Party, you are still prepared to excuse and dismiss racism.
I’ll leave you to it. The weekend starts here. |
I don't excuse or dismiss it where I have actual proof of it.
If I see there's no proof, in a person who has been the absolute opposite of a racist all his professional life, then I tend to think he's probably not a racist. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:34 - Jul 8 with 470 views | giant_stow |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:24 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Well, you should take it as a sign of how little I take your views seriously.
You’ve already sh@t the bed on this thread by basically confessing that you think antisemitism can and even should be swept under the rug if it’s expedient. |
Gawd, this is desperate stuff. Putting words in my mouth too now, from mr 'you're being disingenuous'?! Hypocrite! | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:43 - Jul 8 with 450 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:21 - Jul 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why do you keep trying to bring Muslims or Afro Caribbeans into it?!
By that logic you could quite easily say "What if they were two British white caucasians of no particular religion and he said 'having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony'" - where would there be anything offensive then?! |
I said I was out but this is so fcukwitted I'm going to post this, from a left wing British Jew. Not my words. But if you really don't understand why it's racist aiming those comments at members of a BAME community as opposed to "British white caucasians of no particular religion" then you are a lost cause.
"It’s the introducing of “English” and “lived in this country a very long time” that is troubling: as if they, these “others”, don’t really belong, don’t get Englishness, like there’s us and them. Whoever JC meant to target, he othered them, designated them as alien."
"If you say they - whoever they are - don’t understand *English* irony, as opposed to just irony, you’re saying they are not fully English. “They” are not like “us”. It’s othering. Why include the “English”?
"Only if this group were from abroad would it make sense if they didn’t get something English. But “they’ve lived in this country a very long time, some of them all their lives” makes it clear they’re from here but they’ll never quite belong. Us and them, I’m afraid".
You can have the last word on the internet if you want. I'm done for the day. | |
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| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:46 - Jul 8 with 441 views | Darth_Koont |
| I actually reckon he might be a good PM..... on 16:34 - Jul 8 by giant_stow |
Gawd, this is desperate stuff. Putting words in my mouth too now, from mr 'you're being disingenuous'?! Hypocrite! |
Here are your very own words:
“"Why hasn’t Corbyn been thrown out of the Labour Party"
I'll have a crack at this: because if he was, the labour left would sh1t a brick and go to war with the right. ...Just when we need a bit of unity to get rid of the worse government of all time. Pragmatism again - I know you hate it, but it's the only way out.”
So pragmatism is more important than dealing with antisemitism? Or electoral success is more important than dealing with antisemitism? What are you saying here? I’ll give you another chance to explain your post even if I don’t think you deserve it. | |
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