| No fines for Starmer 12:36 - Jul 8 with 3591 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:38 - Jul 8 with 1923 views | Steve_M |
But Squawkbox said..... |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:39 - Jul 8 with 1913 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Good stuff - he can continue his good work in making Labour a party that can win elections. |  | | |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:39 - Jul 8 with 1906 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Of course not. It was just desperate deflection by the Tories. |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:44 - Jul 8 with 1866 views | EastTownBlue |
Given the DM front page today, Verity/Dacre will lose their sh!t over this. | | | |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:46 - Jul 8 with 1863 views | Steve_M |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:39 - Jul 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Of course not. It was just desperate deflection by the Tories. |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:47 - Jul 8 with 1836 views | lowhouseblue |
hurrah. i'll admit to having had a bad feeling about how that was going to play out. |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:49 - Jul 8 with 1801 views | LeoMuff |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:39 - Jul 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Of course not. It was just desperate deflection by the Tories. |
But sadly some of that mud stuck, only yesterday had a colleague saying they are all the same, Starmer was drinking beer too…
Frustrating, but when most of the popular press is in your back pocket you always have this option. |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:58 - Jul 8 with 1733 views | GlasgowBlue |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:39 - Jul 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Of course not. It was just desperate deflection by the Tories. |
Most of it came from embittered Corbynites actually. They are now having a meltdown on twitter after saying all week that he had been fined but taken out a super injunction. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 12:59 - Jul 8 with 1714 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:49 - Jul 8 by LeoMuff |
But sadly some of that mud stuck, only yesterday had a colleague saying they are all the same, Starmer was drinking beer too…
Frustrating, but when most of the popular press is in your back pocket you always have this option. |
The right wing love a smear. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:06 - Jul 8 with 1619 views | GlasgowBlue |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:38 - Jul 8 by Steve_M |
But Squawkbox said..... |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:06 - Jul 8 with 1615 views | ElderGrizzly |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:58 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Most of it came from embittered Corbynites actually. They are now having a meltdown on twitter after saying all week that he had been fined but taken out a super injunction. |
It is utterly bizarre how much they don’t want a Labour Govt and would rather the Tories stayed in via their hijacking of Starmer at every opportunity |  | | |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:09 - Jul 8 with 1593 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:58 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Most of it came from embittered Corbynites actually. They are now having a meltdown on twitter after saying all week that he had been fined but taken out a super injunction. |
Most? Come off it. It's a few nutters. This was mostly another right wing/Tory smear, and a pathetically hypocritical one at that. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:12 - Jul 8 with 1572 views | unbelievablue |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:06 - Jul 8 by ElderGrizzly |
It is utterly bizarre how much they don’t want a Labour Govt and would rather the Tories stayed in via their hijacking of Starmer at every opportunity |
A friend of mine is in that camp. He can't differentiate between Starmer's Labour and the Conservative Party, which to me seems disingenuous at best.
It is my view that a primary failure of many Socialists the world over is the inability to, if not quite embrace pragmatism or expediency, at least consider that there is a spectrum upon which political movements lie, and that some scenarios are worse than others. Of course that requires nuance and a willingness to accept that you might be fecked. |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:20 - Jul 8 with 1511 views | wkj |
There was chit chat on the Express comment sections about how Starmer and Rayner were cautioned, but not fined and starmer had used his contacts to supress the verdict with Durham council. Sadly, this will be the truth for some as we continue down the road of armchair back benching. |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:32 - Jul 8 with 1439 views | Darth_Koont |
| No fines for Starmer on 12:58 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Most of it came from embittered Corbynites actually. They are now having a meltdown on twitter after saying all week that he had been fined but taken out a super injunction. |
Utter nonsense.
That Skwawkbox tweet is doing more heavy lifting for you than a forklift.
Anyone remotely serious on the left called it out as a desperate smeary attempt to deflect from Johnson.
Yes, there are people on the left who wanted Starmer to be tripped up here. I’d have had a wry smile because even though I’d much rather Starmer was tripped up for his lying, empty and pretty hopeless vision, there would have been some poetic justice re: going down over a smear campaign. But the substance of the allegation prompting the investigation was weak right from the start. Savilesque in fact. And nothing even close to the Tory abuse of Covid restrictions. |  |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:37 - Jul 8 with 1368 views | GlasgowBlue |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:32 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
Utter nonsense.
That Skwawkbox tweet is doing more heavy lifting for you than a forklift.
Anyone remotely serious on the left called it out as a desperate smeary attempt to deflect from Johnson.
Yes, there are people on the left who wanted Starmer to be tripped up here. I’d have had a wry smile because even though I’d much rather Starmer was tripped up for his lying, empty and pretty hopeless vision, there would have been some poetic justice re: going down over a smear campaign. But the substance of the allegation prompting the investigation was weak right from the start. Savilesque in fact. And nothing even close to the Tory abuse of Covid restrictions. |
One of Corbyn's biggest twitter foot soldiers
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:40 - Jul 8 with 1352 views | SaigonTractor |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:12 - Jul 8 by unbelievablue |
A friend of mine is in that camp. He can't differentiate between Starmer's Labour and the Conservative Party, which to me seems disingenuous at best.
It is my view that a primary failure of many Socialists the world over is the inability to, if not quite embrace pragmatism or expediency, at least consider that there is a spectrum upon which political movements lie, and that some scenarios are worse than others. Of course that requires nuance and a willingness to accept that you might be fecked. |
You could say the exact same thing about the Labour centre/right that kneecapped Corbyn at every opportunity. |  | | |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:40 - Jul 8 with 1349 views | Darth_Koont |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:12 - Jul 8 by unbelievablue |
A friend of mine is in that camp. He can't differentiate between Starmer's Labour and the Conservative Party, which to me seems disingenuous at best.
It is my view that a primary failure of many Socialists the world over is the inability to, if not quite embrace pragmatism or expediency, at least consider that there is a spectrum upon which political movements lie, and that some scenarios are worse than others. Of course that requires nuance and a willingness to accept that you might be fecked. |
I can’t speak for your friend but I don’t differentiate from Starmer’s Labour and the Conservative Party in any serious way.
They are two centre-right, neoliberal, self-interested and relatively authoritarian offerings, and neither seem to be addressing the underlying issues or future challenges in our society and economy.
Bring the actual nuance of what policies would help the people of the UK – now and in the future – and then I think we’d see a different debate and the major parties having to respond rather than say they’re the only game in town so suck it!
Moving from sh1t government to sh1t government doesn’t sound like much of a plan. And just cements the difficulties the UK is facing. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:45 - Jul 8 with 1323 views | unbelievablue |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:40 - Jul 8 by SaigonTractor |
You could say the exact same thing about the Labour centre/right that kneecapped Corbyn at every opportunity. |
That is true, yes. Infighting isn't a pragmatic way forward, although I do understand why it happens. But those spending more time wilfully destroying those adjacent to their politics rather than broadly uniting against a common 'enemy'? Pretty damn frustrating. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:49 - Jul 8 with 1305 views | HARRY10 |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:12 - Jul 8 by unbelievablue |
A friend of mine is in that camp. He can't differentiate between Starmer's Labour and the Conservative Party, which to me seems disingenuous at best.
It is my view that a primary failure of many Socialists the world over is the inability to, if not quite embrace pragmatism or expediency, at least consider that there is a spectrum upon which political movements lie, and that some scenarios are worse than others. Of course that requires nuance and a willingness to accept that you might be fecked. |
That is the problems with 'Trots' - most on the left agree with the analysis of what is wrong, what is the cause etc - but disagree what is to be done.
Where I disagree with those of Momentum, SWP, IS Or what ever they call themselves is that their's is a very dishonest position - as it comes from the view that the working class cannot achieve mass class consciousness and so need to be lead
That is done by those in momentum getting behind every struggle so as to demonstrate that reform is always doomed to eventual failure - which will then lead ..........to, err .... revolution
Not only is this flawed as history has shown, but inevitably leads to newbies becoming disenchanted, and moving away from politics.
Their entryist tactic is now been aped by the ERG (and fellow travellers), and highlights one of the blindingly obvious flaws in the guff that is PR. Factions will inevitably seek to gain control of a larger party rather than promote their minority view.
I have lost count of the number of times I have been told that it is 'tactics, comrade' when challenging these liars. It is now much the same in the right where the defence of far right views are defended by the claims of getting back to 'core Tory values'.
'twas ever thus, I'm afraid | | | |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:50 - Jul 8 with 1299 views | Darth_Koont |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:37 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
One of Corbyn's biggest twitter foot soldiers
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See above. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:51 - Jul 8 with 1293 views | unbelievablue |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:40 - Jul 8 by Darth_Koont |
I can’t speak for your friend but I don’t differentiate from Starmer’s Labour and the Conservative Party in any serious way.
They are two centre-right, neoliberal, self-interested and relatively authoritarian offerings, and neither seem to be addressing the underlying issues or future challenges in our society and economy.
Bring the actual nuance of what policies would help the people of the UK – now and in the future – and then I think we’d see a different debate and the major parties having to respond rather than say they’re the only game in town so suck it!
Moving from sh1t government to sh1t government doesn’t sound like much of a plan. And just cements the difficulties the UK is facing. |
What is the practical way forward in your situation?
Reject our mainstream political system entirely because there's no hope of a truly progressive left-wing government? Seems fair on the face of it, but also somewhat of an admission of having given up. | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 13:55 - Jul 8 with 1277 views | unbelievablue |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:49 - Jul 8 by HARRY10 |
That is the problems with 'Trots' - most on the left agree with the analysis of what is wrong, what is the cause etc - but disagree what is to be done.
Where I disagree with those of Momentum, SWP, IS Or what ever they call themselves is that their's is a very dishonest position - as it comes from the view that the working class cannot achieve mass class consciousness and so need to be lead
That is done by those in momentum getting behind every struggle so as to demonstrate that reform is always doomed to eventual failure - which will then lead ..........to, err .... revolution
Not only is this flawed as history has shown, but inevitably leads to newbies becoming disenchanted, and moving away from politics.
Their entryist tactic is now been aped by the ERG (and fellow travellers), and highlights one of the blindingly obvious flaws in the guff that is PR. Factions will inevitably seek to gain control of a larger party rather than promote their minority view.
I have lost count of the number of times I have been told that it is 'tactics, comrade' when challenging these liars. It is now much the same in the right where the defence of far right views are defended by the claims of getting back to 'core Tory values'.
'twas ever thus, I'm afraid |
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| No fines for Starmer on 14:06 - Jul 8 with 1231 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| No fines for Starmer on 13:37 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
One of Corbyn's biggest twitter foot soldiers
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One tweet? Well that's me convinced.
And what's a twitter foot soldier when it's at home? Were you a TWTD foot soldier before you deserted? | |
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| No fines for Starmer on 14:08 - Jul 8 with 1215 views | Ftnfwest |
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