| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 15:06 - Jul 15 with 1048 views | unbelievablue |
| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 08:44 - Jul 15 by Lord_Lucan |
Our lot were going for a booze up on the 23rd and possibly taking in the Millwall game - if we could still walk by kick off.
It coincided with my Grandsons birthday party so to sweeten things and to gain approved passage I had to stump up for a bouncy castle the size of the Empire State Building.
So, now - I'm out of pocket and have to listen to a load of screaming kids all day when I could and should be behaving like a tvvat in assorted hostelries. . |
That's a shame, as TK and I are going (I think). |  |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 15:46 - Jul 15 with 1002 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:50 - Jul 15 by STYG |
I don't trust the government to run it and I don't trust anyone else to run it.
In an ideal world it would be government run and they wouldn't be a bunch of crooks.
I don't even mind stuff being run to make profits for shareholders. That's cool. You've bought a thing, invested in it and you only want it to make profit, that's how the world works.
But when you charge £50 a ticket, maybe take £45 for yourselves and use £5 to keep the toilets clean and the trains running on time and run enough trains that people aren't on top of each other and not take £50 profit and let it become run into the ground.
That's too much to ask these days. |
I'm certainly not disagreeing with you.
Either way we will get screwed - that's life |  |
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| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 16:02 - Jul 15 with 987 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 15:06 - Jul 15 by unbelievablue |
That's a shame, as TK and I are going (I think). |
I suggested we get a minibus and driver down but all the others are being a bit nonplussed** about it
(**A year ago I would have said gay, but this proves how much I've moved along) | |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 18:21 - Jul 15 with 951 views | Ely_Blue |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:56 - Jul 15 by unbelievablue |
I'll be driving from SE London to Ipswich early that morning if anyone wants a one way lift. |
I’ll be driving from Poole/Bournemouth area on the morning of 30th and back that evening if anyone needs a lift |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 21:37 - Jul 15 with 858 views | Stewart27 |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 13:44 - Jul 15 by STYG |
Well that's some take.
What people earn in relation to someone else is irrelevant. If you earned £30k last year in a job and inflation is 9% and you're offered no extra pay then it's effectively a pay cut. People can live with that and many have for years, without pay rises and with worsening conditions. But when the bosses are sharing £100m profit between themselves then this is the only option those people have.
Why should they just get on with it because someone else only earns £20k or £25k?
You seem to have no sympathy because of your wife's situation or people missing the first game of the season. That's a good reason for a rail worker to suffer a real terms pay cut. To help you specifically but not themselves? Laughable.
These people don't enjoy the stress and the negative media attention. You reckon they are doing it for a few % pay rise just to be greedy? It's to ensure safety and to ensure they don't end up needing a food bank to feed their kids.
People accept jobs based on their circumstances and live within their means. Their house, their car, their lifestyles are all made in accordance with what they are rightly paid. When the goalposts are moved by their employers who have plenty of money to make the situation right but hog it all for themselves then this is all people can do to try and get what they are fairly entitled to.
You saying you wouldn't support your wife doing something that helped you two because it would impact on others. From your post I can tell you wouldn't give a hoot about others needs, you'd look after yourselves, which is all these people are doing.
Their own families needs will come before yours and you'd do exactly the same.
This is all on the government and the fat cats creaming profits whilst their own staff use food banks and struggle to put food on the table. |
My wife hasn’t had a pay cut and is now being made to suffer by other people who haven’t had a pay cut either. |  | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 21:42 - Jul 15 with 845 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 21:37 - Jul 15 by Stewart27 |
My wife hasn’t had a pay cut and is now being made to suffer by other people who haven’t had a pay cut either. |
Who are these people who haven't had a pay cut but are making your wife suffer? |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 21:46 - Jul 15 with 847 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 13:44 - Jul 15 by STYG |
Well that's some take.
What people earn in relation to someone else is irrelevant. If you earned £30k last year in a job and inflation is 9% and you're offered no extra pay then it's effectively a pay cut. People can live with that and many have for years, without pay rises and with worsening conditions. But when the bosses are sharing £100m profit between themselves then this is the only option those people have.
Why should they just get on with it because someone else only earns £20k or £25k?
You seem to have no sympathy because of your wife's situation or people missing the first game of the season. That's a good reason for a rail worker to suffer a real terms pay cut. To help you specifically but not themselves? Laughable.
These people don't enjoy the stress and the negative media attention. You reckon they are doing it for a few % pay rise just to be greedy? It's to ensure safety and to ensure they don't end up needing a food bank to feed their kids.
People accept jobs based on their circumstances and live within their means. Their house, their car, their lifestyles are all made in accordance with what they are rightly paid. When the goalposts are moved by their employers who have plenty of money to make the situation right but hog it all for themselves then this is all people can do to try and get what they are fairly entitled to.
You saying you wouldn't support your wife doing something that helped you two because it would impact on others. From your post I can tell you wouldn't give a hoot about others needs, you'd look after yourselves, which is all these people are doing.
Their own families needs will come before yours and you'd do exactly the same.
This is all on the government and the fat cats creaming profits whilst their own staff use food banks and struggle to put food on the table. |
anyone earning £60k who will "end up needing a food bank to feed their kids" needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
Hardly any of us have had inflation matching pay rises for a number of years in private, public or third sectors.
The fact of the matter is that train drivers can strike and have a major impact on the rest of us and significantly disrupt our lives whereas most of us can't.
What makes them so special? (apart from their sense of entitlement) - particularly as they already earn over twice the national average wage? |  | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:00 - Jul 16 with 791 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 21:46 - Jul 15 by Skip_Intro |
anyone earning £60k who will "end up needing a food bank to feed their kids" needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
Hardly any of us have had inflation matching pay rises for a number of years in private, public or third sectors.
The fact of the matter is that train drivers can strike and have a major impact on the rest of us and significantly disrupt our lives whereas most of us can't.
What makes them so special? (apart from their sense of entitlement) - particularly as they already earn over twice the national average wage? |
Is this a "because they earn x amount of pounds they should just be happy to take a real terms pay cut" post?
Because if not, your point about how much they earn is completely irrelevant. At what salary level would it be acceptable to strike over pay and conditions? |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:02 - Jul 16 with 785 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:00 - Jul 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Is this a "because they earn x amount of pounds they should just be happy to take a real terms pay cut" post?
Because if not, your point about how much they earn is completely irrelevant. At what salary level would it be acceptable to strike over pay and conditions? |
nope - it was about the ridiculous post that I quoted saying that train drivers will be forced to use food banks... | | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:32 - Jul 16 with 751 views | brazil1982 |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 08:08 - Jul 15 by Leaky |
Another political thread on the football section |
Almost every thread on here seems to lead to inevitable anti Tory comments. |  | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 17:17 - Jul 16 with 710 views | noggin |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:32 - Jul 16 by brazil1982 |
Almost every thread on here seems to lead to inevitable anti Tory comments. |
Yeah but Corbyn. | |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 17:25 - Jul 16 with 709 views | giant_stow |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:32 - Jul 16 by brazil1982 |
Almost every thread on here seems to lead to inevitable anti Tory comments. |
I just wish the odd Tory would argue back once in a while. |  |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 17:34 - Jul 16 with 683 views | noggin |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 17:25 - Jul 16 by giant_stow |
I just wish the odd Tory would argue back once in a while. |
What could they possibly argue? | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:36 - Jul 16 with 676 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:02 - Jul 16 by Skip_Intro |
nope - it was about the ridiculous post that I quoted saying that train drivers will be forced to use food banks... |
"What makes them so special? (apart from their sense of entitlement) - particularly as they already earn over twice the national average wage?" | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:49 - Jul 16 with 661 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:36 - Jul 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"What makes them so special? (apart from their sense of entitlement) - particularly as they already earn over twice the national average wage?" |
my secondary point was that most of the population haven't had inflationary pay rises for years either - it's only because the train drivers have a responsible job (for which they are already very well paid) that impacts millions of people which means that they can strike effectively.
The rest of us have to just get on with it.
I have more sympathy for the millions of people that they will cause huge inconvenience (and additional expense) to - most of whom earn significantly less than the train drivers... | | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 17:54 - Jul 16 with 648 views | jeera |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 08:36 - Jul 15 by Leaky |
I will, like a lot of other's will just drive. We need to organise, to help people who can't drive get to the game. That's what this thread should be about. Not bloody politics. |
Rubbish.
You're whining for the sake of it.
Skip's pointed out it's the 30th because it may affect people trying to get to the game.
You're being petty. |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:54 - Jul 16 with 651 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:49 - Jul 16 by Skip_Intro |
my secondary point was that most of the population haven't had inflationary pay rises for years either - it's only because the train drivers have a responsible job (for which they are already very well paid) that impacts millions of people which means that they can strike effectively.
The rest of us have to just get on with it.
I have more sympathy for the millions of people that they will cause huge inconvenience (and additional expense) to - most of whom earn significantly less than the train drivers... |
But again, what has their pay level got to do with it? Nurses earn considerably less, but if they went on strike, they would also impact 'millions' of people.
Would nurses be alright to do it in your book, or is the real issue here that you feel Train Drivers already earn enough, so they should just shut up, get back to work and get on with it. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:01 - Jul 16 with 632 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:49 - Jul 16 by Skip_Intro |
my secondary point was that most of the population haven't had inflationary pay rises for years either - it's only because the train drivers have a responsible job (for which they are already very well paid) that impacts millions of people which means that they can strike effectively.
The rest of us have to just get on with it.
I have more sympathy for the millions of people that they will cause huge inconvenience (and additional expense) to - most of whom earn significantly less than the train drivers... |
"The rest of us have to just get on with it."
No you don't. You could join a union and fight for more. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:03 - Jul 16 with 630 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:54 - Jul 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
But again, what has their pay level got to do with it? Nurses earn considerably less, but if they went on strike, they would also impact 'millions' of people.
Would nurses be alright to do it in your book, or is the real issue here that you feel Train Drivers already earn enough, so they should just shut up, get back to work and get on with it. |
But the nurses aren't striking are they (yet...)...and if they did I would support them more yes - just as I'd support teachers as I believe both professions are woefully underpaid (and therefore more deserving of pay rises) and require more years of training than train drivers | | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:03 - Jul 16 with 625 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 17:36 - Jul 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"What makes them so special? (apart from their sense of entitlement) - particularly as they already earn over twice the national average wage?" |
Why do you think they earn over twice the national average? | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:03 - Jul 16 with 628 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:01 - Jul 16 by noggin |
"The rest of us have to just get on with it."
No you don't. You could join a union and fight for more. |
I am in a union thanks | | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:05 - Jul 16 with 623 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:03 - Jul 16 by noggin |
Why do you think they earn over twice the national average? |
"ONS figures showed that for 2021, the median average salary for train and tram drivers was £59,189."
"Looking at data just from January 2022, which is compiled by the HMRC and ONS, we can see that the average salary is estimated at £24,600"
Need to borrow my calculator? | | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:08 - Jul 16 with 617 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:05 - Jul 16 by Skip_Intro |
"ONS figures showed that for 2021, the median average salary for train and tram drivers was £59,189."
"Looking at data just from January 2022, which is compiled by the HMRC and ONS, we can see that the average salary is estimated at £24,600"
Need to borrow my calculator? |
But you still aren't explaining the relevance of their income. Why would you support nurses and teachers and you don't support Train Drivers? All three would, (and do), cause disruption and yet you are clearly anti strikes by train drivers.
It can't simply be because we'll all have to drive for the Bolton game. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:11 - Jul 16 with 610 views | Skip_Intro |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:08 - Jul 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
But you still aren't explaining the relevance of their income. Why would you support nurses and teachers and you don't support Train Drivers? All three would, (and do), cause disruption and yet you are clearly anti strikes by train drivers.
It can't simply be because we'll all have to drive for the Bolton game. |
they are already well paid and will be less impacted by inflation than lower paid key workers who do more demanding, dangerous and stressful jobs - I think others are far more deserving of pay rises tbh.
Anyway this wasn't intended to be a political thread but it's been hijacked and turned into one so I'm out.
Enjoy your evening. | | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:21 - Jul 16 with 592 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 18:03 - Jul 16 by Skip_Intro |
I am in a union thanks |
Not a good one if you feel that you 'just have to get on with it'. | |
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