| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:16 - Jul 14 with 1084 views | DinDjarin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:06 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
What a great way to ensure that society is full of jobs that are underpaid and undervalued. |
If noone took the jobs or left then it would have to change surely. |  | |  |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 15:16 - Jul 14 with 1087 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Well how the f**k do we get to the game then? Selfish bastards |  |
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| In this particular instance..... on 15:17 - Jul 14 with 1084 views | DinDjarin |
| In this particular instance..... on 15:01 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
...that isn't an option, because they know they will never get paid the amount they do in any other job. |
So what you are saying is they are paid quite well already? | | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:19 - Jul 14 with 1068 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:15 - Jul 14 by giant_stow |
To my mind, because the whole world would have to agree to do this at once, or else the smartest, wealthiest people would just bvgger off to another country. |
So the smartest and wealthiest people don't give a toss about society? |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:21 - Jul 14 with 1057 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:16 - Jul 14 by DinDjarin |
If noone took the jobs or left then it would have to change surely. |
By your logic, we should all be on minimum wage and be grateful for it. All the while, shareholders and senior management share the profits. | |
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| The average is 50K to 60K..... on 15:24 - Jul 14 with 1039 views | Bloots |
| In this particular instance..... on 15:17 - Jul 14 by DinDjarin |
So what you are saying is they are paid quite well already? |
...depending on the train company.
Less for new drivers, more for experienced.
Oh.....and free/cheap train travel, when they aren't on strike. |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:26 - Jul 14 with 1031 views | giant_stow |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:19 - Jul 14 by noggin |
So the smartest and wealthiest people don't give a toss about society? |
I'm chatting generalities for sure - we all do selfish things of course. |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:26 - Jul 14 with 1032 views | jayessess |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:16 - Jul 14 by DinDjarin |
If noone took the jobs or left then it would have to change surely. |
That certainly hasn't proven to be true historically.
People as individuals choosing to change employer has not generally been cause for industries to improve conditions, safety or pay. Generally speaking, bad employers simply seek out other workers with fewer choices. Collective bargaining on the other hand has a very good track record on improving all those things, not just for the workers who happen to be doing the job at the time but also for the people that come after them. |  |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 15:28 - Jul 14 with 1026 views | SitfcB |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 15:16 - Jul 14 by The_Romford_Blue |
Well how the f**k do we get to the game then? Selfish bastards |
Walk? |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:57 - Jul 14 with 967 views | DJR |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:15 - Jul 14 by giant_stow |
To my mind, because the whole world would have to agree to do this at once, or else the smartest, wealthiest people would just bvgger off to another country. |
The following passage from the Guardian article I mentioned above would suggest it would not be in the wealthiest people's interests to bvgger off to most comparable developed countries.
"While the top 10% of households in Britain were richer than those in many other European countries, middle-income British households were 9% poorer than their counterparts in France, while the poorest fifth of households in Britain were more than 20% poorer than their French and German equivalents." |  | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:00 - Jul 14 with 954 views | FrimleyBlue |
Could town ask for the league to change the fixture? |  |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:12 - Jul 14 with 937 views | jayessess |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:00 - Jul 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Could town ask for the league to change the fixture? |
Wouldn't have thought so. Every other Saturday the trains to Ipswich are off anyway! | |
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| The average is 50K to 60K..... on 16:25 - Jul 14 with 912 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The average is 50K to 60K..... on 15:24 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
...depending on the train company.
Less for new drivers, more for experienced.
Oh.....and free/cheap train travel, when they aren't on strike. |
You and Ulla are focusing on the highest paid. It's not just about the people who drive the trains. And this is something the Tories push out to smear the strikers.
EDIT: Just read the story and looks like it is just drivers according to that. If that's true then I have less sympathy. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 16:41]
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| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 16:27 - Jul 14 with 905 views | Ely_Blue |
| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 14:57 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
...with industrial action, my issue is with the regularity of this particular striking pattern.
Not sure why you ignored that, but anyway.
I don't see the correlation between a "key worker" on little more than the minimum wage and a train driver on £60k a year, other than a couple of "key workers" that I know personally (healthcare assistants), that now won't be able to get to and from work for 5 or 6 days later this month.
And for clarity "real term" pay cuts are not confined to just those in key worker positions and unionised industries. For the last 5 years in my non unionised, private sector, capitalist scum job, I haven't had a pay rise of over 1.5%.
It's a reality of the economic climate, and I was just happy to be employed. |
I’m in agreement with this, I could kind of sympathise with (even if I didn’t agree with) the previous RMT strikes as these were the so called “lower paid” and “unskilled” workers but £60k a year train drivers striking is a joke |  |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:33 - Jul 14 with 900 views | BlueBadger |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 15:16 - Jul 14 by The_Romford_Blue |
Well how the f**k do we get to the game then? Selfish bastards |
I understand that the horseless carriage, official name 'automobile' is a popular means of transport now. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 16:38]
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:35 - Jul 14 with 890 views | Ely_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:02 - Jul 14 by noggin |
When do you think the 'right time' is for a close to inflation pay rise? Because they haven't had that for years now, which means, every year their standard of living decreases. Train companies are making profits so there is money. Austerity started years before covid so let's not let them blame that.
I agree about nurses and teachers, they should also be balloting for action. Power to the people!!! [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 15:03]
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So you have proof that when inflation was at <2% they were getting pay rises lower than that? I doubt it very much.
The thing with most pay deals for unionised workers is they will negotiate a multi year deal in 1 go, so are you saying they should have a 7% negotiated agreement now when inflation could be back down at 3% in a year or 2? It’s the same with the triple lock pension thing, unsustainable | |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:40 - Jul 14 with 872 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 15:16 - Jul 14 by The_Romford_Blue |
Well how the f**k do we get to the game then? Selfish bastards |
Plane to Vegas. Down some drinks.
Plane over to Spain. Down some more
Plane over to Gatwick... wait for town fans to park and then walk with them. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:41 - Jul 14 with 871 views | BlueBadger |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:26 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
That certainly hasn't proven to be true historically.
People as individuals choosing to change employer has not generally been cause for industries to improve conditions, safety or pay. Generally speaking, bad employers simply seek out other workers with fewer choices. Collective bargaining on the other hand has a very good track record on improving all those things, not just for the workers who happen to be doing the job at the time but also for the people that come after them. |
I'm just idly wondering here how many of the people harrumphing about people withdrawing their labour to achieve positive change in the workplace were cheering on the ministerial resignations last week. | |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:43 - Jul 14 with 863 views | Ely_Blue |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:40 - Jul 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Plane to Vegas. Down some drinks.
Plane over to Spain. Down some more
Plane over to Gatwick... wait for town fans to park and then walk with them. |
You’ll be ok, you never go to the games anyway | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:46 - Jul 14 with 861 views | Ely_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:41 - Jul 14 by BlueBadger |
I'm just idly wondering here how many of the people harrumphing about people withdrawing their labour to achieve positive change in the workplace were cheering on the ministerial resignations last week. |
Slightly different scenarios protesting about a stubborn individual who knew he was in the wrong but was too self centred to resign and withdrawing labour on your £60k a year job because you don’t get the pay rise you wanted! | |
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| Arf! (n/t) on 16:46 - Jul 14 with 859 views | Bloots |
| The average is 50K to 60K..... on 16:25 - Jul 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You and Ulla are focusing on the highest paid. It's not just about the people who drive the trains. And this is something the Tories push out to smear the strikers.
EDIT: Just read the story and looks like it is just drivers according to that. If that's true then I have less sympathy. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 16:41]
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:47 - Jul 14 with 858 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:43 - Jul 14 by Ely_Blue |
You’ll be ok, you never go to the games anyway |
Now you see the advantage :)
Enjoy the bus. | |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:51 - Jul 14 with 856 views | Ely_Blue |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:47 - Jul 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Now you see the advantage :)
Enjoy the bus. |
I’ll enjoy the drive as usual, I was planning on taking the train given that’s it would be working out £15-£20 cheaper now with the rise in fuel prices
I don’t think that you are in any position to comment on this thread given that you’re an armchair “fan” (I use the term fan in its very loosest sense) | |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:54 - Jul 14 with 847 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 16:51 - Jul 14 by Ely_Blue |
I’ll enjoy the drive as usual, I was planning on taking the train given that’s it would be working out £15-£20 cheaper now with the rise in fuel prices
I don’t think that you are in any position to comment on this thread given that you’re an armchair “fan” (I use the term fan in its very loosest sense) |
Well I can as its an open forum and I'm not exactly giving an opinion on it. I love the 'fan' comment tho. ST for 18 years but year coz I moved away I'm not a fan. Lol.
BTW if you're driving. Help a fella out and give Romford a lift. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 16:58]
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:55 - Jul 14 with 844 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 16:35 - Jul 14 by Ely_Blue |
So you have proof that when inflation was at <2% they were getting pay rises lower than that? I doubt it very much.
The thing with most pay deals for unionised workers is they will negotiate a multi year deal in 1 go, so are you saying they should have a 7% negotiated agreement now when inflation could be back down at 3% in a year or 2? It’s the same with the triple lock pension thing, unsustainable |
Are you an austerity denier? | |
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