| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? 09:50 - Jul 26 with 4256 views | iamipswich |
Do we need them? I feel the consensus on here is that if you could choose one, it would be Hirst.
I still feel that we also need an additional attacking midfielder behind the strikers unless Edwards can play there but it looks as though he's being touted as another RWB option behind Burns. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 12:04 - Jul 26 with 1068 views | Skip_Intro |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:02 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Does Financial Fair Play exist in League One? The simple answer is not in name, instead clubs in League One and League Two must comply with the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) - a Financial Fair Play framework. This means limiting the amount a club can spent on wages as a proportion of turnover.
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Thanks for the patronising reply - so you're saying that FFP doesn't exist in L1 but is replaced by SCMP - which is exactly as I stated.
As I also stated, my understanding from reading an explanation on SCMP is that the limit on wages can be completely offset by a cash injection from the owners. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 12:10 - Jul 26 with 1040 views | Wakh |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:43 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Whilst I would agree, injecting £5m into the club to sign two players, would be nice,
That money also instantly disappears again, and is made up where? Shirt sales, ticket receipts?
You have to factor the long term costs, wages, travel costs, hotels, bills etc into the finances as well, whilst not related to the player, they are included in the overheads and turnover calculations
I think what people are missing, is if we have to inject cash to cover our losses on wages and fees, then the deals don't become viable for the club to do
As a football fan, yes, lets inject the cash and get the deals done, as a bookkeeper by trade, I look at the viability based on the business side of the club |
Blimey.
All of your thoughts there do not not account for speculating to accumulate. Cash injections are key to that for almost every business (regardless from where or who the funds are sourced).
If Ashton was offered an immaculate 1973 capri for £50 he wouldn't refuse it because he had to MOT it first.
If we are speculating to accumulate then it's a projection not basic book keeping. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 12:23 - Jul 26 with 995 views | portmanking |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:43 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Whilst I would agree, injecting £5m into the club to sign two players, would be nice,
That money also instantly disappears again, and is made up where? Shirt sales, ticket receipts?
You have to factor the long term costs, wages, travel costs, hotels, bills etc into the finances as well, whilst not related to the player, they are included in the overheads and turnover calculations
I think what people are missing, is if we have to inject cash to cover our losses on wages and fees, then the deals don't become viable for the club to do
As a football fan, yes, lets inject the cash and get the deals done, as a bookkeeper by trade, I look at the viability based on the business side of the club |
Sorry, but I couldn't care less if you're a bookkeeper or milkman. The argument was that with SCMP it's not possible to buy Hirst and pay Celina's wages. That's just factually wrong. It's absolutely possible. Our owners will have a figure with which they are prepared to invest to get to a) Championship level and b) Premier League level. They can continue to inject fresh capital to circumvent the rules of SCMP, although I'm led to believe this isn't possible with FFP in the Championship.
In some ways, it makes sense to carry out the bulk of our spending in League 1 with the hope of having a Championship-ready team. | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 13:46 - Jul 26 with 916 views | STYG |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:43 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Whilst I would agree, injecting £5m into the club to sign two players, would be nice,
That money also instantly disappears again, and is made up where? Shirt sales, ticket receipts?
You have to factor the long term costs, wages, travel costs, hotels, bills etc into the finances as well, whilst not related to the player, they are included in the overheads and turnover calculations
I think what people are missing, is if we have to inject cash to cover our losses on wages and fees, then the deals don't become viable for the club to do
As a football fan, yes, lets inject the cash and get the deals done, as a bookkeeper by trade, I look at the viability based on the business side of the club |
I suggest you email Ashton and warn him.
I mean he, the chairman and the owners have all missed that these deals aren’t viable. They’ll be really glad you caught this.
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 14:17 - Jul 26 with 842 views | pointofblue |
Was thinking, I wonder whether we might try and use Simpson as a makeweight in the deal with Hirst? He wants out, sure he’ll be delighted to head to a Premier League club. How much could we knock off the Hirst deal if so - maybe £500k? | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 16:50 - Jul 26 with 761 views | pennblue |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:26 - Jul 26 by DMDC |
Celina simply isnt worth the money he wants chucked at him. He isnt that loyal to Town, he was prepared to go to Stoke and some tin pot Turkish club, because at the end of the day all footballers chase the money. Lets move on from him, its tiresome. |
I doubt very much Celina wants to go anywhere else except come to Town. He loves the club, and has a connection with the fans. All that talk about Stoke + Turkish club I expect were his agent trying to force the issue with Town.
P.S This is all a guess, but I am pretty damn sure Bersant loves the club. | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 21:01 - Jul 26 with 665 views | PioneerBlue |
This is one of the more amusing threads for a while | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 21:19 - Jul 26 with 618 views | Kropotkin123 |
Can we afford Celina AND Hirst?
I don't know, I don't oversee the club's finances. The club don't seem reckless in their spending (like Derby in the Championship), so I'd assume if we are after them, we can.
Do we need them?
As someone else said in this thread, I think FL is underrated. I wouldn't be surprised if TJJ does better than Norwood and Pigott's contribution last year, given his style of play and record at Doncaster. With that said, Hirst would improve us, from what I have seen and heard. So I would say there is a good case for bringing him in if we can do it at a price that is reasonable for us.
With the arrival of MH, I don't think there is as much of a need for Celina. That doesn't mean that I don't think Celina is quality. I just think Chaplin, Harness, and Aluko are quality players. |  |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 21:29 - Jul 26 with 594 views | jas0999 |
Yes. | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 21:44 - Jul 26 with 570 views | Veggie |
No thanks to Celina. Hirst? Maybe. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 22:27 - Jul 26 with 509 views | BondiBlue |
Interesting debate given we've just spent $1 million plus on a left-back. If we were struggling to afford celina and hirst, would we have prioritised davis given that we have two left-backs in the building already. The size of the davis fee suggests to me that either we very much still can afford celina and hirst, or that we maybe aren't particularly bothered if we don't get them. | |
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| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 22:41 - Jul 26 with 478 views | XYZ |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 11:43 - Jul 26 by Mediocre_Quick |
Whilst I would agree, injecting £5m into the club to sign two players, would be nice,
That money also instantly disappears again, and is made up where? Shirt sales, ticket receipts?
You have to factor the long term costs, wages, travel costs, hotels, bills etc into the finances as well, whilst not related to the player, they are included in the overheads and turnover calculations
I think what people are missing, is if we have to inject cash to cover our losses on wages and fees, then the deals don't become viable for the club to do
As a football fan, yes, lets inject the cash and get the deals done, as a bookkeeper by trade, I look at the viability based on the business side of the club |
I think you'll find that they injected about £10m three weeks ago.
https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/xbE3e | | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 07:43 - Jul 27 with 419 views | Leaky |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 12:00 - Jul 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The owners will decide what's viable.
They'll also decide if injecting some more cash in is viable.
You can't just say injecting cash in is NOT viable and that's that. It doesn't work like that. You have no clue what the owners are prepared to risk and thus feel is viable to them. |
Are you suggesting we become the next Derby County. |  | | |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 10:03 - Jul 27 with 400 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Can we afford Celina AND Hirst? on 07:43 - Jul 27 by Leaky |
Are you suggesting we become the next Derby County. |
Yes that's absolutely what I'm suggesting. Well done for getting it, I thought I was being really subtle. I can totally see the pension fund giving us all the money we want, Ashton spunking it up the wall and then us almost going out of business. That would be so exciting! |  |
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