| The police are completely useless 11:41 - Aug 11 with 5047 views | chicoazul |
How much longer must we all put up with this useless frail incompetent ugly organisation in its current form? They are entirely opposite from what they should be, cowering in their offices cars and bunkers while this goes on; Burglary, robbery and theft victims failed by police - watchdog https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62491194 |  |
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| The police are completely useless on 16:43 - Aug 11 with 804 views | jeera |
| The police are completely useless on 16:37 - Aug 11 by noggin |
Big cafe. I find that hard to believe but if you say so... |
Mate, I do think you may be leaping to the defence of one service whilst conflating it with another.
They [emergency services] aren't one and the same.
I've never seen anyone to date complain about paramedics for example.
For the record I am one of those saddos who thinks they're doing their bit by stepping aside at any queue for any uniformed emergency worker.
I say sad, I don't think there' much wrong with showing a little respect for people in those roles if I'm honest. [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 16:47]
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| The police are completely useless on 16:46 - Aug 11 with 800 views | noggin |
| The police are completely useless on 16:43 - Aug 11 by jeera |
Mate, I do think you may be leaping to the defence of one service whilst conflating it with another.
They [emergency services] aren't one and the same.
I've never seen anyone to date complain about paramedics for example.
For the record I am one of those saddos who thinks they're doing their bit by stepping aside at any queue for any uniformed emergency worker.
I say sad, I don't think there' much wrong with showing a little respect for people in those roles if I'm honest. [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 16:47]
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I did say, I can't answer for the police. I just find it difficult to believe over 50 officers were relaxing in a South London cafe while on duty. |  |
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| The police are completely useless on 16:48 - Aug 11 with 785 views | jeera |
| The police are completely useless on 16:46 - Aug 11 by noggin |
I did say, I can't answer for the police. I just find it difficult to believe over 50 officers were relaxing in a South London cafe while on duty. |
Maybe he didn't mean in one go!
I'm not certain.
I do know I have much more respect for some services than others based on my own experience. | |
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| The police are completely useless on 16:51 - Aug 11 with 776 views | MattinLondon |
| The police are completely useless on 11:43 - Aug 11 by ZXBlue |
Might have something to do with this government's funding? Not to mention their funding of hte justice system generally. See the current criminal bar action for details. |
It seems to be fashionable to label the police as useless - the NHS fails to meet their targets and you don’t tend to hear the same voices labelling nurses and doctors as nurses (obviously some do).
The police aren’t perfect but they are an easy target to lob a negativity at. Some do it to come across as anti-establishment, a bit edgy - always the same posters do this. A bit pathetic really. |  | | |
| The police are completely useless on 16:53 - Aug 11 with 776 views | ZXBlue |
| The police are completely useless on 14:05 - Aug 11 by chicoazul |
As we see from this thread there are many such cases. But one can’t possibly point out both the apocryphal and actual evidence for their uselessness without a few people crying about how nice they are how hard their job is how little funding they have an infinitum ad nauseum. How about we actually get them to do what they’re literally designed to do; prevent crime and solve it & present the accused for justice when caught? |
Many such cases. But the reason?
They cant treat this stuff as priority, or deal with it at all, because they are busy dealign with the mess caused by county lines, domestic violence, admin driven by all of that, mental health problems and so on. |  | | |
| The police are completely useless on 16:53 - Aug 11 with 774 views | noggin |
| The police are completely useless on 16:48 - Aug 11 by jeera |
Maybe he didn't mean in one go!
I'm not certain.
I do know I have much more respect for some services than others based on my own experience. |
I have very little respect for the Met, having worked beside them previously. That doesn't mean I don't think officers deserve a break during their shift. What I will say is, I wouldn't be a Met copper for all the tea in a very big cafe. | |
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| The police are completely useless on 16:54 - Aug 11 with 772 views | ZXBlue |
Irrelevant to the points being made. | | | |
| The police are completely useless on 17:05 - Aug 11 with 733 views | jeera |
| The police are completely useless on 16:53 - Aug 11 by noggin |
I have very little respect for the Met, having worked beside them previously. That doesn't mean I don't think officers deserve a break during their shift. What I will say is, I wouldn't be a Met copper for all the tea in a very big cafe. |
I doubt anyone thinks they shouldn't have a break. | |
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| The police are completely useless on 17:07 - Aug 11 with 725 views | noggin |
| The police are completely useless on 17:05 - Aug 11 by jeera |
I doubt anyone thinks they shouldn't have a break. |
You'd be surprised | |
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| The police are completely useless on 17:07 - Aug 11 with 725 views | jeera |
| The police are completely useless on 16:51 - Aug 11 by MattinLondon |
It seems to be fashionable to label the police as useless - the NHS fails to meet their targets and you don’t tend to hear the same voices labelling nurses and doctors as nurses (obviously some do).
The police aren’t perfect but they are an easy target to lob a negativity at. Some do it to come across as anti-establishment, a bit edgy - always the same posters do this. A bit pathetic really. |
Institutionally both have been called out when caught out and it's been necessary.
One doesn't negate the other and it's not a competition between completely different services.
The police currently have a bad rep in general for good reason. It's not a blame game. | |
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| The police are completely useless on 17:22 - Aug 11 with 698 views | jeera |
| The police are completely useless on 17:07 - Aug 11 by noggin |
You'd be surprised |
Let's clear this up cos I hate loose ties and you're one of those I wouldn't want to think any less of me.
I strongly feel it's not unreasonable for people whose lives have been ruined by crime to feel let down by a consistently deteriorating police service.
Who is to blame for this is a long and complex conversation I'm sure we could all agree.
But I do feel although the buck ultimately stops at the top, be that police commissioners or those governing them, there's also onus on the front line individual to be the person he/she signed up to be.
Trust is at an all time low and it would be good to see someone involved who actually appears to give a damn. [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 17:23]
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| The police are completely useless on 17:32 - Aug 11 with 676 views | noggin |
| The police are completely useless on 17:22 - Aug 11 by jeera |
Let's clear this up cos I hate loose ties and you're one of those I wouldn't want to think any less of me.
I strongly feel it's not unreasonable for people whose lives have been ruined by crime to feel let down by a consistently deteriorating police service.
Who is to blame for this is a long and complex conversation I'm sure we could all agree.
But I do feel although the buck ultimately stops at the top, be that police commissioners or those governing them, there's also onus on the front line individual to be the person he/she signed up to be.
Trust is at an all time low and it would be good to see someone involved who actually appears to give a damn. [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 17:23]
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I know what you're saying and I agree with you. However, finding thousands of professional officers, at £30000, who will accept being spat at, verbally and physically abused, day after day, is not going to happen. The bobby of yesteryear was respected and feared but that is no longer the case. The copper on the street is disrespected from every angle. | |
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| The police are completely useless on 18:10 - Aug 11 with 633 views | MattinLondon |
There have been nurses jailed for murder - great guys the nurses. | | | |
| The police are completely useless on 18:17 - Aug 11 with 601 views | chicoazul |
| The police are completely useless on 16:53 - Aug 11 by ZXBlue |
Many such cases. But the reason?
They cant treat this stuff as priority, or deal with it at all, because they are busy dealign with the mess caused by county lines, domestic violence, admin driven by all of that, mental health problems and so on. |
The police have decided pretty much themselves to not deal wherever possible with crimes they consider to be low level so eg vandalism car theft noise burglaries drug dealing anti social behaviour. These crimes create utter misery for the neighbourhoods they take place in but the police do nothing about it despite their vast resources and dwindling of duties over the years for eg the police are not responsible for securing commercial premises anymore. Despite their vast resources good salaries and good employment terms they are rubbish at doing their jobs, as the literal evidence provided shows. This country is full of apologists and boot lickers for the police. | |
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| The police are completely useless on 18:18 - Aug 11 with 597 views | chicoazul |
| The police are completely useless on 17:32 - Aug 11 by noggin |
I know what you're saying and I agree with you. However, finding thousands of professional officers, at £30000, who will accept being spat at, verbally and physically abused, day after day, is not going to happen. The bobby of yesteryear was respected and feared but that is no longer the case. The copper on the street is disrespected from every angle. |
I agree. Why do you think that is? Why do you think we live in a society with so little respect for the police? | |
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| The police are completely useless on 18:19 - Aug 11 with 596 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
I’ll add my 10 cents having read through most of the posts.. I think like most subjects we all have a predetermined opinion and naturally lean towards articles, opinions that align with our own.
The truth is it is far more complex and every single force is very different, but each have their own deep rooted issues.
They do however share some very similar problems, the most obvious being resources.. not just within police, but other public services. From experience I would say policing is over 60% dealing with medical issues, mental health problems and missing persons. This is all from the huge lack of resourcing in social care, health and so on and so forth.. Police are the ones who get called to mop up when there isn’t anyone else and in majority of cases are not the most appropriate agency. For instance I know of days where officers are sat with patients waiting for ambulances or taking them to hospital and waiting with them in A&E and that extends over single shifts.
The second major factor is the Criminal justice system is simply not effective. It costs minimum of £5k for a case to be heard at court so in many instances the CPS (or Police) decide it is not in the public interest to pursue, particularly as even in serious and sexual offences, the wait for court dates is getting beyond ridiculous. It is not fair on victims and that is the CPS, Courts etc. but naturally police as public facing get the blame.
There is also a worrying reduction in CPS actually authorising charges when there are offences and taking forever to actually return case files with further actions so crimes actually time out in terms of offences only being chargeable for 6 months from the incident.. therefore opportunities missed, obviously missed by police but also CPS
Also, I’ve spent 5 hours in A&E yesterday and saw 4 nurses and 2 paramedics with lollipops. Lazy barstewards [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 18:39]
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| The police are completely useless on 18:23 - Aug 11 with 589 views | DerryfromBury |
| The police are completely useless on 11:47 - Aug 11 by homer_123 |
Yep - indeed.
But, until we are happy to vote for a party that will properly fund services with increased taxation - which is needed. Nothing is going to change.
I've said before, we lack the ability to have a grown up conversation about how we fund services in the UK (I appreciate that there is a significant discussion to be had about how reliable parties are using public funds, especially recently).
Do we want a properly funded Education system?
Do we want a properly funded Police force?
Do we want a properly funded NHS?
Yes, there are genuine discussions to be had about what level that might be but the reality is - it 'has' to be paid for and the general public won't vote for any party that increases taxes. |
Allegedly, the general public would be happy to pay more tax if it was ringfenced for the NHS. Ho wait a minute, there was major uproar as soon as the increase in NI was announced to fund the NHS. |  | | |
| The police are completely useless on 18:23 - Aug 11 with 588 views | noggin |
| The police are completely useless on 18:18 - Aug 11 by chicoazul |
I agree. Why do you think that is? Why do you think we live in a society with so little respect for the police? |
I don't know. Why do you think we live in a society with so little respect for teachers, paramedics and firefighters? | |
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| The police are completely useless on 18:24 - Aug 11 with 584 views | BlueNomad |
Austerity - cut 23k officers.
Police Chiefs “We are not coping”
Home Secretary Theresa May - “Stop crying wolf”
A few years later PM Boris Johnson “We’re doing a great job. We’re putting 20k EXTRA officers in the police.”
And there you have it. [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 18:33]
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| The police are completely useless on 18:26 - Aug 11 with 571 views | noggin |
| The police are completely useless on 18:17 - Aug 11 by chicoazul |
The police have decided pretty much themselves to not deal wherever possible with crimes they consider to be low level so eg vandalism car theft noise burglaries drug dealing anti social behaviour. These crimes create utter misery for the neighbourhoods they take place in but the police do nothing about it despite their vast resources and dwindling of duties over the years for eg the police are not responsible for securing commercial premises anymore. Despite their vast resources good salaries and good employment terms they are rubbish at doing their jobs, as the literal evidence provided shows. This country is full of apologists and boot lickers for the police. |
You've never been a police officer have you? | |
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| The police are completely useless on 19:08 - Aug 11 with 514 views | Seablu |
| The police are completely useless on 18:18 - Aug 11 by chicoazul |
I agree. Why do you think that is? Why do you think we live in a society with so little respect for the police? |
It’s usually only recreational drugs and lefties that fizzes your p*ss.
I’m guessing someone’s kicked their ball into your rhododendrons and the village copper hasn’t clipped the little thug around the ear in a timely manner?
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| The police are completely useless on 19:37 - Aug 11 with 493 views | giant_stow |
| The police are completely useless on 19:08 - Aug 11 by Seablu |
It’s usually only recreational drugs and lefties that fizzes your p*ss.
I’m guessing someone’s kicked their ball into your rhododendrons and the village copper hasn’t clipped the little thug around the ear in a timely manner?
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Hey, you're back on form!
Chico's a leftie with with old school leanings. |  |
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| The police are completely useless on 19:59 - Aug 11 with 467 views | ZXBlue |
| The police are completely useless on 19:37 - Aug 11 by giant_stow |
Hey, you're back on form!
Chico's a leftie with with old school leanings. |
It is interesting:
Wait 5 hours in A and E, only to be told you need an appointment in 18 months time for treatement and the funding is disgusting, and the nurses are angels doing their best in impossible conditions.
Wait 5 hours for a response from the police, who then say they are too busy to expend resources trying to deal with your issue, they are incompetent thugs. | | | |
| The police are completely useless on 20:26 - Aug 11 with 434 views | MattinLondon |
| The police are completely useless on 19:59 - Aug 11 by ZXBlue |
It is interesting:
Wait 5 hours in A and E, only to be told you need an appointment in 18 months time for treatement and the funding is disgusting, and the nurses are angels doing their best in impossible conditions.
Wait 5 hours for a response from the police, who then say they are too busy to expend resources trying to deal with your issue, they are incompetent thugs. |
Fashion innit. | | | |
| The police are completely useless on 20:28 - Aug 11 with 430 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The police are completely useless on 11:43 - Aug 11 by ZXBlue |
Might have something to do with this government's funding? Not to mention their funding of hte justice system generally. See the current criminal bar action for details. |
Yep, and not just their own funding. They spend an in ordinate amount of time dealing with mental health issues because, yep you guessed it, support in that specialist area has also fallen behind where it needs to be. Cuts to local authorities’ budgets mean there’s been a real terms reduction in mental health funding since 2010/11. It’s a consistent story across all services. |  |
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