| Sewage being pumped into the sea? 15:39 - Aug 22 with 6686 views | SitfcB |
Why is there a big thing being made out of this at the moment when it’s been going on for years and years?
It’s always been common knowledge that it happens hasn’t it? |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 09:08 - Aug 24 with 1029 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 23:35 - Aug 23 by Lord_Lucan |
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I've just been listening to Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell discussing this on their weekly pod. Rory Stewart was a junior minister in the D of E under Lizz Truss.
He was saying that we are one of the few countries who use the same pipes for sewerage and fresh water. That it is a ridiculously outdated and unacceptable situation, and that to change to a two pipe system would have cost something like £300 billion, or the equivalent of £1000 a year extra on household water bills for the next 25 years.
He wasn't making excuses, and takes some responsibility for the current situation, but was simply laying down the reality.
At the time he was trying to scrape together a few million to improve air quality after a spate of deaths due to air pollution.
A very interesting listen. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:04 - Aug 24 with 961 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 23:01 - Aug 23 by Ewan_Oozami |
I think what Badge is saying is that if Corbyn had used his platform to encourage young people to vote Remain, the referendum may have had a different outcome...not sure how social democracy and neoliberalism come into it? |
Sure. If it wasn't one of the classic canards about Corbyn that Badger and the other clowns still trot out. Labour voters voted Remain only very slightly less than the Lib Dems for goodness sake.
Will they address Labour's official Remain campaign? Expertly run into the shadows by Alan Johnson and on a flat Remain platform? Course not.
If anyone addresses what Corbyn actually did and said during the referendum campaign (without making stuff up) then that would be a start. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:14 - Aug 24 with 933 views | Beckets |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:04 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Sure. If it wasn't one of the classic canards about Corbyn that Badger and the other clowns still trot out. Labour voters voted Remain only very slightly less than the Lib Dems for goodness sake.
Will they address Labour's official Remain campaign? Expertly run into the shadows by Alan Johnson and on a flat Remain platform? Course not.
If anyone addresses what Corbyn actually did and said during the referendum campaign (without making stuff up) then that would be a start. |
I think I can help with the what Corbin actually did. The answer is very little. Not surprising really when the policy of the Party which he was leader of was at odds with his long held views of being a Eurosceptic. Have a look at his voting record on EU matters dating back to 1975 when he voted in favour of leaving the EEC. |  | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:17 - Aug 24 with 916 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:14 - Aug 24 by Beckets |
I think I can help with the what Corbin actually did. The answer is very little. Not surprising really when the policy of the Party which he was leader of was at odds with his long held views of being a Eurosceptic. Have a look at his voting record on EU matters dating back to 1975 when he voted in favour of leaving the EEC. |
So you think that his 7/10 rating of the EU in 2016 and being in favour of the UK staying in were lies? Why?
A lot has happened since 1975. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:21 - Aug 24 with 903 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:04 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Sure. If it wasn't one of the classic canards about Corbyn that Badger and the other clowns still trot out. Labour voters voted Remain only very slightly less than the Lib Dems for goodness sake.
Will they address Labour's official Remain campaign? Expertly run into the shadows by Alan Johnson and on a flat Remain platform? Course not.
If anyone addresses what Corbyn actually did and said during the referendum campaign (without making stuff up) then that would be a start. |
what about the views of the chair of the labour in campaign? or are you going to find some reason why he doesn't count?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/corbyn-must-resign-inadequ [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 11:21]
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:31 - Aug 24 with 870 views | J2BLUE |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:41 - Aug 22 by DanTheMan |
Because of how much is going in.
Water companies have pumped raw sewage into Britain's seas and rivers for more than nine million hours since 2016, new data suggests.
The figure is an increase of 2,553% over five years, according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data, released under the Freedom of Information Act.
Outrageous that they've been getting away with it whilst making lovely profits. [Post edited 22 Aug 2022 15:42]
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That stat is absolutely insane.
Nine million hours. Nine million. Nine. Million. What the f##k? |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:36 - Aug 24 with 852 views | Darth_Koont |
Considering how "unimpeachably neutral" the Labour Right has consistently shown themselves to be (Spoiler alert: as neutral as your worst enemy!) then I'll file this under factional nonsense.
If you've taken even a passing look at the Forde report and the primary source Labour leaks document then you'd have to be a fool to take these accusations as read. Or accusations are your only currency anyway.
The holiday stuff is such a blatant smear that Swinson turned it into a 2-week holiday with almost no correction made in public.
And on a related note: Looking at the real world through the prism of sh!t and dishonest politics is exactly why the UK is where it is now. As we've seen, it's only people on the inside of that game who win from this. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:41 - Aug 24 with 831 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:36 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Considering how "unimpeachably neutral" the Labour Right has consistently shown themselves to be (Spoiler alert: as neutral as your worst enemy!) then I'll file this under factional nonsense.
If you've taken even a passing look at the Forde report and the primary source Labour leaks document then you'd have to be a fool to take these accusations as read. Or accusations are your only currency anyway.
The holiday stuff is such a blatant smear that Swinson turned it into a 2-week holiday with almost no correction made in public.
And on a related note: Looking at the real world through the prism of sh!t and dishonest politics is exactly why the UK is where it is now. As we've seen, it's only people on the inside of that game who win from this. |
jeez you're dull. any criticism of corbyn is a smear and dishonest politics. you're absolutely no different to a trump supporter who has dug in to defend his hero and dismisses everything else as a smear and a conspiracy. it's a very sad place that you've ended up. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:46 - Aug 24 with 809 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:41 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue |
jeez you're dull. any criticism of corbyn is a smear and dishonest politics. you're absolutely no different to a trump supporter who has dug in to defend his hero and dismisses everything else as a smear and a conspiracy. it's a very sad place that you've ended up. |
Oh please. Phil Wilson (or Alan Johnson) is as trustworthy on Corbyn and the left as you are.
By the way, where you've ended up is Spiked Online  | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:47 - Aug 24 with 809 views | noggin |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:41 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue |
jeez you're dull. any criticism of corbyn is a smear and dishonest politics. you're absolutely no different to a trump supporter who has dug in to defend his hero and dismisses everything else as a smear and a conspiracy. it's a very sad place that you've ended up. |
He's only dull to those who are unable to argue with him. That's when the 'jeez your dull' insults come out. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:47 - Aug 24 with 809 views | Beckets |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:17 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
So you think that his 7/10 rating of the EU in 2016 and being in favour of the UK staying in were lies? Why?
A lot has happened since 1975. |
What about 2011? He voted for a referendum on EU membership….was that with aim of reinforcing our membership of it I wonder? | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:57 - Aug 24 with 766 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:46 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Oh please. Phil Wilson (or Alan Johnson) is as trustworthy on Corbyn and the left as you are.
By the way, where you've ended up is Spiked Online |
so the person who ran the labour in campaign says that corbyn was useless during the referendum. and all you have is that he's being nasty to corbyn. you're like the trump supporters rounding on pence for not over turning the election. it's all a conspiracy. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:58 - Aug 24 with 753 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:47 - Aug 24 by Beckets |
What about 2011? He voted for a referendum on EU membership….was that with aim of reinforcing our membership of it I wonder? |
He's Remain and Reform definitely. So a referendum and surrounding discussion of EU membership was on his personal agenda.
And we haven't had a single actual government make a stronger case for the EU than that – instead they've been gaslighting the public over EU laws and single market principles like freedom of movement for decades.
What we do know is that Corbyn as leader took party democracy seriously and stated as a result that Labour were campaigning for Remain. Everything else is projection. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:07 - Aug 24 with 724 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:57 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue |
so the person who ran the labour in campaign says that corbyn was useless during the referendum. and all you have is that he's being nasty to corbyn. you're like the trump supporters rounding on pence for not over turning the election. it's all a conspiracy. |
Don't be so disingenuous.
Hey, maybe we should take Peter Mandelson's opinion on board while we're at it?
You lie and you support liars in politics. Please stop. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:15 - Aug 24 with 702 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:07 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
Don't be so disingenuous.
Hey, maybe we should take Peter Mandelson's opinion on board while we're at it?
You lie and you support liars in politics. Please stop. |
yes and you have a trumpian view of the media and anyone who disagrees with you. they're all liars.
have you thought about a horned headdress? | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:26 - Aug 24 with 677 views | Beckets |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 11:58 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
He's Remain and Reform definitely. So a referendum and surrounding discussion of EU membership was on his personal agenda.
And we haven't had a single actual government make a stronger case for the EU than that – instead they've been gaslighting the public over EU laws and single market principles like freedom of movement for decades.
What we do know is that Corbyn as leader took party democracy seriously and stated as a result that Labour were campaigning for Remain. Everything else is projection. |
Are you saying that Labour campaigned for Remain as the majority of membership and MPs were in that camp and therefore he felt that he must get behind that stance to demonstrate his belief in democracy? | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:28 - Aug 24 with 674 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:15 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue |
yes and you have a trumpian view of the media and anyone who disagrees with you. they're all liars.
have you thought about a horned headdress? |
In his non-factional and independent report that you and others mysteriously dodge, Forde called the Labour Party apparatus a Blairite “monoculture”. That’s also largely true of the PLP and the party grandees like Johnson and Mandelson.
They won’t call themselves liars but they certainly have woven a narrative to fiercely protect their and their backers’ interests – so the actual experiment with a member-led, democratic party and a democratic offer to the electorate based on the public’s interests needed to be buried and then p1ssed on.
You know all this of course. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:39 - Aug 24 with 654 views | lowhouseblue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:28 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
In his non-factional and independent report that you and others mysteriously dodge, Forde called the Labour Party apparatus a Blairite “monoculture”. That’s also largely true of the PLP and the party grandees like Johnson and Mandelson.
They won’t call themselves liars but they certainly have woven a narrative to fiercely protect their and their backers’ interests – so the actual experiment with a member-led, democratic party and a democratic offer to the electorate based on the public’s interests needed to be buried and then p1ssed on.
You know all this of course. |
dk - "fiercely protect their and their backers’ interests"
trump - "drain the swamp"
you could be twins. nutty left v. nutty right - there's no real difference. both believe in conspiracies, undermine the media, and put labels on opponent rather than engaging with what they say. if it doesn't fit it's a lie. you are the trumpian left. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:47 - Aug 24 with 625 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:26 - Aug 24 by Beckets |
Are you saying that Labour campaigned for Remain as the majority of membership and MPs were in that camp and therefore he felt that he must get behind that stance to demonstrate his belief in democracy? |
That was pushing his official leader position certainly. We saw that even in the second referendum compromise in 2019 – ultimately it boiled down to what Labour members and the PLP wanted. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:50 - Aug 24 with 607 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:39 - Aug 24 by lowhouseblue |
dk - "fiercely protect their and their backers’ interests"
trump - "drain the swamp"
you could be twins. nutty left v. nutty right - there's no real difference. both believe in conspiracies, undermine the media, and put labels on opponent rather than engaging with what they say. if it doesn't fit it's a lie. you are the trumpian left. |
Sigh. Always with the dishonest accusations and misrepresentations …
I know you can’t actually deal with what I’m saying but you’re a full-on parody now. 😀 | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:52 - Aug 24 with 592 views | Beckets |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:47 - Aug 24 by Darth_Koont |
That was pushing his official leader position certainly. We saw that even in the second referendum compromise in 2019 – ultimately it boiled down to what Labour members and the PLP wanted. |
So ‘toeing the line’ effectively. Contrasts with some of his behaviour as a backbencher. I would have had more respect for him if he’d been honest about his views on the EU and undemocratic institutions such as the monarchy and House of Lords etc whilst leader. | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:57 - Aug 24 with 569 views | DanTheMan |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 09:08 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I've just been listening to Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell discussing this on their weekly pod. Rory Stewart was a junior minister in the D of E under Lizz Truss.
He was saying that we are one of the few countries who use the same pipes for sewerage and fresh water. That it is a ridiculously outdated and unacceptable situation, and that to change to a two pipe system would have cost something like £300 billion, or the equivalent of £1000 a year extra on household water bills for the next 25 years.
He wasn't making excuses, and takes some responsibility for the current situation, but was simply laying down the reality.
At the time he was trying to scrape together a few million to improve air quality after a spate of deaths due to air pollution.
A very interesting listen. |
Unfortunately human beings are really bad at planning for long term, preferring short term benefits.
And boy does it show.
Also to those in the thread who have started a Corbyn discussion, glad to see yet another thread derailed by it. Could you folks just create one thread so those who aren't interested in seeing the same discussion for the 9 millionth time can just ignore it please? [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 13:04]
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:58 - Aug 24 with 559 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:52 - Aug 24 by Beckets |
So ‘toeing the line’ effectively. Contrasts with some of his behaviour as a backbencher. I would have had more respect for him if he’d been honest about his views on the EU and undemocratic institutions such as the monarchy and House of Lords etc whilst leader. |
Was he not honest?
And normally he’s accused of being too stuck in his “ideology” and unable to compromise. Here he compromises or at least doesn’t push his own opinions over the members or the PLP and that’s still a problem for the opposite reason.
It’s almost as if whatever he said and did people would find criticism – or more usually create a criticism to fit. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 13:01 - Aug 24 with 546 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 12:57 - Aug 24 by DanTheMan |
Unfortunately human beings are really bad at planning for long term, preferring short term benefits.
And boy does it show.
Also to those in the thread who have started a Corbyn discussion, glad to see yet another thread derailed by it. Could you folks just create one thread so those who aren't interested in seeing the same discussion for the 9 millionth time can just ignore it please? [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 13:04]
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Where have I mentioned Corbyn? | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 13:02 - Aug 24 with 544 views | DanTheMan |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 13:01 - Aug 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Where have I mentioned Corbyn? |
Should have made it clearer, not aimed at you but others. | |
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