| Sewage being pumped into the sea? 15:39 - Aug 22 with 6687 views | SitfcB |
Why is there a big thing being made out of this at the moment when it’s been going on for years and years?
It’s always been common knowledge that it happens hasn’t it? |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 17:02 - Aug 22 with 1646 views | HARRY10 |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:48 - Aug 22 by flettonblue |
Although it's been going on for years, they now have monitors on them(or will do soon) so the discharges can be counted and this gives a greater understanding of size and scale them there's been before.
Also the public and politicians more aware of this than ever given the current focus on water companies with drought/pipe leakage and previous misdemeanours with combined sewer overflow misuse,plus profits made since privatisation etc.
The regulation/enforcement will happen but it takes years to build casefiles for all this, thus the presumption of inactivity and weak rules/enforcers in-between time.
IMHO, companies have sweated assets and underinvested for years to maximise profits and not they're generally in such a bad state (which is magnified by climate change, population growth) that there's absolutely no quick fix for most of this were talking decades to mitigate this unless we all want our streets dug up to separate foul and clean/rain water? None of us as customers are getting the service we are/have paid for and likely to have to pay again now to overcome all this. Politicians could have given regulators new powers or laws to overcome some of this before now but have not for whatever reason. |
no need to dig up streets - much can be done by simply shoving a replacement pipe inside the old Victorian pipe
the problem is the looney idea that the private sector can deliver it cheaper - of course it can, but at what cost - when the imperative is profit, not service
we now have a railway system owned by Italian, Dutch, German state owned companies that the UK is now giving relatively higher subsidies to
privatisation was never more than asset stripping, backed by governments that intentionally reduced standards and regulation - hence the need to leave the EU - the very idea that we should have to meet the standards of Rumania, we are British, we demand the return of smog, polluted rivers and unswept streets
"Jacob Rees-Mogg has admitted that cutting public services was a prime reason for Brexit."
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-was-about-slashing-public-serv |  | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 17:17 - Aug 22 with 1606 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:48 - Aug 22 by flettonblue |
Although it's been going on for years, they now have monitors on them(or will do soon) so the discharges can be counted and this gives a greater understanding of size and scale them there's been before.
Also the public and politicians more aware of this than ever given the current focus on water companies with drought/pipe leakage and previous misdemeanours with combined sewer overflow misuse,plus profits made since privatisation etc.
The regulation/enforcement will happen but it takes years to build casefiles for all this, thus the presumption of inactivity and weak rules/enforcers in-between time.
IMHO, companies have sweated assets and underinvested for years to maximise profits and not they're generally in such a bad state (which is magnified by climate change, population growth) that there's absolutely no quick fix for most of this were talking decades to mitigate this unless we all want our streets dug up to separate foul and clean/rain water? None of us as customers are getting the service we are/have paid for and likely to have to pay again now to overcome all this. Politicians could have given regulators new powers or laws to overcome some of this before now but have not for whatever reason. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58040852.amp
Scottish sewage leaks into rivers and the sea have increased by 40pc in 5 years. Seems like nobody gives a Sh1t (no pun intended) about the environment we live in.
“ The defunding of regulators, self-reporting of incidents, and loose and vague targets has led to the decimation of rivers and the renewed sewage struggle on our coastline.
"The time for tough new legislation and binding targets to end sewage pollution has come.” | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 18:23 - Aug 22 with 1551 views | factual_blue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:49 - Aug 22 by TractorWood |
Joining the EU was the single best thing for our beaches and water standards. Successive Govs did nothing until we joined.
More sunlight uplands. |
Sunlit uplands. Ordure-covered beaches. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 18:26 - Aug 22 with 1549 views | GeoffSentence |
If not now, when?
That sewage has been pumped into our rivers and seas for years with nothing being done about it is a very good reason for making a big thing about it now rather than keep on leaving it. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 19:40 - Aug 22 with 1491 views | HARRY10 |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:49 - Aug 22 by TractorWood |
Joining the EU was the single best thing for our beaches and water standards. Successive Govs did nothing until we joined.
More sunlight uplands. |
2In October 2021, Tory MPs faced a backlash from constituents after voting against a Lords amendment to the Environment Bill that would have made water treatment companies culpable for sewage spillages into open water"
thems our betters thems is
"If you leave a dog poo on the coast it’s up to a £1000 fine for you. If you’re a water company and you want to pump millions of litres of raw sewage onto the beach and into the sea - no problem, Tory MPs will vote to allow you to do this."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58968871
note these words from above
"because it would have huge implications — including potentially digging up people’s homes and businesses"
Which is a lie. Now I expect Tory MPs to lie. That is part of what being a Tory MP is about. The real danger is there are righties (above) all too willing to regurgitate these lies to defend their 'betters'.
Much as with the £43,00 pa wage for dock workers claim, elsewhere. When challenged, they either go silent or revert to "project fear" ........ "master knows best...baa baa"
I can only wonder what motivates them....to post what they must know are lies. It certainly is not money, as I have found most brexiters are not the beneficiaries of owning capital, in fact quite the opposite.
Maybe it is some twisted hatred of their fellow man, some warped need to delude themselves that if they stick some red tape in their cap and carry an imitation swagger stick, they are not a private in the trenches, but a General in the chateau 20 mile back from the front. | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 19:41 - Aug 22 with 1491 views | XYZ |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:00 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
True that. If he'd had actually bothered his arse engaging with the young people he supposedly had a 'rapport' with rather than hiding, it might have swung the 2016 referendum.
There you go Sitters, that's your second ten pager in seven days. |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 19:48 - Aug 22 with 1488 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:49 - Aug 22 by TractorWood |
Joining the EU was the single best thing for our beaches and water standards. Successive Govs did nothing until we joined.
More sunlight uplands. |
Beaches in this country were a disgrace until we joined the EU. I remember people telling me of raw sewage washing up on them regularly.
While it would be impossible to prevent any discharge at all, regulations came in that fined companies to such a level that they were highly motivated to minimise those discharges.
Your question, Sitters, is like asking what is wrong with having every piece of food you consume completely rotten, if you eat the odd piece of food that is a day past its use by it does you no harm?
There is a world of difference between a little sewage occasionally released with a large storm to it regularly happening in large volumes. The difference in the effect on the environment generally is massive too. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:30 - Aug 22 with 1450 views | HARRY10 |
from dubs link
"The Tory leadership frontrunner, Liz Truss, was responsible for cutting millions of pounds of funding earmarked for tackling water pollution during her time as environment secretary"
“The fact that Liz Truss was the one to cut the EA so severely not only demonstrates her lack of foresight but also her lack of care for the detail, in recognising the need to adapt to the serious flooding that had just happened on her watch.”
I expect that like farmers, hauliers, red wallers, fishermen, exporters and others the numpties now electing Truss will only grasp what they have done once it directly hits them. | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:39 - Aug 22 with 1430 views | Dubtractor |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:30 - Aug 22 by HARRY10 |
from dubs link
"The Tory leadership frontrunner, Liz Truss, was responsible for cutting millions of pounds of funding earmarked for tackling water pollution during her time as environment secretary"
“The fact that Liz Truss was the one to cut the EA so severely not only demonstrates her lack of foresight but also her lack of care for the detail, in recognising the need to adapt to the serious flooding that had just happened on her watch.”
I expect that like farmers, hauliers, red wallers, fishermen, exporters and others the numpties now electing Truss will only grasp what they have done once it directly hits them. |
I am genuinely incredulous that Truss will be our PM in a few weeks. What on earth are these people thinking? |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:51 - Aug 22 with 1405 views | buoyant |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:39 - Aug 22 by Dubtractor |
I am genuinely incredulous that Truss will be our PM in a few weeks. What on earth are these people thinking? |
For themselves, nothing more, not the environment, society or even their children or at least their future.
Unfathomable. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 07:38 - Aug 23 with 1323 views | Mullet |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 08:01 - Aug 23 with 1302 views | DanTheMan |
As an aside, I always love it when cuts are defended with "better use of technology" as the panacea. There's only so much it can do, and the really good stuff is expensive. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 08:33 - Aug 23 with 1249 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:00 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
True that. If he'd had actually bothered his arse engaging with the young people he supposedly had a 'rapport' with rather than hiding, it might have swung the 2016 referendum.
There you go Sitters, that's your second ten pager in seven days. |
Still pumping out that BS I see.
And if you misrepresent, demonise and lie about what was effectively social democracy then you don’t really have anything to complain about now. That would be pretty shameless and hypocritical. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 09:29 - Aug 23 with 1189 views | noggin |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 08:33 - Aug 23 by Darth_Koont |
Still pumping out that BS I see.
And if you misrepresent, demonise and lie about what was effectively social democracy then you don’t really have anything to complain about now. That would be pretty shameless and hypocritical. |
100%. Not sure how an NHS nurse can reject that. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 09:41 - Aug 23 with 1162 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 09:29 - Aug 23 by noggin |
100%. Not sure how an NHS nurse can reject that. |
When we have nurses, teachers or anyone else in need of political commitment and investment fighting to preserve the neoliberal status quo, then you know that the UK is unfortunately getting the politics and governments it deserves. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:12 - Aug 23 with 1054 views | HARRY10 |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 07:38 - Aug 23 by Mullet |
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Scroll down to read what the bloaters latest bint had to say in 2017
it was
" Vince Cable wrong to say we will dilute environmental standards. Gove, is clear if anything, that we can have higher standards"
This witless bimbo is either utterly clueless or lying through her teeth. The whole point of Brexit was for the UK to be free of compliance with EU standards. Even the thickest would grasp these were minimums, not absolutes - so there was never a case that the EU held down standards.
It was that standards cost. Remove the requirement and the cost drops ie more money for shareholders.
It might just occur to the thickos that they are the ones, among the rest of us, generating those dividends by operating the work places. So why the f*** would you vote for a cut in work place safety, your pay, holidays, environmental protections etc ?
As said, it can only be through a gutless subservience where the believe is "master knows best....baa baa" | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 18:03 - Aug 23 with 1011 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:48 - Aug 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Welsh Water is not for profit and has also been dumping sewage, and according to Ofwat one of the worst for % of leaks fixed. The profit just seems to be the icing on the cake.
Surely the laws need to be tightened up, or are the regulators are toothless? |
True. Worth noting that Wales is better in terms of the %age of rivers of good ecological status than England. In the recent spate of incidents, I only saw reports of 1 coastal sewage discharge compared to many reported in England. We haven’t been closing beaches either. But I’m not defending them - things could be a lot better. |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 18:17 - Aug 23 with 1003 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 07:38 - Aug 23 by Mullet |
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We don’t need to maintain records or provide data to Eionet now after leaving the EU, so that’s one way to ‘solve’ problematic pictures like this. Just make them go away by ignoring them. | |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:17 - Aug 23 with 955 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 19:40 - Aug 22 by HARRY10 |
2In October 2021, Tory MPs faced a backlash from constituents after voting against a Lords amendment to the Environment Bill that would have made water treatment companies culpable for sewage spillages into open water"
thems our betters thems is
"If you leave a dog poo on the coast it’s up to a £1000 fine for you. If you’re a water company and you want to pump millions of litres of raw sewage onto the beach and into the sea - no problem, Tory MPs will vote to allow you to do this."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58968871
note these words from above
"because it would have huge implications — including potentially digging up people’s homes and businesses"
Which is a lie. Now I expect Tory MPs to lie. That is part of what being a Tory MP is about. The real danger is there are righties (above) all too willing to regurgitate these lies to defend their 'betters'.
Much as with the £43,00 pa wage for dock workers claim, elsewhere. When challenged, they either go silent or revert to "project fear" ........ "master knows best...baa baa"
I can only wonder what motivates them....to post what they must know are lies. It certainly is not money, as I have found most brexiters are not the beneficiaries of owning capital, in fact quite the opposite.
Maybe it is some twisted hatred of their fellow man, some warped need to delude themselves that if they stick some red tape in their cap and carry an imitation swagger stick, they are not a private in the trenches, but a General in the chateau 20 mile back from the front. |
"2In October 2021, Tory MPs faced a backlash from constituents after voting against a Lords amendment to the Environment Bill that would have made water treatment companies culpable for sewage spillages into open water"
At the risk of a balanced argument without misrepresentation that isn't entirely true. One of the reasons the bill was voted against was because it would have completely banned the use of emergency storm overflows.
In fact, the recent problem was caused because the storms created an excess of water that couldn't be absorbed by the earth because it was bone dry and rock solid. It therefore went straight into the drains where the emergency storm overflows were flooded and the water companies pumped that straight into the rivers which led the sea.
If the storm overflows were banned then sewage would end up in the streets and fields.
Now then, let's be clear. The fact that the water bosses are paid massive bonus's while we leak the equivalent of 1000 Olympic swimming pools a day is nothing short of a disgrace and the sewage system is victorian and needs sorting out.
It is already enshrined in law that water companies should take all reasonable efforts not to pump raw swage into the waterways but here's the problem.....
.....The problem is not that we are no longer part of an EU directive as our own directive covers the same thing. The problem is that The European Union are no longer there to take us to court. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 20:47]
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 22:48 - Aug 23 with 892 views | HARRY10 |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 20:17 - Aug 23 by Lord_Lucan |
"2In October 2021, Tory MPs faced a backlash from constituents after voting against a Lords amendment to the Environment Bill that would have made water treatment companies culpable for sewage spillages into open water"
At the risk of a balanced argument without misrepresentation that isn't entirely true. One of the reasons the bill was voted against was because it would have completely banned the use of emergency storm overflows.
In fact, the recent problem was caused because the storms created an excess of water that couldn't be absorbed by the earth because it was bone dry and rock solid. It therefore went straight into the drains where the emergency storm overflows were flooded and the water companies pumped that straight into the rivers which led the sea.
If the storm overflows were banned then sewage would end up in the streets and fields.
Now then, let's be clear. The fact that the water bosses are paid massive bonus's while we leak the equivalent of 1000 Olympic swimming pools a day is nothing short of a disgrace and the sewage system is victorian and needs sorting out.
It is already enshrined in law that water companies should take all reasonable efforts not to pump raw swage into the waterways but here's the problem.....
.....The problem is not that we are no longer part of an EU directive as our own directive covers the same thing. The problem is that The European Union are no longer there to take us to court. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 20:47]
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What the amendment actually stated was
"The Lords agreed an amendment to the Environment Bill that would put a legal duty on water companies and the government to demonstrate progressive reductions in discharges of untreated sewage and required them to "take all reasonable steps" to avoid using combined sewer overflows."
"to demonstrate progressive reductions "
Nothing in that suggests "If the storm overflows were banned then sewage would end up in the streets and fields. ". That is not so much scaremongering, as an outright lie. And it comes from the release Tory MPs spewed out in response.
"because it would have completely banned the use of emergency storm overflows. "
Where this came from I have no idea, but it smacks of the same stuff put out by Brexiters. If it fits our argument we'll use it. Irrespective of the thought that even the most cursory search would demonstrate it was incorrect.
In this case do you think the Lords would try to amend a bill that would have that affect ? Also, the bill was passed contrary to what you state, it was the Lords amendments that were voted down.
"Under new rules, there will be a duty on water companies to reduce the impact of sewage discharges from storm overflows. This means the organisations will be required by law to show a reduction in sewage overspills over the next five years."
explained here
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/26/uk-government-u-turns-on-sew | | | |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 23:01 - Aug 23 with 881 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 09:41 - Aug 23 by Darth_Koont |
When we have nurses, teachers or anyone else in need of political commitment and investment fighting to preserve the neoliberal status quo, then you know that the UK is unfortunately getting the politics and governments it deserves. |
I think what Badge is saying is that if Corbyn had used his platform to encourage young people to vote Remain, the referendum may have had a different outcome...not sure how social democracy and neoliberalism come into it? |  |
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| It’s all about the OFWAT regulatory framework and control period on 23:26 - Aug 23 with 876 views | unstableblue |
… and the offshore ownership (in the main) of our water utilities
OFWAT and the water companies will rightly state that water quality has improved since privatisation, but that was from a terribly low bar, and we are lagging well behind our European neighbours.
A lot of focus on costal pollution but our river water, especially in England, at the moment is dire.
Just head to Sudbury or the Dedham Vale or the Cam and it’s deteriorated noticeably in the last decade.
Keeping it simple OFWAT sets price control period with a number of ODIs which incentivise behaviours and expenditure… whilst agreeing a water price to consumers. Some periods big focus on customer service, carbon reduction…. Etc
But put very simply there hasn’t been enough capital expenditure on sewage treatment works, that’s the bottom line. And OFWAT allows raw sewage discharge in certain circumstances such as heavy rain, pandemic chemical supply chain…. And perversely sometimes it’s better to take the fine, than increase CAPEX/OPEX…. And all the while the water companies have to make a return to foreign investors
The environmental and water quality a government provides to its citizens, really is a sign of its effectiveness and level of advancement - no surprise the UK is in such a state |  |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 23:35 - Aug 23 with 869 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 22:48 - Aug 23 by HARRY10 |
What the amendment actually stated was
"The Lords agreed an amendment to the Environment Bill that would put a legal duty on water companies and the government to demonstrate progressive reductions in discharges of untreated sewage and required them to "take all reasonable steps" to avoid using combined sewer overflows."
"to demonstrate progressive reductions "
Nothing in that suggests "If the storm overflows were banned then sewage would end up in the streets and fields. ". That is not so much scaremongering, as an outright lie. And it comes from the release Tory MPs spewed out in response.
"because it would have completely banned the use of emergency storm overflows. "
Where this came from I have no idea, but it smacks of the same stuff put out by Brexiters. If it fits our argument we'll use it. Irrespective of the thought that even the most cursory search would demonstrate it was incorrect.
In this case do you think the Lords would try to amend a bill that would have that affect ? Also, the bill was passed contrary to what you state, it was the Lords amendments that were voted down.
"Under new rules, there will be a duty on water companies to reduce the impact of sewage discharges from storm overflows. This means the organisations will be required by law to show a reduction in sewage overspills over the next five years."
explained here
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/26/uk-government-u-turns-on-sew |
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| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 08:25 - Aug 24 with 802 views | buoyant |
| Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 22:48 - Aug 23 by HARRY10 |
What the amendment actually stated was
"The Lords agreed an amendment to the Environment Bill that would put a legal duty on water companies and the government to demonstrate progressive reductions in discharges of untreated sewage and required them to "take all reasonable steps" to avoid using combined sewer overflows."
"to demonstrate progressive reductions "
Nothing in that suggests "If the storm overflows were banned then sewage would end up in the streets and fields. ". That is not so much scaremongering, as an outright lie. And it comes from the release Tory MPs spewed out in response.
"because it would have completely banned the use of emergency storm overflows. "
Where this came from I have no idea, but it smacks of the same stuff put out by Brexiters. If it fits our argument we'll use it. Irrespective of the thought that even the most cursory search would demonstrate it was incorrect.
In this case do you think the Lords would try to amend a bill that would have that affect ? Also, the bill was passed contrary to what you state, it was the Lords amendments that were voted down.
"Under new rules, there will be a duty on water companies to reduce the impact of sewage discharges from storm overflows. This means the organisations will be required by law to show a reduction in sewage overspills over the next five years."
explained here
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/26/uk-government-u-turns-on-sew |
It is a fact that if storm overflows were banned (blocked up) then sewage would back up an spill on the streets as much of the urban drainage systems are combined foul and surface water. | |
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