| Republican arrested in Oxford 15:56 - Sep 11 with 7023 views | Mullet |
What do we reckon was going on in Oxford then? |  |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 18:38 - Sep 12 with 1075 views | bluelagos |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 18:34 - Sep 12 by GlasgowBlue |
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Glad to hear it. Wonder what they will say about their officer and his interaction with a guy who was holding an empty piece of A4 paper? |  |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 20:31 - Sep 12 with 1001 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 18:38 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
Glad to hear it. Wonder what they will say about their officer and his interaction with a guy who was holding an empty piece of A4 paper? |
All joking aside, nicking people for expressing an opinion isn't very British. |  |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 20:59 - Sep 12 with 987 views | Zx1988 |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 20:31 - Sep 12 by GlasgowBlue |
All joking aside, nicking people for expressing an opinion isn't very British. |
Shockingly enough Lagos isn't even joking.
A chap decided to hold up a blank sheet of A4 paper in Parliament Square and was asked for his details.
He asked what would happen if he was to write 'not my king' on said paper, and was told that he would immediately be arrested under s.5 Public Order Act for causing offence.
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:11 - Sep 12 with 964 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 20:59 - Sep 12 by Zx1988 |
Shockingly enough Lagos isn't even joking.
A chap decided to hold up a blank sheet of A4 paper in Parliament Square and was asked for his details.
He asked what would happen if he was to write 'not my king' on said paper, and was told that he would immediately be arrested under s.5 Public Order Act for causing offence.
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Literally Putinesque. |  |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:25 - Sep 12 with 944 views | Zx1988 |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:11 - Sep 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Literally Putinesque. |
Right out of the Russia/Belarus/North Korea playbook.
But there's apparently nothing to see here, as we're a fully-functioning democracy, and definitely not one of those banana republics that we used to point and laugh at. | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:41 - Sep 12 with 928 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 20:59 - Sep 12 by Zx1988 |
Shockingly enough Lagos isn't even joking.
A chap decided to hold up a blank sheet of A4 paper in Parliament Square and was asked for his details.
He asked what would happen if he was to write 'not my king' on said paper, and was told that he would immediately be arrested under s.5 Public Order Act for causing offence.
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Good god, that appears real (unless he's staged it with someone, as I can't tell if that's a genuine officer).
If true, that's awful. This is what people worried about with Patel's fascist Policing Act. it gave the police extra powers to clamp down on one-person protests (so not really protests at all as we know them).
We're on a dangerous path. [Post edited 12 Sep 2022 21:41]
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:42 - Sep 12 with 926 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 20:31 - Sep 12 by GlasgowBlue |
All joking aside, nicking people for expressing an opinion isn't very British. |
It is now  | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:56 - Sep 12 with 905 views | bluelagos |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:41 - Sep 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Good god, that appears real (unless he's staged it with someone, as I can't tell if that's a genuine officer).
If true, that's awful. This is what people worried about with Patel's fascist Policing Act. it gave the police extra powers to clamp down on one-person protests (so not really protests at all as we know them).
We're on a dangerous path. [Post edited 12 Sep 2022 21:41]
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It is real. Bloke is a solicitor. | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:58 - Sep 12 with 901 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:56 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
It is real. Bloke is a solicitor. |
Unbelievable. I hate to think where this is going to end up. | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 22:06 - Sep 12 with 888 views | bluelagos |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 21:58 - Sep 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Unbelievable. I hate to think where this is going to end up. |
Is the answer where the police can largely behave with impunity with completely ineffective structures to hold them to account when officers individually or collectively abuse their powers?
No change there then. | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 07:36 - Sep 13 with 778 views | Cafe_Newman |
There's no halfway house with free speech. It's either absolute or its not free. If there are time or location constraints, then it ain't free.
If what is said by a minority voice is objectionable, society serves as a feedback and moderates behaviour. That's how it's supposed to work. It's not always pretty but it's the price you pay for freedom.
Policing speech is going down a very slippery path and any defense or understanding of their actions is more than a trifle worryingly. |  | | |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 07:52 - Sep 13 with 767 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 09:27 - Sep 12 by BlueRaider |
Stunt, deliberately put an expletive on the sign to get arrested, then make a fuss about freedom of speech |
I think you're probably right but it could also be argued that it's a controlled opposition sign. A front page photo of an expletive on one prominent sign will likely tar a huge peaceful protest in the minds of the general public. Very easy to arrange. | | | |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 09:06 - Sep 13 with 726 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 07:36 - Sep 13 by Cafe_Newman |
There's no halfway house with free speech. It's either absolute or its not free. If there are time or location constraints, then it ain't free.
If what is said by a minority voice is objectionable, society serves as a feedback and moderates behaviour. That's how it's supposed to work. It's not always pretty but it's the price you pay for freedom.
Policing speech is going down a very slippery path and any defense or understanding of their actions is more than a trifle worryingly. |
People are free to say whatever we want, when we want, how we want…
They do seem very twitchy in particular around the royals. There’s an interesting little article in the Big Issue that talks about this, and includes examples from other royal events. https://www.bigissue.com/news/activism/why-are-anti-monarchy-protesters-being-ar | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 09:23 - Sep 13 with 711 views | chicoazul |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 07:36 - Sep 13 by Cafe_Newman |
There's no halfway house with free speech. It's either absolute or its not free. If there are time or location constraints, then it ain't free.
If what is said by a minority voice is objectionable, society serves as a feedback and moderates behaviour. That's how it's supposed to work. It's not always pretty but it's the price you pay for freedom.
Policing speech is going down a very slippery path and any defense or understanding of their actions is more than a trifle worryingly. |
Like so many English things there absolutely is a halfway house. And we have policed speech in this country for a very very long time. Respectfully there seem to be a lot of people ITT who simply don’t know how the world works. |  |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 09:26 - Sep 13 with 699 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 18:29 - Sep 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What so a bit like opposing the war in Putin's Russia ? |
This may have been touched upon on the thread but haven’t had time to catch up on TW4TD of late.
I think it’s about a time and a place.
If I were a Man U fan and pitched up at a Liverpool celebratory parade of winning the FA Cup with a big MAN U banner and shouting anti Liverpool things I would likely be arrested for a breach of the peace - even if only for my own safety. |  |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 00:01 - Sep 14 with 621 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 09:23 - Sep 13 by chicoazul |
Like so many English things there absolutely is a halfway house. And we have policed speech in this country for a very very long time. Respectfully there seem to be a lot of people ITT who simply don’t know how the world works. |
What you say is absolutely correct, we have policed speech in this country for a very very long time.
My point is that it isn't free speech if it's policed in this way. | | | |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 01:39 - Sep 14 with 604 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 00:01 - Sep 14 by Cafe_Newman |
What you say is absolutely correct, we have policed speech in this country for a very very long time.
My point is that it isn't free speech if it's policed in this way. |
I think my biggest issue here is Chico starting a sentence with “And” | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 08:11 - Sep 14 with 553 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 01:39 - Sep 14 by Lord_Lucan |
I think my biggest issue here is Chico starting a sentence with “And” |
With that sort of attitude to someone's freedom of expression, one might say you're part of the wider problem. 🤔🤣 | | | |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 08:27 - Sep 14 with 530 views | chicoazul |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 01:39 - Sep 14 by Lord_Lucan |
I think my biggest issue here is Chico starting a sentence with “And” |
If it’s good enough for Cormac McCarthy it’s good enough for me! | |
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| Republican arrested in Oxford on 10:55 - Sep 14 with 500 views | itfcjoe |
| Republican arrested in Oxford on 17:38 - Sep 12 by Swansea_Blue |
'Free speech should only mean doing what I want them to do' isn't really free speech at all is it. If we can't let people voice dissent, then we're no better of than a dictatorship.
Although the idea has some potential. We could arrest people who don't vociferously support their own football team. Any silences (silent resistance obviously), audible grumbles or boos, get them in front of a judge. Or just skip that stage and take them straight to a cultural correction unit. |
Where does this end though? If during the minutes silence when Sir Bobby Robson died someone was shouting 'F**k Bobby Robson' then they'd likely get removed and arrested but probably not charged
If someone turns up a t funeral and holds up signs about someone, or abuses their family again the same would happen.
Ultimately people are choosing to disrupt sombre occasions and spoil them for people wanting to show their respects, whilst people are allowed to protest these are almost public order offences and the sort of stuff that see people removed from situations in every town centre on weekly basis |  |
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