| Burns again 09:51 - Oct 16 with 4162 views | FrimleyBlue |
Can people stop trying to defend his lack of quality this season on teams marking him differently. YES there are, BUT through 90 minutes he still has opportunities that present themselves where he can get behind the defender with space in behind, but he's not doing it. He's not kicking and running, he's not dropping a shoulder and trying to burst into the box as often as he did last season.
Something is off with him, no idea what it is, but he is a shadow of his previous self and it's getting to the point that our left side is becoming more dangerous than our right and that needs to change. Edwards and Jackson have both showed what can be done with a bit of desire to get at players... we need that Burns back for more than 1 game, he showed it a couple of weeks back, but he's gone backwards again.
In previous posts, the defence of him varies between balance with the left side, being tightly marked. That has 0 effect on what he does when opportunities present themselves. Time for a few bench appearences imo. |  |
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| Burns again on 09:57 - Oct 16 with 3487 views | blueislander |
With all due respect I think that Kieran McKenna is a better judge of a player than you, and when he decides to drop him, I’ll go with him. To single out just one player after one of our poorer displays is your typical myopic supporter reaction. How many times do you go to a match and having someone near you who just continually moans about one particular player? That really winds me up. |  | | |
| Burns again on 10:02 - Oct 16 with 3457 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Burns again on 09:57 - Oct 16 by blueislander |
With all due respect I think that Kieran McKenna is a better judge of a player than you, and when he decides to drop him, I’ll go with him. To single out just one player after one of our poorer displays is your typical myopic supporter reaction. How many times do you go to a match and having someone near you who just continually moans about one particular player? That really winds me up. |
Oh so shut the forum down, discussing players isn;t allowed as we're not KM.
Oh and btw, i've spoke of Harness and Chaplin, but ignoring other posts is a typical myopic forum user reaction ;)
out of interest btw as you took time to post... what are your thoughts on his performances.. [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 10:04]
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| Burns again on 10:11 - Oct 16 with 3416 views | blueislander |
| Burns again on 10:02 - Oct 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Oh so shut the forum down, discussing players isn;t allowed as we're not KM.
Oh and btw, i've spoke of Harness and Chaplin, but ignoring other posts is a typical myopic forum user reaction ;)
out of interest btw as you took time to post... what are your thoughts on his performances.. [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 10:04]
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In the matches I have seen Burns has got in behind defences more often than any other Town player.
Singling out just one player for criticism when the team collectively has not performed well is not a great thing to do imo. [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 10:27]
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| Burns again on 10:26 - Oct 16 with 3377 views | Simonds92 |
On the whole i think he's been good this season. However the past month (apart from Portsmouth where he was fantastic) he's looked average and particularly yesterday he wasn't at it. Looks like he's holding back a bit? Is he carrying a slight knock or is he trying to avoid injury with the world cup coming up? | | | |
| Burns again on 10:32 - Oct 16 with 3338 views | Rozz |
Agree he's not the best start to the season, but he came back from internationals looking bang up for it again and just looks to be struggling for consistency. I didn't think he played particularly badly yesterday.
They did a very good job of sticking 2 or 3 players tight to Chaplin and Harness, prevented us from forming our triangles and congested the space Burns would ordinarily attack. Burns is tidy enough but looks best when he can open his legs up, and we didn't get any space for that with Lincoln playing 10-0-1 second half.
Personally would stick with him and try to get his confidence back. I love Kyle Edwards off the bench when we're turning the screw but I don't think he's going to get up and down or cover the way Burns does. |  | | |
| Burns again on 10:39 - Oct 16 with 3307 views | Guthrum |
It might simply be natural variation in form. Players (outside the very top level) don't often seem to be able to sustain season after season at peak performance.
Look at Daryl Murphy, for example. Everything came together for him in the outstanding 2014-15 season. Either side of that, while still good, it was not at quite the same level.
Perhaps we got "peak Wes Burns" in 2021-22, but currently have "normal-but-still-decent Wes Burns". The reduced down-time in the summer may not have helped in keeping him fresh. |  |
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| Burns again on 12:33 - Oct 16 with 3178 views | Juggsy |
Looking at it, you'd be inclined to think that Burns is playing within himself so far this season. Whether that is because of the opposition putting more emphasis on shutting him down, his shorter pre-season due to International games or if he simply has his eye on the WC squad and is desperate not to get injured is the matter for discussion. I'd be worried about the form of Edwards at this time if I was Burns as he surely has a good shout for his spot on current form. |  | | |
| Burns again on 12:50 - Oct 16 with 3130 views | pointofblue |
| Burns again on 12:33 - Oct 16 by Juggsy |
Looking at it, you'd be inclined to think that Burns is playing within himself so far this season. Whether that is because of the opposition putting more emphasis on shutting him down, his shorter pre-season due to International games or if he simply has his eye on the WC squad and is desperate not to get injured is the matter for discussion. I'd be worried about the form of Edwards at this time if I was Burns as he surely has a good shout for his spot on current form. |
Though, from memory, Edwards struggled last week at Morecambe when playing right wing back. It was only when he switched to number ten that he was more lively and made an impact. If anything Chaplin and Harness should be looking over their shoulders. I agree, Burns has not been great, but the form of those two has been poor too. Plus Ladapo had a poor day, which he tends to do once every two or three games. | |
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| Burns again on 13:37 - Oct 16 with 3012 views | Scuzzer |
Prospect of making the World Cup init. |  |
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| Burns again on 15:56 - Oct 16 with 2851 views | DavoIPB |
| Burns again on 13:37 - Oct 16 by Scuzzer |
Prospect of making the World Cup init. |
100% one eye on world cup. Having said that he doesn't seem that different to last season. If he comes up against a decent left back he doesn't get past. Their left back was a good player yesterday. His crossing last year was poor and he scored some goals but more often than not blasted over. What he does have in his favour is he controls the ball really well, passing is good and because of his threat he takes two opposition players out of the game. | | | |
| Burns again on 17:03 - Oct 16 with 2749 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Burns again on 15:56 - Oct 16 by DavoIPB |
100% one eye on world cup. Having said that he doesn't seem that different to last season. If he comes up against a decent left back he doesn't get past. Their left back was a good player yesterday. His crossing last year was poor and he scored some goals but more often than not blasted over. What he does have in his favour is he controls the ball really well, passing is good and because of his threat he takes two opposition players out of the game. |
100%. If you're in with an outside shot of making a World Cup squad on the strength of your most impressive performances, a surefire way to cement your seat on the plane is to make sure you deliberately don't play the way that got you noticed in the first place. | | | |
| Burns again on 17:29 - Oct 16 with 2687 views | braveblue |
| Burns again on 10:11 - Oct 16 by blueislander |
In the matches I have seen Burns has got in behind defences more often than any other Town player.
Singling out just one player for criticism when the team collectively has not performed well is not a great thing to do imo. [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 10:27]
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He was very poor yesterday and I thought should have made way for Edwards at half time. All players lose form from time to time. That’s all it is but he may need a rest as we had nothing down the right until changes were made. | | | |
| Burns again on 18:06 - Oct 16 with 2627 views | Yallop2 |
Short memory pal. Last week at Morecambe Jackson was very poor and came off after an hour.
Burns came on and linked great with Donacien for the last half hour. |  | | |
| Burns again on 18:23 - Oct 16 with 2594 views | textbackup |
there's something different this season, no doubt about it, and having watched him yesterday it's not the "opposition doubled up on him"
Hes 6'2", built fantastically, with raw power and pace, and a great touch. but he seems really reluctant to "get at his man" in games. granted he won't beat him every time, but there will be occasions when his directness could/would cause an issue.
I'm having Edwards over him currently, no contest for me. |  |
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| Burns again on 20:58 - Oct 16 with 2390 views | Wickets |
| Burns again on 12:33 - Oct 16 by Juggsy |
Looking at it, you'd be inclined to think that Burns is playing within himself so far this season. Whether that is because of the opposition putting more emphasis on shutting him down, his shorter pre-season due to International games or if he simply has his eye on the WC squad and is desperate not to get injured is the matter for discussion. I'd be worried about the form of Edwards at this time if I was Burns as he surely has a good shout for his spot on current form. |
I agree this is a sensible post for me without wishing to slagg Wes off he has not been in his form of last season and for me if anything he was more double marked last season than he has been this , the reason we have a much better left side now than we did last year. Edwards of course can play left or right and yesterday we looked better when the pacey Jackson came on and JJ pushed forward to break the lines . |  | | |
| Burns again on 21:18 - Oct 16 with 2365 views | Stewart27 |
I pretty much agree with you in the main.
However, your point about the left side is strange. The fact our left side is more dangerous is down to how bloody good Davis is. We were crying out for this last season, so now we shouldn’t use this as a stick to beat the right side with. We’re really good down both flanks now!
But I do agree Burns is 90% the player he was last year. | | | |
| Burns again on 07:32 - Oct 17 with 2149 views | SheffordBlue |
| Burns again on 21:18 - Oct 16 by Stewart27 |
I pretty much agree with you in the main.
However, your point about the left side is strange. The fact our left side is more dangerous is down to how bloody good Davis is. We were crying out for this last season, so now we shouldn’t use this as a stick to beat the right side with. We’re really good down both flanks now!
But I do agree Burns is 90% the player he was last year. |
I think part of the reason the left is looking good is due to the work on the right. We tend it play it around a lot more there between JD/Burns/Chaplin and Evans or Morsy. This drags opposition players in before we trying to shift it out to the left, often via an Evans cross-field ball. This gives Davis has more space to run into with his pace.
Agree that Burns doesn't look to take on his man as much as he has done previously - thought their left back matched him for pace on Saturday although then struggled to match Jackson | |
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| Burns again on 08:00 - Oct 17 with 2092 views | tractorboy1978 |
He set an incredibly high bar last season. He's not looked as good or effective but he hasn't been poor by any means. There are likely a number of factors and it's clearly wrong to say the way teams set up to play against him isn't a factor. He's also the player in our squad that had the least break and chance to reset over the summer. | | | |
| Burns again on 08:28 - Oct 17 with 2064 views | Simonds92 |
| Burns again on 18:23 - Oct 16 by textbackup |
there's something different this season, no doubt about it, and having watched him yesterday it's not the "opposition doubled up on him"
Hes 6'2", built fantastically, with raw power and pace, and a great touch. but he seems really reluctant to "get at his man" in games. granted he won't beat him every time, but there will be occasions when his directness could/would cause an issue.
I'm having Edwards over him currently, no contest for me. |
He's 5 ft 9 literally just a couple of inches taller than Chaplin. | | | |
| Burns again on 12:18 - Oct 17 with 1900 views | textbackup |
| Burns again on 08:28 - Oct 17 by Simonds92 |
He's 5 ft 9 literally just a couple of inches taller than Chaplin. |
Na not having that he’s only 5’9” | |
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| Burns again on 12:20 - Oct 17 with 1879 views | Cotty |
| Burns again on 10:02 - Oct 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Oh so shut the forum down, discussing players isn;t allowed as we're not KM.
Oh and btw, i've spoke of Harness and Chaplin, but ignoring other posts is a typical myopic forum user reaction ;)
out of interest btw as you took time to post... what are your thoughts on his performances.. [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 10:04]
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Fishers??! |  | | |
| Burns again on 12:25 - Oct 17 with 1848 views | ReusersTown |
| Burns again on 18:23 - Oct 16 by textbackup |
there's something different this season, no doubt about it, and having watched him yesterday it's not the "opposition doubled up on him"
Hes 6'2", built fantastically, with raw power and pace, and a great touch. but he seems really reluctant to "get at his man" in games. granted he won't beat him every time, but there will be occasions when his directness could/would cause an issue.
I'm having Edwards over him currently, no contest for me. |
I'm sorry what!? I can't get over that you think Burns is 6ft2! | | | |
| Burns again on 12:35 - Oct 17 with 1800 views | Bluebell |
| Burns again on 12:25 - Oct 17 by ReusersTown |
I'm sorry what!? I can't get over that you think Burns is 6ft2! |
Wiki says he’s 1.73m which is 5ft 9ins in old money. |  | | |
| Burns again on 12:41 - Oct 17 with 1775 views | sotd78 |
It's an opinion. Not a correct one in MY opinion. But there you go. |  |
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| Burns again on 12:44 - Oct 17 with 1754 views | Simonds92 |
| Burns again on 12:18 - Oct 17 by textbackup |
Na not having that he’s only 5’9” |
Shows the stature of the man you think he's 6 ft 2! Also shows how well he does in the air considering. There is no way he's anywhere near 6ft! | | | |
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