| Who was the last great striker we had? 22:13 - Nov 16 with 6905 views | backinbeige |
Daryl Murphy?
Marcus Stewart?
…Alex Mathie (thanks for the post)?
……Paul Mariner? |  |
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 22:51 - Nov 17 with 1077 views | Melford |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 23:15 - Nov 16 by mylittletown |
Darren Bent was the last really top class striker who played for us. |
Probably the best player we had through the academy, really kicked on when he left and bagged a hundred goals in the Prem. Compared to Rhodes and Wickham who were the other big striker talent we sold he's miles out in front. |  |
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 22:59 - Nov 17 with 1065 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 21:00 - Nov 17 by ArnieM |
Tbf he only had one purple season in all his numerous periods of time with us. He secured his final big money move to Sunderland based on that. But throughout his career, I don’t think He rarely got into double figures throughout most of his career. He was a great hold up player and played his role well, but as a striker he was that good as regards sticking it the net ( bar that one season) . |
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 07:29 - Nov 18 with 1028 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 07:42 - Nov 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The idea that Paul Mariner wasn't a great striker is very silly indeed, even by your trolling standards.
Finidi George was a Forward (depends on how Striker is defined as to whether he fits the original question) who played for us at the end of a great career. But claiming him as an answer to this question is as laughable as the Budgies claiming Martin Peters as one of their greatest ever players just because he wanted to pootle around the Broads for a couple of years as he neared retirement.
Wow! This trolling answer lark is easy, isn't it? |
You seem a tad sensitive to the difference between very good and great. All I’m saying is Mariner wasn’t anywhere near as good as Ray Crawford. A very good all round player for sure - but the key contribution of a ‘great’ striker must surely be goals - and Crawford scored at twice the rate of Mariner in a more demanding era. If your life depended on a striker scoring 20 goals in a season you’d be lighting up a celebratory cigar every year with Crawford - but choosing your funeral hymns every year with Mariner
These sort of questions tend to get very personal answers based on who looks best in rose-tinted -memories - not to mention a lax definition of ‘great’ |  |
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 07:59 - Nov 18 with 1010 views | Churchman |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 07:29 - Nov 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
You seem a tad sensitive to the difference between very good and great. All I’m saying is Mariner wasn’t anywhere near as good as Ray Crawford. A very good all round player for sure - but the key contribution of a ‘great’ striker must surely be goals - and Crawford scored at twice the rate of Mariner in a more demanding era. If your life depended on a striker scoring 20 goals in a season you’d be lighting up a celebratory cigar every year with Crawford - but choosing your funeral hymns every year with Mariner
These sort of questions tend to get very personal answers based on who looks best in rose-tinted -memories - not to mention a lax definition of ‘great’ |
I don’t suppose you saw either play live, but are you seriously suggesting that the late 50s/early 60s was a more demanding than the 70s/80s? Wow. I’d be interested in the view of anyone who witnessed both eras and Crawford / Mariner in their prime. I only saw Ray at the end of his career.
You are quick to emphasise goalscoring stats so I’ll give you an alternative. Crawford - 2 England caps. Mariner - 35 England caps. Mariner scored all his Ipswich goals in the first division. I’m guessing by looking at the dates that Crawford scored goals in the first division in only three seasons of his Ipswich career.
I’m am appearing to decry Ray Crawford here. It’s not my intention. He was a great player for Ipswich and I’d happily see a statue of him and Phillips somewhere around the ground.
How would you rate Terry Allcock, Iwan Roberts or Grant Holt against those two? [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 8:01]
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 12:14 - Nov 19 with 918 views | backinbeige |
…Freddie Ladapo? | |
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 13:01 - Nov 19 with 879 views | DJR |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 07:59 - Nov 17 by mikeybloo88 |
Alan Brazil actually had a better goals per game ratio for us than PM, so should definitely be in the debate. No one else, not even Marcus, produced so much for us at the top level in my era, so hard to look beyond those two...although for me Mariner was my favourite and he did it at every club he played for and internationally so gets the nod. |
For a couple of seasons, Brazil was fantastic, with great pace and the ability to round the keeper. He ended up being one of my three favourite players alongside Beattie and Thijsenn. [Post edited 19 Nov 2022 13:04]
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 14:21 - Nov 19 with 864 views | JimInGreensboro |
I hear Ronaldo’s available. | | | |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 14:26 - Nov 19 with 862 views | Churchman |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 13:01 - Nov 19 by DJR |
For a couple of seasons, Brazil was fantastic, with great pace and the ability to round the keeper. He ended up being one of my three favourite players alongside Beattie and Thijsenn. [Post edited 19 Nov 2022 13:04]
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Brazil was deadly for two or three seasons. Fantastic player, but his star though bright was short lived, which is why he is in the good not great category.
I often wondered at the time how much of his goalscoring was down to Mariner, Thij, Muhren and Gates but that is harsh. You’ve still got to put the ball away and there have been few better than him in his prime for us. | | | |
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 14:57 - Nov 19 with 839 views | oldburian |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 07:59 - Nov 18 by Churchman |
I don’t suppose you saw either play live, but are you seriously suggesting that the late 50s/early 60s was a more demanding than the 70s/80s? Wow. I’d be interested in the view of anyone who witnessed both eras and Crawford / Mariner in their prime. I only saw Ray at the end of his career.
You are quick to emphasise goalscoring stats so I’ll give you an alternative. Crawford - 2 England caps. Mariner - 35 England caps. Mariner scored all his Ipswich goals in the first division. I’m guessing by looking at the dates that Crawford scored goals in the first division in only three seasons of his Ipswich career.
I’m am appearing to decry Ray Crawford here. It’s not my intention. He was a great player for Ipswich and I’d happily see a statue of him and Phillips somewhere around the ground.
How would you rate Terry Allcock, Iwan Roberts or Grant Holt against those two? [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 8:01]
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I saw both and they are my choice as the two best strikers we have had. Crawford was probably the better technically but Mariner immense in power and in the six yard area. Many of Phillips goals would have been set up by Ray, I remember one instance in the game at White Hart Lane when Ted was going through a very barren spel and instead of scoring himself laid it off for Ted to tap in. Phillips was on song for the rest of the season. The England cap points you make, remember up to 1962 there was a selection committee of which Walter Winterbottom advised but could not choose hence you had favourite club players of committee members hence many had one international appearance. Crawfords last international was against Austria, if I remember correctly. England at the time was very much an old boys club and he was selected ahead of Bobby Smith. He played well and scored against the odds as only Connelly, the Burnley winger, was the only one who seemed to cooperate. The result was that Derrick Kevin was taken to Chile. I named my first born after Mariner and in the late 70s and early 80s he was the ultimate leader of the attack.
I feel privileged to have seen both in their prime and I cannot say which one was better. | | | |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 15:04 - Nov 19 with 831 views | DJR |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 14:26 - Nov 19 by Churchman |
Brazil was deadly for two or three seasons. Fantastic player, but his star though bright was short lived, which is why he is in the good not great category.
I often wondered at the time how much of his goalscoring was down to Mariner, Thij, Muhren and Gates but that is harsh. You’ve still got to put the ball away and there have been few better than him in his prime for us. |
Surely 70 goals in 154 games, 13 caps for Scotland, a World Cup appearance, and two UEFA cup wins make him better than merely good? Maybe he just had the sort of self-destruct button that Beattie had. [Post edited 19 Nov 2022 15:10]
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| Who was the last great striker we had? on 15:08 - Nov 19 with 827 views | DJR |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 08:43 - Nov 17 by homer_123 |
Great
Mariner
Crawford
Phillips
Whymark
Then you go next level:
Stewart
Brazil
Bent (D)
Atkinson
Murphy
Johnson (D)
Johnson (D)
Counago/ Kuqi [Post edited 17 Nov 2022 8:44]
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I would shunt Brazil up a level. He was an integral part of the greatest Bobby Robson team, playing at the highest level. | | | |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 21:33 - Nov 19 with 794 views | Churchman |
| Who was the last great striker we had? on 15:04 - Nov 19 by DJR |
Surely 70 goals in 154 games, 13 caps for Scotland, a World Cup appearance, and two UEFA cup wins make him better than merely good? Maybe he just had the sort of self-destruct button that Beattie had. [Post edited 19 Nov 2022 15:10]
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A convincing argument, DJR. Maybe we should have a subs bench for ‘great’
He always enjoyed the sauce, but I seem to remember chronic back problems blighted his career. I may be wrong. | | | |
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