| Have to question that lineup tonight... 22:22 - Nov 22 with 5283 views | ITFCBlues |
And why so many key first team players featured. Harness now injured for probably a fairly lengthy period of time in a completely unnecessary situation.
How big an impact will that now have on our season in an area of the pitch we're now very short in. |  |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:25 - Nov 22 with 3796 views | MillsTash |
We will go big in January. We have enough to get us to then. Think it’s clear what Ashton has said we are going to sign good players and the owners clearly mean business. |  | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:25 - Nov 22 with 3789 views | pointofblue |
Players can get injured in training, though I acknowledge challenges wouldn't be as aggressive in training.
This was our chance to get deep into a competition with a Wembley appearance. Rotherham won it and went up last year. We can, and should, play the second XI against Buxton. |  |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:26 - Nov 22 with 3773 views | portmanking |
Ridiculous isn't it? McKenna's first major error IMO.
Was the ideal opportunity to try the likes of Siziba, Armin, Agbaje and even Buabo in a no-risk environment, against solid League 1 players too.
Instead we've overloaded our wafer thin midfielders and picked up yet another damaging injury. Promotion is literally the only goal. US owners aren't getting starry-eyed about a tinpot trophy final at Wembley. It's all about the Championship. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 22:27]
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:30 - Nov 22 with 3707 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
I was particularly annoyed and baffled with the Morsy's inclusion. Why? What for? If he had got injured that would have brought catastrophic ramifications.
January is a tough transfer window but if Ashton says we'll be active then it sounds very good. |  | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:34 - Nov 22 with 3663 views | ITFCBlues |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:30 - Nov 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I was particularly annoyed and baffled with the Morsy's inclusion. Why? What for? If he had got injured that would have brought catastrophic ramifications.
January is a tough transfer window but if Ashton says we'll be active then it sounds very good. |
We have no choice but to be active with so many injuries. It's just a really stupid decision to keep picking key first team players in such a pointless competition to possibly the detriment of the league. | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:42 - Nov 22 with 3618 views | Churchman |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:30 - Nov 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
I was particularly annoyed and baffled with the Morsy's inclusion. Why? What for? If he had got injured that would have brought catastrophic ramifications.
January is a tough transfer window but if Ashton says we'll be active then it sounds very good. |
I was amazed that Morsy, Humphreys and Harness were anywhere near this meaningless game. I hoped he’d play all reserves and youth players.
December is critical and we should be putting everything into that, not worrying about a meaningless cup game and on Saturday a competition we can never win. I hope KM learns his lesson and keeps all key players out.
From McKenna’s comments, I don’t think it’s likely we will be seeing Harness for a while. At least the others he mentioned are not too far away from fitness. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 22:55]
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:46 - Nov 22 with 3587 views | homer_123 |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:42 - Nov 22 by Churchman |
I was amazed that Morsy, Humphreys and Harness were anywhere near this meaningless game. I hoped he’d play all reserves and youth players.
December is critical and we should be putting everything into that, not worrying about a meaningless cup game and on Saturday a competition we can never win. I hope KM learns his lesson and keeps all key players out.
From McKenna’s comments, I don’t think it’s likely we will be seeing Harness for a while. At least the others he mentioned are not too far away from fitness. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 22:55]
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Chaplin, Leigh and Donacien all picked up knocks at Exeter....so, do you not play them too often in the league either? |  |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:48 - Nov 22 with 3575 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:34 - Nov 22 by ITFCBlues |
We have no choice but to be active with so many injuries. It's just a really stupid decision to keep picking key first team players in such a pointless competition to possibly the detriment of the league. |
We may have to pay over the real value of a player. Can we really do it? We have to as you say. If we fail to do so and subsequently fail to get promoted then some people will be using injuries as an excuse for McKenna.
No excuses ! Full stop ! Promotion is a must.
I wonder if we can offer 'stupid' money to sign Whittaker. Not a loan. Just the permanent one. He would be a monumental signing. | | | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:50 - Nov 22 with 3559 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:42 - Nov 22 by Churchman |
I was amazed that Morsy, Humphreys and Harness were anywhere near this meaningless game. I hoped he’d play all reserves and youth players.
December is critical and we should be putting everything into that, not worrying about a meaningless cup game and on Saturday a competition we can never win. I hope KM learns his lesson and keeps all key players out.
From McKenna’s comments, I don’t think it’s likely we will be seeing Harness for a while. At least the others he mentioned are not too far away from fitness. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 22:55]
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Humphreys playing tonight wasn't actually that bad. We can't rely on 18 years old player to be a permanent cover for Ball/Evans week in week out. | | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:01 - Nov 22 with 3489 views | Churchman |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:46 - Nov 22 by homer_123 |
Chaplin, Leigh and Donacien all picked up knocks at Exeter....so, do you not play them too often in the league either? |
Yes, you play them. The league is everything. But after a very busy October and five games in December I thought this was a perfect month to give first teamers a break, bar the two league games, and play others in the tin pot games.
In a long season you are going to get injuries the way the modern game is played. But losing a key player and risking others to the Papa John Diddly Squat competition and Aluko to this or possibly the League Cup seem nuts to me. | | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:03 - Nov 22 with 3465 views | Churchman |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:50 - Nov 22 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Humphreys playing tonight wasn't actually that bad. We can't rely on 18 years old player to be a permanent cover for Ball/Evans week in week out. |
Which is another reason why I wouldn’t have played Humphreys today or Saturday. But hey, what do I Know? Zippo, obviously. These things happen. | | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:04 - Nov 22 with 3460 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:01 - Nov 22 by Churchman |
Yes, you play them. The league is everything. But after a very busy October and five games in December I thought this was a perfect month to give first teamers a break, bar the two league games, and play others in the tin pot games.
In a long season you are going to get injuries the way the modern game is played. But losing a key player and risking others to the Papa John Diddly Squat competition and Aluko to this or possibly the League Cup seem nuts to me. |
Problem is..
If no Chaplin and no Edwards, No JJ or Aluko.. who else could play the 10 role? |  |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:05 - Nov 22 with 3457 views | homer_123 |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:01 - Nov 22 by Churchman |
Yes, you play them. The league is everything. But after a very busy October and five games in December I thought this was a perfect month to give first teamers a break, bar the two league games, and play others in the tin pot games.
In a long season you are going to get injuries the way the modern game is played. But losing a key player and risking others to the Papa John Diddly Squat competition and Aluko to this or possibly the League Cup seem nuts to me. |
My point being, that those three were played in a League game and all three picked up knocks/ injuries.
You can 'never' legislate for it. | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:08 - Nov 22 with 3450 views | pointofblue |
From McKenna’s comments I think he wishes he’d played a full reserve team now. Did we have no one at the stadium to take Ladapo’s place on the bench?
I’m gutted because this was a much better chance for a Wembley appearance than the FA Cup. But if we had everyone (or most players) fit perhaps we would have gone for it more than we did.
Just to stress, I’d much prefer automatic promotion to a play off appearance at Wembley in any season. | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:13 - Nov 22 with 3403 views | Churchman |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:05 - Nov 22 by homer_123 |
My point being, that those three were played in a League game and all three picked up knocks/ injuries.
You can 'never' legislate for it. |
No you can’t legislate for injuries in games, but you can be selective to an extent in who plays in the meaningless games.
Of course, it’s very easy for me pontificate from the armchair. KM is single minded and I’m a big fan of what he’s done at the club so far. | | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:16 - Nov 22 with 3390 views | Ryorry |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:08 - Nov 22 by pointofblue |
From McKenna’s comments I think he wishes he’d played a full reserve team now. Did we have no one at the stadium to take Ladapo’s place on the bench?
I’m gutted because this was a much better chance for a Wembley appearance than the FA Cup. But if we had everyone (or most players) fit perhaps we would have gone for it more than we did.
Just to stress, I’d much prefer automatic promotion to a play off appearance at Wembley in any season. |
You simply can't do that, there are regulations in place for this competition about the minimum number of (I think it's 4) outfield players who must in essence be regular first-team players, or have played a minimum number of (iirc 40) senior league games in this/previous seasons.
All this was in Phil's pre-match feature - which I can't find now, sorry. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 23:18]
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:19 - Nov 22 with 3366 views | ITFCBlues |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:05 - Nov 22 by homer_123 |
My point being, that those three were played in a League game and all three picked up knocks/ injuries.
You can 'never' legislate for it. |
You can't legislate for it, but you can do everything you can to avoid it. Imagine Morsy sustains a season ending victory in a Pizza Cup game. What's the benefit?
McKenna has just said we'd rather not have that
additional game, so why play first team players? Ladapo also injured in the warmup. Just pointless risks being taken when the only important thing this season is the league! | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:20 - Nov 22 with 3366 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:16 - Nov 22 by Ryorry |
You simply can't do that, there are regulations in place for this competition about the minimum number of (I think it's 4) outfield players who must in essence be regular first-team players, or have played a minimum number of (iirc 40) senior league games in this/previous seasons.
All this was in Phil's pre-match feature - which I can't find now, sorry. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 23:18]
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But then you could say £5000 is worth a fine if it meant you don't lose Aluko. Harness etc.
It's a tough one. I liked seeing a normalish lineup.. but think it actually just showed where we do need reinforcements. So a handy fixture to have imo. | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:23 - Nov 22 with 3346 views | Ryorry |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:20 - Nov 22 by FrimleyBlue |
But then you could say £5000 is worth a fine if it meant you don't lose Aluko. Harness etc.
It's a tough one. I liked seeing a normalish lineup.. but think it actually just showed where we do need reinforcements. So a handy fixture to have imo. |
"So a handy fixture to have imo."
Hindsight normally being considered a benefit seems to have totally passed you by. | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:34 - Nov 22 with 3310 views | pointofblue |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:16 - Nov 22 by Ryorry |
You simply can't do that, there are regulations in place for this competition about the minimum number of (I think it's 4) outfield players who must in essence be regular first-team players, or have played a minimum number of (iirc 40) senior league games in this/previous seasons.
All this was in Phil's pre-match feature - which I can't find now, sorry. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 23:18]
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Four qualifying outfield players in the first XI:
- Started previous league fixture
- Starts following league fixture
- In top ten league appearances this season
- Has made 40 or more starts in league or internationals in their career
- On loan from Premier League club or EFL club with Category 1 status
So Hladky, VINCENT-YOUNG, LEIGH, Armin, KEOGH, Alexander, Ward, CAMARA, Chirewa, Siziba, Buabo would have met requirements and avoided a fine. | |
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:37 - Nov 22 with 3295 views | stonojnr |
and we'd have got the same arguments had he picked a weakened team and lost and people would be moaning about it being our best chance for cup success and a stronger team would have won and got us out of this "bad form".
Captain hindsight doesnt pick football teams, injuries can happen in training in league games, cup games, in warm ups, even at home, you cant wrap players in cotton wool. | | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:38 - Nov 22 with 3292 views | Ryorry |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:34 - Nov 22 by pointofblue |
Four qualifying outfield players in the first XI:
- Started previous league fixture
- Starts following league fixture
- In top ten league appearances this season
- Has made 40 or more starts in league or internationals in their career
- On loan from Premier League club or EFL club with Category 1 status
So Hladky, VINCENT-YOUNG, LEIGH, Armin, KEOGH, Alexander, Ward, CAMARA, Chirewa, Siziba, Buabo would have met requirements and avoided a fine. |
Ah, thanks for the full details re rules. But I was replying to your post in which you said "From McKenna’s comments I think he wishes he’d played a full reserve team now", and your team sheet there obviously wasn't that.
Tbh, the best thing to come out of tonight was imho, Morsy not getting injured - I'm just heaving a huge sigh of relief at that! [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 5:38]
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| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:47 - Nov 22 with 3251 views | ReusersTown |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:25 - Nov 22 by pointofblue |
Players can get injured in training, though I acknowledge challenges wouldn't be as aggressive in training.
This was our chance to get deep into a competition with a Wembley appearance. Rotherham won it and went up last year. We can, and should, play the second XI against Buxton. |
I, and I'm sure many others do not give a t0ss about getting to Wembley through this competition. Quite frankly it would be an embarrassment. We also seem to keep picking up significant injuries in it. | | | |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 23:58 - Nov 22 with 3220 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Have to question that lineup tonight... on 22:42 - Nov 22 by Churchman |
I was amazed that Morsy, Humphreys and Harness were anywhere near this meaningless game. I hoped he’d play all reserves and youth players.
December is critical and we should be putting everything into that, not worrying about a meaningless cup game and on Saturday a competition we can never win. I hope KM learns his lesson and keeps all key players out.
From McKenna’s comments, I don’t think it’s likely we will be seeing Harness for a while. At least the others he mentioned are not too far away from fitness. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 22:55]
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If we had a league game coming up on Saturday would agree with you but we don't. The team you probably expected to play today will, most likely, take the field on Sunday in F A cup game against non league opposition. |  |
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