| BB hot take 21:34 - Dec 4 with 2356 views | BlueBadger |
Southgate is the international equivalent of Kieron McKenna. Only idiots want him gone. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 22:01]
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| BB hot take on 21:36 - Dec 4 with 2333 views | XYZ |
There's a thread from a week ago calling for a new (England) manager ... |  | | |
| BB hot take on 21:39 - Dec 4 with 2304 views | BlueBadger |
| BB hot take on 21:36 - Dec 4 by XYZ |
There's a thread from a week ago calling for a new (England) manager ... |
Oh, *rimm*rs | |
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| BB hot take on 21:43 - Dec 4 with 2285 views | Kievthegreat |
How do they compare to Kieran McKenna though? |  | | |
| BB hot take on 21:47 - Dec 4 with 2261 views | SpruceMoose |
Hmmm. Doesn't seem smarmy enough though. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| BB hot take on 21:50 - Dec 4 with 2243 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| BB hot take on 21:36 - Dec 4 by XYZ |
There's a thread from a week ago calling for a new (England) manager ... |
It is remarkable how much more rapidly an international manager lurches from the best to the worst in some fans' eyes than domestic ones do. And international ones then often have to wait a long time to get another match.
International management is clearly a very different skill to domestic management, and it is notable how much more successful Southgate has been than his predecessors. For those who say he has a fantastic young squad to work with, don't forget it was always said the predecessors had top players to work with too. Some of this fantastic young squad of players are not playing for their domestic clubs either! |  |
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| BB hot take on 21:55 - Dec 4 with 2214 views | XYZ |
| BB hot take on 21:50 - Dec 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is remarkable how much more rapidly an international manager lurches from the best to the worst in some fans' eyes than domestic ones do. And international ones then often have to wait a long time to get another match.
International management is clearly a very different skill to domestic management, and it is notable how much more successful Southgate has been than his predecessors. For those who say he has a fantastic young squad to work with, don't forget it was always said the predecessors had top players to work with too. Some of this fantastic young squad of players are not playing for their domestic clubs either! |
Agree - club management and national (tournament) management are very different beasts.
E.g. the Lampard/ Gerrard generation have admitted that the squad kept to their club team mates and didn't mix - a decent international manager (Southgate) would have ensured that didn't happen. | | | |
| BB hot take on 22:00 - Dec 4 with 2188 views | SpruceMoose |
| BB hot take on 21:50 - Dec 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is remarkable how much more rapidly an international manager lurches from the best to the worst in some fans' eyes than domestic ones do. And international ones then often have to wait a long time to get another match.
International management is clearly a very different skill to domestic management, and it is notable how much more successful Southgate has been than his predecessors. For those who say he has a fantastic young squad to work with, don't forget it was always said the predecessors had top players to work with too. Some of this fantastic young squad of players are not playing for their domestic clubs either! |
The default position that some football fans seem to take is rather knee jerk and reactionary. Everything is either terrible or fantastic, with very little nuance.
There's very little patience, tolerance of misfortune or acceptance that football is often a game of very fine margins, especially at a high level.
I genuinely think that some people have a problem with Southgate because he's clearly a thoughtful, kind and cool tempered bloke. He's a tad too sensitive and 'woke' for the kind of people who only recognise the qualities of a blood and thunder type. None of that will matter if he wins a world cup however. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| BB hot take on 22:41 - Dec 4 with 2056 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| BB hot take on 21:36 - Dec 4 by XYZ |
There's a thread from a week ago calling for a new (England) manager ... |
In fairness, it is pretty well speculated that Southgate will step down after this tournament regardless of the result. I personally think he will as the media and fan scrutiny clearly takes a toll on him, and performances between tournaments have been poor.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what division of the Nations League we play in, but we weren't relegated for being a good side. For me, his man management would be hard to replicate, but think there are others who could do better tactically. Nonetheless his record at major tournaments speaks for itself. I quite like the bloke, but I do think we are guilty of paying other sides too much respect at times, given the quality we have at our disposal. | |
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| BB hot take on 22:44 - Dec 4 with 2044 views | SpruceMoose |
| BB hot take on 22:41 - Dec 4 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
In fairness, it is pretty well speculated that Southgate will step down after this tournament regardless of the result. I personally think he will as the media and fan scrutiny clearly takes a toll on him, and performances between tournaments have been poor.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what division of the Nations League we play in, but we weren't relegated for being a good side. For me, his man management would be hard to replicate, but think there are others who could do better tactically. Nonetheless his record at major tournaments speaks for itself. I quite like the bloke, but I do think we are guilty of paying other sides too much respect at times, given the quality we have at our disposal. |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| BB hot take on 22:50 - Dec 4 with 2021 views | J2BLUE |
| BB hot take on 22:41 - Dec 4 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
In fairness, it is pretty well speculated that Southgate will step down after this tournament regardless of the result. I personally think he will as the media and fan scrutiny clearly takes a toll on him, and performances between tournaments have been poor.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what division of the Nations League we play in, but we weren't relegated for being a good side. For me, his man management would be hard to replicate, but think there are others who could do better tactically. Nonetheless his record at major tournaments speaks for itself. I quite like the bloke, but I do think we are guilty of paying other sides too much respect at times, given the quality we have at our disposal. |
Performances between tournaments are irrelevant as long as we qualify.
The world cup and the Euros are the only tournaments that matter for England. |  |
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| BB hot take on 22:59 - Dec 4 with 1994 views | XYZ |
| BB hot take on 22:41 - Dec 4 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
In fairness, it is pretty well speculated that Southgate will step down after this tournament regardless of the result. I personally think he will as the media and fan scrutiny clearly takes a toll on him, and performances between tournaments have been poor.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what division of the Nations League we play in, but we weren't relegated for being a good side. For me, his man management would be hard to replicate, but think there are others who could do better tactically. Nonetheless his record at major tournaments speaks for itself. I quite like the bloke, but I do think we are guilty of paying other sides too much respect at times, given the quality we have at our disposal. |
What does "it is pretty well speculated" actually mean?
For a national team do "performances between tournaments" matter?
WC 2018 Semi
Euros 2020 (21) Runners up
WC 2022 QF and counting
Have some decency and take your hat off. You'll be waiting a while for another to match his record. | | | |
| BB hot take on 23:01 - Dec 4 with 1967 views | FrimleyBlue |
Has anyone said they want either manager gone?
I know some don't like Southgates way.. but as I contributed last week. It's imo similar to micks time at town where it maybe not be popular but it gets results.
Southgate I think it's the most successful English manager now we've won today too. I think it's 11 wins out of 16 competitive games.
Also.. 9 knockout games without a loss in 90 minutes. That's impressive. |  |
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| BB hot take on 01:01 - Dec 5 with 1842 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
What am I wishing for exactly? | |
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| BB hot take on 01:15 - Dec 5 with 1824 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| BB hot take on 22:50 - Dec 4 by J2BLUE |
Performances between tournaments are irrelevant as long as we qualify.
The world cup and the Euros are the only tournaments that matter for England. |
Well I did say it doesn't really matter what division of the Nations League we are in - although I think Southgate would disagree with you that it doesn't matter. He seemed quite keen to win the inaugural competition, where I believe we finished fourth?
Nonetheless, I agree that performance at major tournaments is what should count, and as I said above, his record speaks for itself. | |
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| BB hot take on 01:20 - Dec 5 with 1816 views | jeera |
That you could bust a move like Pardew.
Obviously. |  |
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| BB hot take on 01:27 - Dec 5 with 1811 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| BB hot take on 22:59 - Dec 4 by XYZ |
What does "it is pretty well speculated" actually mean?
For a national team do "performances between tournaments" matter?
WC 2018 Semi
Euros 2020 (21) Runners up
WC 2022 QF and counting
Have some decency and take your hat off. You'll be waiting a while for another to match his record. |
It means that large sections of the media have asserted that he is likely to step down after the tournament. It's pretty easy to find that speculation for yourself, whether it is true or not remains to be seen.
As I said in the post you are replying to, his record at major tournaments speaks for itself. You seem to have me confused as someone with an axe to grind against the man. I have nothing but respect for his achievements, and I have said nothing to diminish them.
As I said, tactically, I think he is flawed. However, as a man manager, no I don't think anybody could have done more to change the mentality of the England squad. I didn't say one was more important than the other because I honestly don't know.
I don't feel as though he should go, but I do think he will. I also don't really enjoy watching his side most of the time, but that still doesn't make him the wrong man for the job.
It is possible to be critical of the man while still thinking he has and continues to do a very good job. Does that clear things up for you? | |
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| BB hot take on 01:29 - Dec 5 with 1807 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| BB hot take on 01:20 - Dec 5 by jeera |
That you could bust a move like Pardew.
Obviously. |
I'll accept that charge. | |
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| BB hot take on 10:38 - Dec 5 with 1544 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
BlueBadger football expert part 65 354
Kieron McKenna.....can you tell is about this person? Who is he? Anyone heard of Kieron McKenna? |  | | |
| BB hot take on 10:45 - Dec 5 with 1516 views | clive_baker |
| BB hot take on 23:01 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
Has anyone said they want either manager gone?
I know some don't like Southgates way.. but as I contributed last week. It's imo similar to micks time at town where it maybe not be popular but it gets results.
Southgate I think it's the most successful English manager now we've won today too. I think it's 11 wins out of 16 competitive games.
Also.. 9 knockout games without a loss in 90 minutes. That's impressive. |
I don't think it could be much different to Mick. Generally speaking Southgate is popular. We play an exciting brand of football, he puts trust in youth and we're the top scorers in the tournament. We're brave on the ball, play through the lines, serious creativity and pace in the final 3rd. Mick would have us 4-4-2 lumping long balls to an Andy Carroll type. |  |
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| BB hot take on 10:47 - Dec 5 with 1506 views | ITFC_Forever |
Who wants McKenna gone?! |  |
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| BB hot take on 11:11 - Dec 5 with 1438 views | FrimleyBlue |
| BB hot take on 10:45 - Dec 5 by clive_baker |
I don't think it could be much different to Mick. Generally speaking Southgate is popular. We play an exciting brand of football, he puts trust in youth and we're the top scorers in the tournament. We're brave on the ball, play through the lines, serious creativity and pace in the final 3rd. Mick would have us 4-4-2 lumping long balls to an Andy Carroll type. |
That's if you're comparing the actual styles to one another. I'm just referring to how imo both Southgate and Mick had/has supporters who don't enjoy their personal styles despite both being relatively successful with it. | |
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