| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up 14:41 - Dec 12 with 4594 views | unstableblue |
No doubting that our manager wasn't happy with the edgy and silent atmosphere in the first half Saturday.
This is a team, manager and season for us to be really proud of, and really vocal about. Yes, we're not typically playing at our best for the 90mins at the moment, that will come again, but we're still seeing passages of football to make us purr. Of course we can debate that the team's energy needs to fire up the crowd, but it goes both ways.
Our group couldn't get season tickets in the lower North sadly, but we look on from the sides, stand for the game, and make noise throughout.
It was so noticeable on Saturday that section 6 really try to get the noise going but its isolated, and it was also clear that section 4 were also starting songs, and being vocal, even in the first half.
The middle block is dead, and only reacts to direct attacking action in front of them. And this wasn't just because of the sun, the cold and the early kick-off. This is a theme. Clear to see.
This is a manager and a project that could genuinely get us into the Premier League. McKenna thrives on positive fan support to the team.
And the lower North is the place for raucous support, not for spectating. If you're static, not making noise, are you sitting (hopefully standing) in the right stand? were you raucous in the 80s/90s? are you drinking 4 pints before kick-off?
This is an intentionally provocative post, and I place my safety helmet on in readiness for the response.
Buts its as clear as day that is a problem? would welcome sensible thoughts. And from those in that section... why is it so quiet and static?
Hesitates to press 'Add Football Thread'... [Post edited 12 Dec 2022 14:42]
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 16:48 - Dec 12 with 1256 views | homer_123 |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 16:13 - Dec 12 by Blue_Order |
That’s always our point - we’re only wanting one 3,000 person area of the ground to be filled with people singing and backing the team. There’s 26,000 other seats in the ground those people that don’t want to sing could sit in.
As textbackup said yesterday, the view in the lower north is shïte, so if you’re not contributing to the atmosphere, why would you even want to sit there? Case in point that was mentioned on here a few weeks ago - there’s a group of OAP’s near us in S6 - they sit down the whole game, moan to stewards about the noise and movement, and generally look miserable every week. What do they get out of being there? Surely they’d be happier sitting in one of the side stands with peace and quiet and a decent view of the game…
The “I’ve sat in this seat for 30 years so why should I move?” attitude in my personal opinion is just selfish and detrimental to the team and club. If I ever get to the point that I don’t want to help drive the atmosphere anymore, I’ll move elsewhere to make way for someone that does. |
Crikeys....don't push that moaning lot over to where I sit....you keep 'em!!!! |  |
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| Maybe in the Cobbold or Churchmans - but surely not the Lower North? on 17:21 - Dec 12 with 1164 views | unstableblue |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 14:48 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
lol, not for spectating.
You buy a ticket to WATCH ipswich play another team. It it 100000% all about spectating.
Some wish to add to their experience by singing and clapping, some go further get wasted, sing, dance etc etc, each to their own.
But, the whole purpose of buying a ticket is to watch the game. |
Thats specifically meant to be where fans who want to physically and verbally encourage the team are meant to congregate.
But from what I've seen, NOT JUST ON SATURDAY AT 12.30 IN THE COLD, there are too many in the middle block who are only spectating, looking on, not getting involved! | |
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:22 - Dec 12 with 1164 views | JackNorthStand |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 15:33 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
why should they? some may be sitting the same seat they've had since they were in their 30s and sang more than others, they've now go older, and maybe just fancy watching the game without singing and clapping. Surely that's upto them.
Some maybe young but just enjoy the game, some may not feel comfortable singing. |
That’s excellent someone who has committed that much time, passion and effort creating an atmosphere at Portman road. Having said that if the time has come when they no longer feel they can contribute to the atmosphere I am sure they would understand why it would be useful to “pass the baton “ to someone who can help create the atmosphere that they once did. |  | | |
| That's exactly my point! (n/t) on 17:22 - Dec 12 with 1162 views | unstableblue |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 15:21 - Dec 12 by JackNorthStand |
If people don’t want to create an atmosphere they should sit elsewhere. |
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:23 - Dec 12 with 1166 views | RegencyBlue |
The atmosphere at PR in my 50 odd years of attending has often been an issue at times. I remember Sir Bobbys ‘Zombies’ comments aimed at the crowd in the early eighties when he was frustrated at the lack of atmosphere after a game against Crystal Palace.
It’s an odd one because there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. Games where you expect the atmosphere to be low key can end up pretty raucous whilst big games, where you expect the crowd to be really up for it, end up being able to hear a pin drop!I don’t think the acoustics of the newer stands help but it’s something that goes back well before their construction. |  | | |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:24 - Dec 12 with 1160 views | unstableblue |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 16:23 - Dec 12 by SitfcB |
The weird kick off times lately haven’t helped at all.
Section 5 tries, well we do at the back nearer to section 4, we love to belt the classics out, my only gripe with BA is they don’t seem to want to sing these ones and don’t join in, that’s if they can even hear them?? |
But section 4 were belting out a few classics.. including one of my favourites - Come on Ipswich, Come on Ipswich -------- and it was clear that the middle section didn't pick it up... the same the other way from section 6
Lets hope for some greater encouragement and volume from Section 5 on boxing day, and some commitment to their role as the heart of the North Stand lower | |
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:25 - Dec 12 with 1162 views | lizzibee |
100 agree with this. The support behind the team can be as good as a 12th man and I suspect that is partly why our away form is so good, because of the noise we create. I sit in Magnus lower now and hardly heard our fans on Saturday. 12noon kick offs don't help but I'd love the whole of the north lower to be up on their feet signing and making a noise. Other stands will then follow, but on Saturday it felt flat | | | |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:34 - Dec 12 with 1142 views | brogansnose |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 16:00 - Dec 12 by gtsb1966 |
I get that. The only place I ever wanted to watch the game from was the "north" stand to sing and shout for 90 minutes. I'm 57 and have just naturally progressed away to the cobbold. I still have my moments but would love to see the whole bottom section filled with people singing. |
Same, migrated from S6 partly thinking that my spot should go to someone younger / someone who wanted to sing more than I did and to have a better view. Away days are now more for non stop support but I do find it weird that if I get animated up the West that people look at me like an alien.
Edit : totally behind BA and it would be great to have the whole of the lower North on song. [Post edited 12 Dec 2022 17:36]
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:46 - Dec 12 with 1122 views | Blue_Order |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:24 - Dec 12 by unstableblue |
But section 4 were belting out a few classics.. including one of my favourites - Come on Ipswich, Come on Ipswich -------- and it was clear that the middle section didn't pick it up... the same the other way from section 6
Lets hope for some greater encouragement and volume from Section 5 on boxing day, and some commitment to their role as the heart of the North Stand lower |
You’re right that a lot of it does hinge on those in Section 5. If the folk on the other side of the aisle next to us carried our songs over to the middle, and vice versa from S4, it would instantly be much better.
But for some reason they just don’t. |  | | |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 18:07 - Dec 12 with 1095 views | Warkystache |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 17:46 - Dec 12 by Blue_Order |
You’re right that a lot of it does hinge on those in Section 5. If the folk on the other side of the aisle next to us carried our songs over to the middle, and vice versa from S4, it would instantly be much better.
But for some reason they just don’t. |
I'm Section 5 row O and my row sings our hearts out. I've often been hoarse after a game. Forget Section 6 and the drum and Section 4 who are 'Johnny Come Lately's' when we start a song and then it peters out, Section 5 contains people like me who faithfully sing but then get caught out when it stops.
So come on Section 4, get with the f***ing plan eh? |  |
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 20:37 - Dec 12 with 976 views | Slambo |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 16:26 - Dec 12 by SheffordBlue |
Pretty sure that an open terrace wouldn't be possible under the Safe Standing Criteria here: https://sgsa.org.uk/licensedstanding/
Those grounds that still have terraces have them under 'grandfather' rights and I don't think you can downgrade to that - only upgrade to safe standing. |
Hmm. I've been talking a lot with Peter Daykin over at the FSA (he was one of the leading safe standing campaigners so has the ear of a lot of high up people) and he's adamant that the key is in the name 'safe' standing; if a design can be demonstratively shown to be safe, then it doesn't have to be those w@nk rail seats. He cited the example of Exeter's 4,000 capacity Big Bank terrace. It is evidently safe, so there can be no legitimate argument against another club recreating it. Our Safety Officer agreed when I last spoke to him. But what the SGSA lists there is quite clear, so I don't know what to think. Can only hope that these are kind of 'bridging' criteria and over time they'll relax more...
At the end of the day, the law relating to standing at football is junk legislation and can't possibly survive. It might actually be better for us anyway. The club is in no position to do anything for a couple of years anyway, so aren't compelled to rush through a sub standard design... |  |
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 20:45 - Dec 12 with 964 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 14:48 - Dec 12 by FrimleyBlue |
lol, not for spectating.
You buy a ticket to WATCH ipswich play another team. It it 100000% all about spectating.
Some wish to add to their experience by singing and clapping, some go further get wasted, sing, dance etc etc, each to their own.
But, the whole purpose of buying a ticket is to watch the game. |
It's the lower North Stand. Sing or get out. |  |
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| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 21:14 - Dec 12 with 927 views | SheffordBlue |
| Come on Section 5 (middle block) of the Lower North (Sir Bobby) - crank it up on 20:37 - Dec 12 by Slambo |
Hmm. I've been talking a lot with Peter Daykin over at the FSA (he was one of the leading safe standing campaigners so has the ear of a lot of high up people) and he's adamant that the key is in the name 'safe' standing; if a design can be demonstratively shown to be safe, then it doesn't have to be those w@nk rail seats. He cited the example of Exeter's 4,000 capacity Big Bank terrace. It is evidently safe, so there can be no legitimate argument against another club recreating it. Our Safety Officer agreed when I last spoke to him. But what the SGSA lists there is quite clear, so I don't know what to think. Can only hope that these are kind of 'bridging' criteria and over time they'll relax more...
At the end of the day, the law relating to standing at football is junk legislation and can't possibly survive. It might actually be better for us anyway. The club is in no position to do anything for a couple of years anyway, so aren't compelled to rush through a sub standard design... |
Interesting. I think like many safety standards once they exist at a certain level it becomes almost impossible to relax them - institutional umbrella raising, fear of law suits if something does happen etc. All of this makes it really difficult to make a decision to tone things down even when it makes sense to do so. | |
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