| Hypothetical question 13:25 - Jan 7 with 4121 views | ringwoodblue |
If you could make just one change to the rules of football, what would it be?
My idea would be: In the event of a draw, one team is awarded a bonus point based on an agreed formula from the stats of the game ie possession, shots on target, no of fouls etc. This would hopefully encourage teams to be more positive and not ‘just park the bus’ to get a draw and would reward the ‘better team’
I’m sure there are plenty of flaws in my idea but hey, it can’t be worse than VAR. |  |
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| Hypothetical question on 16:14 - Jan 7 with 1121 views | Kropotkin123 |
Offside.
I believe the rule was there to stop people goal hanging. Yet you can have someone offside, who impacts the way defenders set and because they make no play for the ball there is no foul. And at the same time, we go to VAR and rule out goals because someone's foot is a millimetre in front of the other. Or a goal is ruled out because someone flicks it on in a crossing situation and the defense was just too bad and didn't react quickly enough to the situation. See also rebounds being ruled out because a striker is the quickest to react.
So I want an offside rule that fixes all of that and just catches the players that have daylight between them and the defender to prevent defenders having to sit very deep and deal with a goal hanger. |  |
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| Hypothetical question on 16:18 - Jan 7 with 1106 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Hypothetical question on 16:14 - Jan 7 by Kropotkin123 |
Offside.
I believe the rule was there to stop people goal hanging. Yet you can have someone offside, who impacts the way defenders set and because they make no play for the ball there is no foul. And at the same time, we go to VAR and rule out goals because someone's foot is a millimetre in front of the other. Or a goal is ruled out because someone flicks it on in a crossing situation and the defense was just too bad and didn't react quickly enough to the situation. See also rebounds being ruled out because a striker is the quickest to react.
So I want an offside rule that fixes all of that and just catches the players that have daylight between them and the defender to prevent defenders having to sit very deep and deal with a goal hanger. |
What effect would removing the offside rule entirely have? Ensure obstruction is clearly defined and remove the offside rule entirely. You are no longer asking the assistant referee to perform an impossible task and you are preventing the play being squeezed into a small part of the pitch. Again, it would favour attacking play. |  |
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| Hypothetical question on 16:18 - Jan 7 with 1103 views | ibbleobble |
| Hypothetical question on 14:48 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
Why is diving seen as worse than a player deliberately taking another player out or grabbing hold of his shirt etc. |
Obvious isn’t it? One is a deliberate foul, the other is trying to fake or simulate a situation to con the officials. |  | | |
| Hypothetical question on 16:22 - Jan 7 with 1081 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Hypothetical question on 16:18 - Jan 7 by ibbleobble |
Obvious isn’t it? One is a deliberate foul, the other is trying to fake or simulate a situation to con the officials. |
You mean one is acting beyond the limits of what the rules of the game allow whilst the other is cheating. I think a referee has to be fairly certain to card a player for simulation. | |
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| Hypothetical question on 16:23 - Jan 7 with 1080 views | Lesta_Tractor |
No offsides, hockey is better for it and I think it would improve football too. |  |
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| Hypothetical question on 16:53 - Jan 7 with 1042 views | Plums |
| Hypothetical question on 14:51 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
What’s wrong with a player going up to the ref and asking for clarification of a decision? Obviously as long as it’s polite. |
Players can't control themselves. If it's important to understand, go through the captain.
I've been to three grassroots grounds this afternoon and the first sound I could hear as I got out of the car was 'REF' being bellowed by players. It's no wonder we've run out of them. |  |
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| Hypothetical question on 17:00 - Jan 7 with 1037 views | cbower |
Mike up the ref. Would stop the dog's abuse and swearing at them. They could explain sending offs, penalty awards or not and disallowed goals only. |  |
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| Hypothetical question on 17:03 - Jan 7 with 1034 views | jontysnut |
Not a rule change but when players go down like they've been shot and roll around they should be presented with the evidence and asked 'why did you do that?' |  | | |
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| Hypothetical question on 17:06 - Jan 7 with 1033 views | cbower |
| Hypothetical question on 15:37 - Jan 7 by bluejacko |
Put the bloody flag up for offside straight away not 10 mins later🤬 |
Yep I agree. For me offside is offside. The not interfering stuff is nonsense. If you are anywhere on the pitch, surely you are impacting the game. When a team is attacking and they still have defenders on the half way line who are interfering with play as if they weren't there, oponents would hoof it and be in on goal. Some players are deemed not offside standing in the attacking 6 yard box ffs! | |
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| Hypothetical question on 17:08 - Jan 7 with 1028 views | solemio |
| Hypothetical question on 13:56 - Jan 7 by positivity |
special team. each team gets to bring on a temporary substitute for set pieces.
means we could better defend free kicks etc without having to compromise on our passing style the rest of the game! |
I know you're not serious because only an idiot would suggest this seriously.
Oh... | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:12 - Jan 7 with 1017 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical question on 16:18 - Jan 7 by ibbleobble |
Obvious isn’t it? One is a deliberate foul, the other is trying to fake or simulate a situation to con the officials. |
Don’t think that it is obvious.
Both examples are cheating - I’d say deliberately fouling an opponent 70s style is worse as it could well lead to serious injury. |  | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:12 - Jan 7 with 1009 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical question on 17:12 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
Don’t think that it is obvious.
Both examples are cheating - I’d say deliberately fouling an opponent 70s style is worse as it could well lead to serious injury. |
I'd agree with that. Both are morally indefensible. [Post edited 7 Jan 2023 17:13]
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| Hypothetical question on 17:13 - Jan 7 with 1000 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical question on 16:53 - Jan 7 by Plums |
Players can't control themselves. If it's important to understand, go through the captain.
I've been to three grassroots grounds this afternoon and the first sound I could hear as I got out of the car was 'REF' being bellowed by players. It's no wonder we've run out of them. |
Well the ref has a yellow card in their pocket to deal with abuse. If they start booking players who overstep the mark then players will soon get the message. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:28 - Jan 7 with 969 views | ronnyd |
| Hypothetical question on 17:06 - Jan 7 by cbower |
Yep I agree. For me offside is offside. The not interfering stuff is nonsense. If you are anywhere on the pitch, surely you are impacting the game. When a team is attacking and they still have defenders on the half way line who are interfering with play as if they weren't there, oponents would hoof it and be in on goal. Some players are deemed not offside standing in the attacking 6 yard box ffs! |
Bill Shankly once said in an interview after a game where a goal wasn't disallowed. " If a player isn't interfering with play, why the hell is he on the pitch". Classic. [Post edited 7 Jan 2023 17:35]
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| Hypothetical question on 17:29 - Jan 7 with 968 views | ibbleobble |
| Hypothetical question on 17:12 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
Don’t think that it is obvious.
Both examples are cheating - I’d say deliberately fouling an opponent 70s style is worse as it could well lead to serious injury. |
A foul isn’t cheating. Simulating a foul is. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:29 - Jan 7 with 957 views | positivity |
| Hypothetical question on 17:08 - Jan 7 by solemio |
I know you're not serious because only an idiot would suggest this seriously.
Oh... |
the clue's in the exclamation mark, channeling ted lasso! | |
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| Hypothetical question on 17:32 - Jan 7 with 931 views | iamatractorboy |
Teams playing in yellow shirts and green shirts automatically start a goal down.
In all seriousness, swearing at or abusing officials, automatic red card and 5 match ban. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:37 - Jan 7 with 913 views | MattinLondon |
| Hypothetical question on 17:29 - Jan 7 by ibbleobble |
A foul isn’t cheating. Simulating a foul is. |
Deliberately fouling someone is a form of cheating. Striker controls the ball - defender thinks to himself ‘I’m going to let him know I’m here’ and crunches into him. That’s cheating. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:41 - Jan 7 with 902 views | ibbleobble |
| Hypothetical question on 17:37 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
Deliberately fouling someone is a form of cheating. Striker controls the ball - defender thinks to himself ‘I’m going to let him know I’m here’ and crunches into him. That’s cheating. |
The example you’ve just described happens in every game of football. Deliberate fouling is within the laws of the game. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:44 - Jan 7 with 894 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical question on 17:37 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
Deliberately fouling someone is a form of cheating. Striker controls the ball - defender thinks to himself ‘I’m going to let him know I’m here’ and crunches into him. That’s cheating. |
And it's behaviour of this nature which generally doesn't go on in other sports such as rugby or hockey. [Post edited 7 Jan 2023 17:45]
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| Hypothetical question on 17:49 - Jan 7 with 886 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical question on 14:51 - Jan 7 by MattinLondon |
What’s wrong with a player going up to the ref and asking for clarification of a decision? Obviously as long as it’s polite. |
Here I think football could follow the example of rugby where only the captain can speak to the ref.
Having played both games, I find much preferable the greater respect for the ref, and general lack of cheating.
And a free-kick advancing 10 yards for dissent would also be good. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:52 - Jan 7 with 883 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical question on 17:41 - Jan 7 by ibbleobble |
The example you’ve just described happens in every game of football. Deliberate fouling is within the laws of the game. |
It's covered by the laws of the game but not in my view within the spirit of the game. The fact that it goes on doesn't make it right, and it certainly is less of a feature of grass-roots football. And in the 30 odd years I played, I never deliberately fouled anyone. [Post edited 7 Jan 2023 17:59]
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| Hypothetical question on 17:52 - Jan 7 with 877 views | positivity |
| Hypothetical question on 17:44 - Jan 7 by DJR |
And it's behaviour of this nature which generally doesn't go on in other sports such as rugby or hockey. [Post edited 7 Jan 2023 17:45]
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spear tackling? eye-gouging? as for hockey, can only assume you don't mean ice hockey! | |
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| Hypothetical question on 17:55 - Jan 7 with 867 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical question on 17:52 - Jan 7 by positivity |
spear tackling? eye-gouging? as for hockey, can only assume you don't mean ice hockey! |
I didn't say it never goes on, and I meant field hockey, but in my view, having played both rugby and football, I much prefer the rugby ethos, including the behaviour of its fans. The same is true of cricket. | | | |
| Hypothetical question on 17:58 - Jan 7 with 855 views | ibbleobble |
| Hypothetical question on 17:52 - Jan 7 by DJR |
It's covered by the laws of the game but not in my view within the spirit of the game. The fact that it goes on doesn't make it right, and it certainly is less of a feature of grass-roots football. And in the 30 odd years I played, I never deliberately fouled anyone. [Post edited 7 Jan 2023 17:59]
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Deliberate fouling isn’t a feature of grass roots football??? It’s time for me to bow out of this conversation. | | | |
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